Ionity charging network

redcup342 · 10-01-2020 10:27AM

Old diesel wrote: »

I'd expect these Ionity Athlone type issues to be eliminated as the network 1 million EVs requires - gets developed.

A key part of developing the network in future is enduring maximum uptime for all chargers.

Making sure the machines are reliable and maintained.

Ensuring the local power infrastructure is solid.

I consider that perhaps battery storage will be a key part of ensuring power supply is enhanced.

Porsche I recall were talking of how when cars were not charging on 350 kw chargers - they would look at having battery storage being fed with power.

And when charging - that battery storage would support the delivery of 350 kw to the car.

What's puzzling about Ionity is that users like Bjorn Neyland seem to have superior or rather less crap reliability outside Ireland then Athlone does.

The install needs a look - so that lessons can be learned and future charging made better.

I've used Ionity in Belgium France and Germany and never had an issue with them, they are rock solid and about the only chargers I'd trust to roll in with less than 50km of range left.

I use a Plugsurfing card (costs like 60 cents more for a full charge on Ionity) but then I don't have to mess around with Ionitys app or whatever, just Tap the card and start.

In the Netherlands I haven't really bothered using them as the country is so small I only ever needed a topup and used Maingau with Fastned or Allego (plus the Dutchies are tight as hell and want to go and sit on the charger to 100% to get the maximum bang for their 8 euros)

McGiver · 15-01-2020 09:39PM

September1 wrote:

App is called Chargepoint and it also works well for Ionity - it costs 6.18 to charge using it. It is also vastly superior to Ionity app as it integrates with Google Pay to there is not need to type passwords or credit card numbers. Link to app

Has anyone tried this?

I can confirm Chargepoint show 6.18 for Ionity in their app. But I haven't physically tried it.

They're an American charging network aggregator sort of.

Black_Knight · 15-01-2020 10:24PM

McGiver wrote: »

Has anyone tried this?

I can confirm Chargepoint show 6.18 for Ionity in their app. But I haven't physically tried it.

They're an American charging network aggregator sort of.

Decent price compared to Maingau too.
Works out around 15kWh of power via Maingau @40c/kWh and nice high speeds of charge
Works out around 21kWh of power via ESB @29c/kWh maxed at 50kW/h
Works out around 18kWh of power via ESB @33c/kWh maxed at 50kW/h

Kramer · 16-01-2020 01:02AM

September1 wrote: »

App is called Chargepoint and it also works well for Ionity - it costs 6.18 to charge using it.

NewMotion app costs €7.60 as does the Shell Recharge app, both similar aggregators.
€6.18 plus vat @ 23% equals €7.60 so I reckon Chargepoint's app has either purposefully or accidently dropped the vat content.

September1 · 16-01-2020 07:50AM

McGiver wrote: »

Has anyone tried this?

I can confirm Chargepoint show 6.18 for Ionity in their app. But I haven't physically tried it.

They're an American charging network aggregator sort of.

Kramer wrote: »

NewMotion app costs €7.60 as does the Shell Recharge app, both similar aggregators.
€6.18 plus vat @ 23% equals €7.60 so I reckon Chargepoint's app has either purposefully or accidently dropped the vat content.

I have used it and charge is 6.18 in total.

McGiver · 16-01-2020 08:37AM

Kramer wrote:

NewMotion app costs â‚¬7.60 as does the Shell Recharge app, both similar aggregators. â‚¬6.18 plus vat @ 23% equals â‚¬7.60 so I reckon Chargepoint's app has either purposefully or accidently dropped the vat content.

Yep. My thinking it could be an error or as you say, because it's a US company.

McGiver · 16-01-2020 08:38AM

September1 wrote:

I have used it and charge is 6.18 in total.

Nice. So they forgot about VAT!

ELM327 · 16-01-2020 10:06AM

Signed up aswell, it displays 6.18, will be in Ionity on Sunday night so will test this!

Kramer · 16-01-2020 02:01PM

September1 wrote: »

I have used it and charge is 6.18 in total.

ELM327 wrote: »

Signed up aswell, it displays 6.18, will be in Ionity on Sunday night so will test this!

Tax dodgers

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Make hay while the sun shines!

ELM327 · 16-01-2020 04:21PM

Kramer wrote: »

Tax dodgers .

Make hay while the sun shines!

Absolutely.
If they don't take it from my salary directly, or at point of sale, I sure as hell ain't telling them about it

krissovo · 16-01-2020 06:25PM

Anyone see the new Ionity pricing structure? I just spat coffee out my mouth over my office desk so be-prepared..........

79c per/kwh from Jan 31st

https://www.electrive.com/2020/01/16/ionity-launches-new-pricing-structure-based-on-kwh/?fbclid=IwAR0HOlwjg3JQWh9pXEZrsHpoeJXVZUsbGLMbQP2ubYyda2e5ILqD41kBInI

Royale with Cheese · 16-01-2020 06:28PM

Time to delete the ionity app so.

