Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

pearcider wrote: »

You’re the one refusing to see the facts and pretending the two boys were not in fact sadists who had entered a pledge with Satan.

Its like the 1980s all over again.

Sardonicat wrote: »

Sadism is linked to the occult!?

So anyone who fancies a couple of strokes across the backside with the back of a hairbrush is a devil worshipper now?

apaprently so.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Its like the 1980s all over again.

So you have no argument except dumb comments. It’s the 80s alright and I’m in primary school in here.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

my argument is pretty simple. this "satanic pledge" is nonsense and irrelevant to the murder committed. they didnt kill any to please satanic. they did it because they are nasty ****s who thought they were smart enough to get away with it.

Eitherway - if by even the smallest chance the two convicted murderers were into satanism ie thought it was cool or whatever - they should now have first class tickets to meet the man himself - presuming there is eternal damnation and all that.

Personally I like to see them experience hell here first and locked up in solitary for the rest of their miserable lives. I don't say that lightly...

I don't know why people are reflexively dismissing the notion of an occult/satanic aspect to this crime.

In the seventies, a kid acting by himself, effectively crucified his younger next door neighbour in his attic in a ritualistic way and he showed interest in this stuff.

He is now, apparently, a member of the church in London. Bizarre but true.

These little assholes had a club FFS. So it isn't a stretch to think yes it may have influenced their thoughts. Ritual killing etc. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if this was the case.

Nothing mystical or magical.
Just two little ****heads justifying their urges with some occult stuff. Not beyond belief at all.

tuxy wrote: »

Not dismissing it, if it was not relevant the Garda would not have used important court time giving evidence on it.

Just saying that it is not something that is unusual for kids to be interested in.
Many of their hobbies and interests were not that usual and didn't stand out as such to others, which makes the case more shocking.

It's a bit like computer games, millions of kids playing the same game but one or two of them act it out in real life and do something horrific.

It is very unusual to be in a satanic club. It’s a long way from playing halo online.

tuxy wrote: »

But an interest in the occult is not all that unusual.
With this club, how many members were there and what exactly was expected of each member?

Taking a pledge to Satan and conducting a campaign of intimidation against a young girl culminating in her rape and murder is well beyond taking an interest in the occult. Yes some teenagers may mess around with a ouija board and listen to death metal but taking pledges to Satan is bizarre.

tuxy wrote: »

Yes but the vast majority that even go do that do not murder or rape.
What do you think was different about this school that they had enough students interested to make a club?

Is there anything to show that there was more than two, or possibly one, in this 'club'?

knucklehead6 wrote: »

Well there are the actual court reports and Garda reports where they interviewed the kids who signed up, but apart from all that information, no.

Link ?

tuxy wrote: »

Yes but the vast majority that even go do that do not murder or rape.
What do you think was different about this school that they had enough students interested to make a club?

That is a question that the media, the Gardaí and the court would not consider.

The Gardai probably felt they did not need to establish the boys’ motives. They had ample forensic evidence to convict boy A and Boy B convicted himself by his endless lying.

I wonder whether any teacher was aware of this Satanic homework club in their school?

mrjoneill wrote: »

I don't think this was ever a factor & in the actual assault there is absolutely no evidence that there was any satanic rituals carried out. I believe its all much simpler in Animal A is a blood thirsty sadistic killer while Animal B facilitated it to get his voyeuristic kick from it. I believe he may also maybe homoerotic turned on by Animal A. And of course both of them thought they were far too smarts for everyone & the could deflect away any suspicion with their smartness. This was exampled by Animal B attempt to manipulate the Gardai questioning him. They both did the crime, now let the little b@st@rds do the time, released preferable when they are suitable for zimmer frames. Vile scum.

A facile conclusion that explains nothing but raises a disturbing question: how many teenage would-be murderer/rapists are there in Ireland?

I believe they are extremely rare, fewer than 1 in a 100,000, and this terrible crime was unprecedented in Ireland. But then how would you explain that two of them were sitting together in the same class in a Community College in Leixlip? The odds would be in the trillions unless there was some motivating factor.

tuxy wrote: »

It's obvious from the fact that they were not the only members of the club that it was just one of those stupid clubs that some kind make. Only letting their friends in and excluding those that they do not consider cool enough.

They were not the only members, the others had nothing to do with the murder and there was no satanic element to the murder.

The Garda will investigate all likes of inquiry in a serious case such as this.

I had already said this but I think you missed it.

I saw your post but I disagree. This does not look like a random kids club, the Satanic element seems to have been central and its organisation was elaborate. And the Gardai did, in fact, investigate it seriously, as I showed earlier.

I am not suggesting that other members of the club were involved in this terrible crime but, like the investigating Gardai, I do think there is a linkage. At the very least, it brought these two boys together with an agenda that was, literally, Satanic. The rules of the club required pledges by its members. Was this rape/murder a satanic pledge?

You don’t have to believe in Satan to consider this possibility. What matters is that those boys believed. Note that the boys played down the significance of the club (and you believe them) but they never said they’d didn’t believe in Satan or that they were never his followers I.e. they never renounced Satan, even when facing the Gardai, the court and their families. Nor did they show Anna’s grieving parents any remorse, although they were very sorry they’d been caught.

These are uncomfortable facts in modern Ireland.