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gozunda · 15-01-2020 04:04PM

sbsquarepants wrote: »

You are embarrassing yourself at this stage!

Nah just you my friend. That's simply how the oil extraction process works. Actually the process is not very pretty and the most common process uses hexane as a solvent. Hexane is a refined hydrocarbon btw.

Extraction of soybean oil

First the soybeans are cut in flakes which are put in a percolation extractors and immerged with a solvent, normally hexane. Counterflow is used as extraction system because it gives the highest yield. After removing the hexane, the extracted flakes only contain about 1% of soybean oil and is used as livestock meal or to produce food products such as soy protein. The hexane is separated from the soybean oil in evaporators. The evaporated hexane is recovered and returned to the extraction process. The hexane free crude soybean oil is then further purified

At least the hexane gets recycled!

As for the cows #nocowsgetfedsoyhere

the beer revolu · 15-01-2020 04:07PM

This soya claim is a bit like claiming meat is a byproduct of the leather industry!

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 15-01-2020 04:08PM

Whatever they're paying you gozzy, you're working too hard for it.

Still working on the assumption you get paid for this, because the alternative is BLEAK, no matter how many of these

guys you pepper your posts with.

jimgoose · 15-01-2020 04:08PM

It seems to me these vegan threads benefit greatly from some sober discussion of how the matter affects breasts. Personally, I have a crackpot theory that vegan titties tend, in general, to be smaller and pointier, in the classic French style. That is all. :cool:

sbsquarepants · 15-01-2020 04:11PM

the beer revolu wrote: »

This soya claim is a bit like claiming meat is a byproduct of the leather industry!

After removal of the much sought after hide, some of the waste is used in a variety of products such as steaks and burgers:D

sbsquarepants · 15-01-2020 04:15PM

jimgoose wrote: »

It seems to me these vegan threads benefit greatly from some sober discussion of how the matter affects breasts. Personally, I have a crackpot theory that vegan titties tend, in general, to be smaller and pointier, in the classic French style. That is all. :cool:

Brexit will hit them hard i'd imagine, you won't get away with those in the UK anyway. Their loss:D

gozunda · 15-01-2020 04:15PM

Isaias Chubby Temper wrote: »

Whatever they're paying you gozzy, you're working too hard for it.

Still working on the assumption you get paid for this, because the alternative is BLEAK, no matter how many of these guys you pepper your posts with.

Nah just a little light contribution to the discussion electo~bitch. Nothing too taxing I hope for yourselves

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Btw whats vegan(?) breast implants? Are there ones made from animal stuff or something. Or maybe you are thinking of chicken breasts

Top secret there- chicken breasts are not really 'breasts' in that sense - if you know what I mean ...

jimgoose · 15-01-2020 04:16PM

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Brexit will hit them hard i'd imagine, you won't get away with those in the UK anyway. Their loss:D

Plenty huge tits in the UK, much like here.

the beer revolu · 15-01-2020 04:17PM

There was a doctor from the Royal college of surgeons on the radio advocating eating meat.

But then it turns out that she also works for an animal feed company!

gozunda · 15-01-2020 04:18PM

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Brexit will hit them hard i'd imagine, you won't get away with those in the UK anyway. Their loss:D

How will Brexit effect Breasts? Less soy maybe

Thelonious Monk · 15-01-2020 04:18PM

https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/farming/we-depend-two-times-more-on-imported-animal-feed-than-our-neighbours-832683.html

My favourite link to post but we currently import millions of tonnes of soy and maize to feed to animals. This is a thread on vegans so the point is we could use the land to grow food for humans instead of animals if we didnt eat or ate less meat, therefore requiring less land to be cleared of biodiversity.

Deebles McBeebles · 15-01-2020 04:19PM

gozunda wrote: »

How will Brexit effect Breasts? Less soy maybe

Boris Johnson has been soylent on the subject so far.

gozunda · 15-01-2020 04:24PM

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Boris Johnson has been soylent on the subject so far.