September1 · 16-01-2020 06:32PM

krissovo wrote: »

79c per/kwh from Jan 31st

It is expensive for Ireland, where ESB with access to state help is using very low prices prices to prevent competition. However for example Fastned is charging 59c for very fast chargers which is not that far.

MJohnston · 16-01-2020 06:33PM

That’s insane. €33 or so to “fill” my i3. For the range, if I’m doing my sums right, that’s much more expensive than my previous petrol Clubman.

Round Cable · 16-01-2020 06:35PM

September1 wrote: »

It is expensive for Ireland, where ESB with access to state help is using very low prices prices to prevent competition. However for example Fastned is charging 59c for very fast chargers which is not that far.

That's the thing, those ultra fast chargers cost multiples of the 50kw units that the ESB use (plus greater grid connection costs), so the cost to use should be much more.

Lumen · 16-01-2020 06:39PM

I can't see them getting much business unless people start buying etrons.

A Kiundai won't charge much faster than 50kW for long anyway so why bother?

This is surely going to hurt i3 sales. And VW a partner!

unkel · 16-01-2020 06:40PM

I've no problem with 79c/kWh but you'd think they'd have their house in order first and made sure all charging is flawless.

Lumen · 16-01-2020 06:43PM

unkel wrote: »

I've no problem with 79c/kWh but you'd think they'd have their house in order first and made sure all charging is flawless.

It's insane. There's barely any tax and yet it's still more expensive than fossil juice.

unkel · 16-01-2020 06:54PM

Lumen wrote: »

It's insane. There's barely any tax and yet it's still more expensive than fossil juice.

It's roughly the same as fossil juice. For the 1% of your driving that you need an Ionity charge. The other 99% only costs a tenth of fossil juice, and completely free if you charge up from the sun

Lumen · 16-01-2020 07:15PM

unkel wrote: »

It's roughly the same as fossil juice. For the 1% of your driving that you need an Ionity charge. The other 99% only costs a tenth of fossil juice, and completely free if you charge up from the sun

It's not roughly the same.

My big diesel driven hard up to 130kph most of the time costs 9c/km.

Driven the same way I expect maybe 230Wh/km from my EV which is 18c/km.

liamog · 16-01-2020 07:33PM

Strikes me as a PFO price, Audi's charging service has Ionity at 33c/kWh. I think this is just the part where Ionity want you to use an external service instead of billing you directly. Will be interesting to see how the apps update their pricing.

charlieIRL · 16-01-2020 07:37PM

That is absolute bonkers in my opinion. What are they trying to do? Price themselves out of the market?

KCross · 16-01-2020 08:26PM

liamog wrote: »

Strikes me as a PFO price, Audi's charging service has Ionity at 33c/kWh. I think this is just the part where Ionity want you to use an external service instead of billing you directly. Will be interesting to see how the apps update their pricing.

+1

This is going to be their headline price but the manufacturers will get big discounts which will be used for marketing their EVs via their apps.

And by going high it gives lots of wriggle room for marketing.

A small bit like how electricity providers have their headline unit rates but everyone gets varying discounts from that rate.

graememk · 16-01-2020 08:53PM

What ev car makers haven't invested in ionity?

Tesla, Nissan?

I know Kia and Hyundai invested back in oct I think

JohnC. · 16-01-2020 09:04PM

PSA/FCA group missing too.

KCross · 16-01-2020 09:12PM

graememk wrote: »

What ev car makers haven't invested in ionity?

Tesla, Nissan?

I know Kia and Hyundai invested back in oct I think

Easier to say who is in than out....

BMW, Mercedes, VW, Audi, Porsche, Ford, Hyundai (and presumably by extension Kia).

I think that’s it so far but others will join I’d say.

If you think about it, there would be no point in joining the Ionity group if there wasn’t some benefit coming back via cheaper access for your customers.

Black_Knight · 16-01-2020 09:15PM

So... maingau card, right? Can just keep using that at 40c/kWh.

zg3409 · 16-01-2020 09:47PM

Tesla cars are (were) highest Ionity users

https://www.completecar.ie/car-news/article/9751/IONITY-confirms-new-charging-pricing-for-EVs?fbclid=IwAR1CIEZJCNIHDABywxwezNIQKoi9-W3ol6irp6DclsE-oKkwEHS1xdYh4xM

Sabre Man · 16-01-2020 09:58PM

zg3409 wrote: »

Tesla cars are (were) highest Ionity users

https://www.completecar.ie/car-news/article/9751/IONITY-confirms-new-charging-pricing-for-EVs?fbclid=IwAR1CIEZJCNIHDABywxwezNIQKoi9-W3ol6irp6DclsE-oKkwEHS1xdYh4xM

At least they can switch to superchargers instead, at €0.29 per kWh.

Black_Knight · 16-01-2020 10:13PM

Nice high bar for E-Cars to slip in under with their super fast charging stations... whenever they materialize.

Still though, for the odd time I would need it, EV is just a much cheaper and nicer drive than ICE

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