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General Election and Government Formation Megathread (see post #1)

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  • #1022
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Sam Hain wrote: »
    You must obviously hail from some horrendously backward uncouth area of the country.

    It is FF area but it is not an area where issues around social welfare, anti social behaviour and similar would be top priority. Issues facing small businesses, taxes, some farming issues would be a lot more prevalent.

    You might call area backward and uncouth we might call it area with good school, lovely to live in without major social issues. Frankly the type of voters SF appeals to don't live here and they know that so they never canvass here. (Bursting to flames was a joke describing fairy pointless activity of chasing SF votes in area I live).


  • #1023
    Cakes and Ale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭Cakes and Ale


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Reada Cronin in my area, I know little to nothing about her, but highly doubt she'll get in.

    It will be a tough battle for a four seat constituency , but I think it will be the following.

    Catherine Murphy (probably top the poll) SD
    James Lawless(FF)
    Frank O'Rourke (FF)
    Bernard Durkin or Anthony Lawlor (FG)

    She hasn't a hope given she lost her councillor seat the last time. She is Maynooth-based yet I don't recall seeing any posters for her or leaflets through the door.


  • #1024
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,589 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    road_high wrote: »
    What difference if she’s on it? SF talk about a “new ireland” but complain about a unionist politician going on a light entertainment programme in Dublin. Their United ireland dream is a long way off if that’s where they’re at

    The worry is fairly easy to see. It's the middle of an election campaign. Will Tubridy challenge her if she launches into a criticism of SF.

    What other politician would be allowed do it?


  • #1025
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    meeeeh wrote: »
    It is FF area but it is not an area where issues around social welfare, anti social behaviour and similar would be top priority. Issues facing small businesses, taxes, some farming issues would be a lot more prevalent.

    You might call area backward and uncouth we might call it area with good school, lovely to live in without major social issues. Frankly the type of voters SF appeals to don't live here and they know that so they never canvass here. (Bursting to flames was a joke describing fairy pointless activity of chasing SF votes in area I live).

    What "type of voter" do Sinn Fein appeal to.


  • #1026
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    030802 wrote: »
    Simon achieved sweet fcuk all in Brexit.

    Really? FG have been poor on many fronts, but Coveney on Brexit...

    Correct. It would have happened the way it did without him. He had no influence on proceedings and just kept making the same speeches every few weeks. Brexit is such a non issue for voters anyway.


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  • #1027
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    meeeeh wrote: »
    It is FF area but it is not an area where issues around social welfare, anti social behaviour and similar would be top priority. Issues facing small businesses, taxes, some farming issues would be a lot more prevalent.

    You might call area backward and uncouth we might call it area with good school, lovely to live in without major social issues. Frankly the type of voters SF appeals to don't live here and they know that so they never canvass here. (Bursting to flames was a joke describing fairy pointless activity of chasing SF votes in area I live).

    This is the most deluded comment ive ever read lol sinn fein are massive up here we dont have many bad social issues or high unemployement rates the people here remember what fianna fail made us go threw and then fine gael the party that made dublin grow but the rest of the country stagnate along with a host of other issues its people like you that this country has voted only 2 partys into power in the last 100years, sinn fein are supporting farmers and the working class more than them 2 other partys who has been favouring the elite since the crash


  • #1028
    Nitrogan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭Nitrogan


    There's not much appetite to turn Ireland into Venezuela around here thankfully.


  • #1029
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    joe40 wrote: »
    What "type of voter" do Sinn Fein appeal to.

    It's no secret SF do better with younger, more urban, lower income voters (and I presume border areas). Neither applies to where I live.


  • #1030
    horsebox1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭horsebox1977


    wmahcm wrote: »
    Well for one SF/IRA quite happily blew up women and kids out shopping, and still try to defend provo murderers and pedophiles.

    Sorry but that is such a childish and pathetic answer.

    Why don't you answer the question I put to you?


  • #1031
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    All SF need to lead o government is enough TDs in the Dail to vote for or not vote against Mary Lou for a Taoiseach. FG are currently leading a government with less than 50. FF could conceivably have done a deal with SF and led a government with 44.
    They can't do it unless they get more than one of the other two. Labour wouldn't vote for her, Greens are doubtful so it's down to that block on the left. It would lead to a very unstable government with neither of the big two supporting them in any way. It is still looking like it may be FF with FG as "mudguard". FF will not do a deal with them as they inhabit that same "republican" sphere.