I bet he has after his sister exposed hers on SkyNews!

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/tv/boris-johnsons-sister-exposes-breasts-15834355

sbsquarepants · 15-01-2020 04:24PM

But annual imports of 3.47m tonnes (mt) of animal feed are also part of the picture. Ireland is especially dependent on feed imports because of our high proportion of livestock production compared to tillage area.

About two thirds of the animal feeds marketed here are imported, compared to 37% in the UK, 27% in France, and 26% in Germany.

The main commodities imported are maize and maize byproducts, soyabean meal and soya hulls, and rapeseed meal. Up to 90% of the soyabean and maize products are imported from Argentina, Brazil, and the USA.

Our pig, poultry, and dairy sectors are particularly dependent on imports of GM soybean and GM maize by-products. Almost 1.7mt of soya and maize genetically modified (GM) products were imported into Ireland for animal feeds in 2017, constituting approximately 50% of total feed imports.

You're quite fast and loose with the auld facts aren't you gozunda:D:D:D

Effects · 15-01-2020 04:27PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Almond farming is killing tens of billions of bees. Last year an estimated 50 billion bees died.

Beekeepers are killing those bees.

gozunda · 15-01-2020 04:31PM

quote="sbsquarepants;112260688"]You're quite fast and loose with the auld facts aren't you gozunda:D:D:D[/quote]

Well if you would like additional facts - that's no problem sbsquarepants. I can add more if you really like?

Ah I see where you went wrong there - you must have missed this ...

What is left over after processing for oil is called soy meal and husks of the soy. Due to the volume produced most of this stuff is sold to the the animal feed sector. And no that's just not cattle....

Ready for round 2?

:pac:

Note: That's a fairly poorly written article tbh. But it does at least acknowledge that growing growing arable crops is not suitable here. Funny thing some seems to love it. Ah well I suppose it's good to have an interest anyway

sbsquarepants · 15-01-2020 04:33PM

gozunda wrote: »

Well if you would like additional facts - that's no problem sbsquarepants. I can add more if you really like?

Easy enough done, when you just pluck them from the air i suppose!

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 15-01-2020 04:34PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/farming/we-depend-two-times-more-on-imported-animal-feed-than-our-neighbours-832683.html

My favourite link to post but we currently import millions of tonnes of soy and maize to feed to animals. This is a thread on vegans so the point is we could use the land to grow food for humans instead of animals if we didnt eat or ate less meat, therefore requiring less land to be cleared of biodiversity.

It's complicated, to be fair. A huge amount of meat raised here is exported at some point (and I'm not sure if it's been gone over in this thread, but people who wax lyrical about the cattle welfare standards in Ireland are usually deafeningly silent on the topic of live exports).

The majority of available land in Ireland is sh1te for tillage, climate plays a role too. Polytunnels and the like are probably the way forward but again, not simple or easy. Very possible unforeseen ecological consequences too, new herbicides and pesticides, different irrigation demands.

I'm not a farmer but I grew up in farming land, and I would like to see small, independent, hereditary farming survive as a way of life, both because of its cultural significance and because large conglomerate industry of any type is usually a recipe for community and environmental disaster.

You do sometimes get the sense in these discussions as well that people think switching from dairy or beef farming to tillage is like switching from the tills to stacking shelves, it ain't.

Cattle farmers in particular need to accept that demand for their product is falling and roll with the punches instead of trying to argue against the reasons for the fall.

And if people want to see more food grown here, demand more food grown here, often and loudly. It's much easier and cheaper to buy food grown overseas. Then again, ten even five years ago it was much easier and cheaper not to be vegan, demand grew, supply boomed.

gozunda · 15-01-2020 04:38PM

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Easy enough done, when you just pluck them from the air i suppose!

Now now no need to be all soy like that

You can look any of it up if you like. It will all check out. But no worries.