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  • #1032
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    Nitrogan wrote: »
    There's not much appetite to turn Ireland into Venezuela around here thankfully.

    But youll be happy, to keep raising taxes, high waiting lists for anything medical old women and children dying on hospital corridors, young couples who will never be able to afford a morgage, the local farmer who cant even make a decent wage, or what about the migrants the numbers of them has risen very sharply is the last 5 years you must want to work till youre 70 and not be able to get youre pension at 67, sinn fein isnt communism. Sinn fein is the future of our country


  • #1033
    wmahcm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 75 ✭✭wmahcm


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    I note that Arlene Foster is appearing on The Late Late this Friday. Sinn Fein people irate about it.

    I would have thought this would do favours for Sinn Fein as she is so unpopular here.

    Ostracising DUP voters and the Unionist community in the six counties . . isn't going to deliver a united Ireland. Martin and Gerry knew this.


  • #1034
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    wmahcm wrote: »
    Well for one SF/IRA quite happily blew up women and kids out shopping, and still try to defend provo murderers and pedophiles.

    Is it any different to what Collins amd Dev done?


  • #1035
    I Am The Law
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭I Am The Law


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Correct. It would have happened the way it did without him. He had no influence on proceedings and just kept making the same speeches every few weeks. Brexit is such a non issue for voters anyway.

    Absolutely correct, we have to stop pretending that Ireland matters on the international stage, concentrate on the national everyday issues that matter to its long suffering, law abiding, tax paying citizens.


  • #1036
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Jin luk wrote: »
    This is the most deluded comment ive ever read lol sinn fein are massive up here we dont have many bad social issues or high unemployement rates the people here remember what fianna fail made us go threw and then fine gael the party that made dublin grow but the rest of the country stagnate along with a host of other issues its people like you that this country has voted only 2 partys into power in the last 100years, sinn fein are supporting farmers and the working class more than them 2 other partys who has been favouring the elite since the crash
    The question was what chance SF have? Judging by the demographic very little although the constituency will probably return one SF TD (one less than the two constituencies had before they were redrawn). It's not a question about what one or the other party is or isn't but what chances partys have.


  • #1037
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    smelly sock wrote: »
    Is it any different to what Collins amd Dev done?

    These people forgot about the atrocities on boths sides what about the times armed unionist menmarched into pubs while the republic of ireland was playing football on the tv and slaughtered innocent men, and dont let them remember the innocent children who were shot and killed and tortured at times too by her "majestys" forces


  • #1038
    Paulzx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Paulzx


    Jin luk wrote: »
    Sinn fein is the future of our country


    It is in its hole!!!!!!!!!


  • #1039
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    meeeeh wrote: »
    The question was what chance SF have? Judging by the demographic very little although the constituency will probably return one SF TD (one less than the two constituencies had before they were redrawn). It's not a question about what one or the other party is or isn't but what chances partys have.
    I started the thread and yes it is about how big they are not what voters appeal to them or past events that is absolutley irrellevent


  • #1040
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    The attitudes towards SF are interesting - they are beyond the pale (to borrow a phrase!) according to FF/FG and yet the best way to "domesticate" the supposedly dangerous republicans is to invite them into power. See how they deal with being part of the machine instead of having the luxury of protesting at same. It's not as if they are without some talent esp compared with the alternative front benches.

    That said I bet the current polling overestimates their likely TD tally considerably (then again in PR multi-seat system it's hard to know for sure)


  • #1041
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Banner2theend wrote: »
    much.

    You mention the possibility of FF/SF coalition. Posters that think that FG/SF could happen, sorry its complete fantasy talk. It won't happen and never will.

    With two weeks to go ahead on polling day, its very much all to play to for, with a second GE in 2020, the most likely option IMO.
    It depends how close the top two are. I agree on SF, they'll in opposition again as the big two will not even look at them. What is more likely in the case of a government breakdown is a rearrangement of the chairs as in 1994. Those who are seen to cause a new election could probably expect voters to reward them with fewer voters. 1% is enough to drop a lot of people outside the big two, out of contention.


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  • #1042
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,659 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Posts deleted. Please read the charter before posting again and refrain from insults.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #1043
    wmahcm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 75 ✭✭wmahcm


    smelly sock wrote: »
    Is it any different to what Collins amd Dev done?

    I don't recall them blowing up sizable numbers of women and kids out shopping, or defending pedophiles in the IRA.


  • #1044
    woohoo!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 803 ✭✭✭woohoo!!!


    Very hard to call the last 2 seats in Wexford. SF had a very poor local elections dropping from 5 councillors to 2, including the SF candidate. By all accounts a decent lad but I don't think Johnny Mythen is that well known. Nearly unseated Paul Kehoe in the last GE and with Wallace out, there's a chance. I think they'll edge a seat but as I said, impossible to call.


  • #1045
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    wmahcm wrote: »
    I don't recall them blowing up sizable numbers of women and kids out shopping, or defending pedophiles in the IRA.

    No just the catholic church.


  • #1046
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    All SF need to lead o government is enough TDs in the Dail to vote for or not vote against Mary Lou for a Taoiseach. FG are currently leading a government with less than 50. FF could conceivably have done a deal with SF and led a government with 44.


    If FF had done a deal with SF in 2016 they would still have been 13 short.

    With Labour not interested in going into government then that would have meant 13 Independents. It would not have lasted a week.


    SF are only running 42 candidates.
    Even if they all win a seat it is highly unlikely that they would be the largest party, so the only way possible for Mary Lou to become Taoiseach is SF winning more seats than one of either FF or FG and forming a coalition.

    Other than that there is no way the numbers would add up for Mary Lou to become Taoiseach.


  • #1047
    wmahcm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 75 ✭✭wmahcm


    horsebox1977 wrote: »
    Sorry but that is such a childish and pathetic answer.

    Why don't you answer the question I put to you?

    I did answer it. Defending and glorifying the murder of women and kids is the very definition of gangsterism.

    Must be a real bummer for SFers that they can't threaten and kneecap people as easily as they could in the past for speaking out against them.


  • #1048
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Jin luk wrote: »
    I started the thread and yes it is about how big they are not what voters appeal to them or past events that is absolutley irrellevent

    Well they are not big in the area where I am. There are no SF coco members either. It's ridiculous to think that the type of a voter doesn't matter, FG and Greens will do better with well to do crowd. FF will do well with rural middle income voters and especially pensioners and so on. It's naive to think you can target all and none and win.


  • #1049
    Nitrogan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭Nitrogan


    Jin luk wrote: »
    But youll be happy, to keep raising taxes, high waiting lists for anything medical old women and children dying on hospital corridors, young couples who will never be able to afford a morgage, the local farmer who cant even make a decent wage, or what about the migrants the numbers of them has risen very sharply is the last 5 years you must want to work till youre 70 and not be able to get youre pension at 67, sinn fein isnt communism. Sinn fein is the future of our country


    The poorest people in Ireland are some of wealthiest people who have ever lived. Irish people have a far better quality of life than we should. We're heavily subsidised by corporation taxes we're not really entitled to and won't be getting for much longer.


    That's when the **** really will hit the fan. What's SF's plan? Spend even more money we don't have on welfare so generations of families can continue living on handouts from the state but still afford a couple of foreign holidays every year.


    People think the global financial crash was bad that was nothing compared to the destruction SF could wreak on the country. At least Venezuela has oil reserves. :rolleyes:


  • #1050
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    charlie14 wrote: »
    If FF had done a deal with SF in 2016 they would still have been 13 short.

    With Labour not interested in going into government then that would have meant 13 Independents. It would not have lasted a week.


    SF are only running 42 candidates.
    Even if they all win a seat it is highly unlikely that they would be the largest party, so the only way possible for Mary Lou to become Taoiseach is SF winning more seats than one of either FF or FG and forming a coalition.

    Other than that there is no way the numbers would add up for Mary Lou to become Taoiseach.
    Their likely support is still mid-teens so 42 is about the right number to run. At that level their current 23 seats is a target but very much down to local vagaries.


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  • #1051
    iCareNotOneJot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27 ✭iCareNotOneJot


    While the answer could easily be ALL of them! , interested to know what your opinion is the number one issue for you ?


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