And funny thing is I'm not a fan of the stuff!

Panch18 · 15-01-2020 04:44PM

So let me get this straight

Vegans eat a diet which in general includes a lot of soya based products, such as soya milk, soya beans, tofu and many more

But they insist on blaming livestock farmers for the environmental impact of soya production when they consume large amount of it themselves

You couldn’t make it up!!

Thelonious Monk · 15-01-2020 04:47PM

Panch18 wrote: »

So let me get this straight

Vegans eat a diet which in general includes a lot of soya based products, such as soya milk, soya beans, tofu and many more

But they insist on blaming livestock farmers for the environmental impact of soya production when they consume large amount of it themselves

You couldn’t make it up!!

I would think that vegans account for a tiny tiny fraction of where soy ends up, not even 1% probably, but a certain someone will thank your post anyway.

Sardonicat · 15-01-2020 05:00PM

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Boris Johnson has been soylent on the subject so far.

Soylent Green is PEOPLE!

BorneTobyWilde · 15-01-2020 05:03PM

It's just a video with a label and then you believe what the label says.

Deebles McBeebles · 15-01-2020 05:18PM

Panch18 wrote: »

So let me get this straight

Vegans eat a diet which in general includes a lot of soya based products, such as soya milk, soya beans, tofu and many more

But they insist on blaming livestock farmers for the environmental impact of soya production when they consume large amount of it themselves

You couldn’t make it up!!

You just did, Panch!

Panch18 · 15-01-2020 05:32PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I would think that vegans account for a tiny tiny fraction of where soy ends up, not even 1% probably, but a certain someone will thank your post anyway.

Most soya is used for human consumption, the leftovers and waste from production is then used in animal feeds

So you story doesn’t stack up really.

Panch18 · 15-01-2020 05:33PM

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

You just did, Panch!

Ehhh???

Panch18 · 15-01-2020 05:37PM

And for the record I actually don’t think we should be importing as much soy byproducts as we do and should focus on home grown cereals for livestock

A couple of mills have already taken this on board and are now offering only home grown meal offerings

gozunda · 15-01-2020 05:38PM

Panch18 wrote: »

Ehhh???

I wouldnt take it to heart Panch - it's a tough crowd. I reckon jesus would even had a hard time. If some can't stick the proverbial fingers into where the nails were then it's not happening

Lalalala & etc

Panch18 · 15-01-2020 05:42PM

gozunda wrote: »

I wouldnt take it to heart Panch - it's a tough crowd. I reckon jesus would even had a hard time. If some can't stick the proverbial fingers into where the nails were then it's not happening

Lalalala & etc

I mean some of the stuff being spouted nowadays is pure **** talk of the highest order

And about something they seemingly know little or nothing about, doesn’t seem to stop them!!

gozunda · 15-01-2020 05:49PM

Panch18 wrote: »

And for the record I actually don’t think we should be importing as much soy byproducts as we do and should focus on home grown cereals for livestock

A couple of mills have already taken this on board and are now offering only home grown meal offerings

Yup for those areas which have suitable soils and ground conditions. Some farmers who are lucky enough to have those conditions already do.

I see they are even trialing soy - though tbh I'm not sure we have the temperatures (like a lot of crops unfortunately ) to make it a successful venture. Soil temperatures of 12c are not a usual feature in April and even beyond around here anyway. Average across the country is about 8.5c at that of the year if I remember correctly. The crop also requires a lot of fertiliser, herbicides, fungicides and pest management for a successful crop.

The crop is typically planted no earlier than April 25; it requires a minimum soil temperature of 12°C.
....
On index 3 soils David explained that the crop needs 26 units (per acre) of phosphorus (P), 50 units of potassium (K) and 12 units of sulphur (S)....

A pre-emergence herbicide is applied, while sclerotinia is the main disease threat. Pigeons have also taken to the crop and are the major pest.

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/soybean-production-could-soon-be-the-norm-in-ireland/

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