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Is this the end of Democrat front runner Joe Biden?

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    #422
    [Deleted User]
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    Are you saying Joe struck a deal with Iran to attack our embassy in order to save his failing candidacy and make Trump look bad by starting a war? That's conspiracy stuff.

    no. you need to read my original post again. I've included a link in my op on the previous page. :)


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    #423
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    So far Biden still seems to be the Democrat frontrunner. Apparently we overestimate the intelligence of Democrat voters.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #424
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    notobtuse wrote: »
    So far Biden still seems to be the Democrat frontrunner. Apparently we overestimate the intelligence of Democrat voters.

    Sanders will never get the backing of the DNC because he scares the **** out of Wall Street.

    Most middle class American "liberals" will not vote for Sanders because they won't want to pay increased taxes.


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    #425
    ILoveYourVibes
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    I don't think you can predict the Dem candidate. Not yet.


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    #426
    notobtuse
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    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    Sanders will never get the backing of the DNC because he scares the **** out of Wall Street.

    Most middle class American "liberals" will not vote for Sanders because they won't want to pay increased taxes.
    Warren and Sanders scare establishment Democrats because they realize that most of the nation remains firmly anti-socialist. Unfortunately, the Democrats don't have a viable moderate candidate, which is needed for the general election, other than Biden.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #427
    James Brown
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    So far Biden still seems to be the Democrat frontrunner. Apparently we overestimate the intelligence of Democrat voters.

    You're familiar with Trump right?


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    #428
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Joe Biden’s chances are getting better. Another democratic contender bites the dust. Marianne Williamson has ended her presidential campaign. Democrat candidates are dropping faster than checks issued to Hunter Biden from Burisma. I’ll miss Marianne crossing the debate stage waving a smoking bundle of sage and saving the world with love.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #429
    Robbusquets
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    Biden and Warren are splitting the progressive vote. If Warren drops out I can't see Bernie losing the nomination to Joe


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    #430
    notobtuse
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    Robbusquets wrote: »
    Biden and Warren are splitting the progressive vote. If Warren drops out I can't see Bernie losing the nomination to Joe
    I don’t think any of the three will drop out and it will go to a brokered convention with superdelegates giving the nomination to Hillary Clinton.

    And damn... with Marianne Williamson dropping out the Dark Energy have won again. :)

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #431
    James Brown
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    China Grants Trump Family 18 New Trademarks, Including Voting Machines

    Hunter who? ;)


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    #432
    notobtuse
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Hunter who? ;)
    You know... the kid who helped Joe Biden put the vice in Vice President.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #433
    James Brown
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    You know... the kid who helped Joe Biden put the vice in Vice President.

    No evidence of any wrong doing verses the Trump's filling their pockets while the Don is POTUS. And from China ffs...
    You cool with this I assume? I'd be amused by any hypocrisy you might have to offer.


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    #434
    Satturnfalls
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    Theres something about Biden that isnt likeable imho. If they want to beat trump they should have some other candidate


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    #435
    notobtuse
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    No evidence of any wrong doing verses the Trump's filling their pockets while the Don is POTUS. And from China ffs...
    You cool with this I assume? I'd be amused by any hypocrisy you might have to offer.
    Did the Orange Man Bad use any illegal pressure from the power of his elected office on China to do anything nefarious for his family?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #436
    James Brown
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    Did the Orange Man Bad use any illegal pressure from the power of his elected office on China to do anything nefarious for his family?

    As with Biden, we do not know but based on Trump's actions with Ukraine, I'd say likely.
    So politicians family making money and doing deals because of their elected relatives position is okay now? Don't dodge now. Do you see a conflict of interest in regard to US/China trade? Do you think this is a good sign Trump will put the tax payer first or the little Trumps?

    'Orange man bad'? is this more brain dead Alt-Right sh*te?
    If Trump makes an ass of himself and the US, no school yard level sarcasm could or should make people shy about pointing it out.
    I can think of more appropriate names for him if you want to go there ;)


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    #437
    notobtuse
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    As with Biden, we do not know but based on Trump's actions with Ukraine, I'd say likely.
    So politicians family making money and doing deals because of their elected relatives position is okay now? Don't dodge now. Do you see a conflict of interest in regard to US/China trade? Do you think this is a good sign Trump will put the tax payer first or the little Trumps?

    'Orange man bad'? is this more brain dead Alt-Right sh*te?
    If Trump makes an ass of himself and the US, no school yard level sarcasm could or should make people shy about pointing it out.
    I can think of more appropriate names for him if you want to go there ;)
    Ah yes, more proof on the Biden's legal and socially acceptable corruption because they have a ‘D’ behind their name.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #438
    James Brown
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    Ah yes, more proof on the Biden's legal and socially acceptable corruption because they have a ‘D’ behind their name.

    So just avoid the issue? Not very genuine. How are people supposed to take you as credible?
    You called out Biden, now put that same alleged standard to the current POTUS?


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    #439
    notobtuse
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    Spartacus has left the building. Booker has dropped out of the race.

    Apparently more Democrats are realizing they have no chance and figure they’ve stayed in the race long enough to get some cushy White House appointment if a Democrat happens to become President. Joementum continues to rise as a result of the culling and now he’s the front runner in the early primary states of Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, and South Carolina.

    If Biden gets the Democratic nomination I think he will be trounced in the debates with Trump, who will go for the jugular. The softball interviews by the democrat’s handmaidens in the media are doing him no favors.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #440
    Igotadose
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    If Biden gets the nomination, I think he'll so obliterate Trump in the debates it'll be a subject of memes for years. Trump lost all the debates to HRC, and since then, hasn't improved his ability to speak in public in any forum. The guy is a laughable public speaker who snorts and can't pronounce simple English words. Perhaps not as entertaining as Harris would have been destroying Trump, but I expect anyone that can stand upright can defeat Trump in a debate. Bring 'em on.


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    #441
    notobtuse
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    As with Biden, we do not know but based on Trump's actions with Ukraine, I'd say likely.
    So politicians family making money and doing deals because of their elected relatives position is okay now? Don't dodge now. Do you see a conflict of interest in regard to US/China trade? Do you think this is a good sign Trump will put the tax payer first or the little Trumps?

    'Orange man bad'? is this more brain dead Alt-Right sh*te?
    If Trump makes an ass of himself and the US, no school yard level sarcasm could or should make people shy about pointing it out.
    I can think of more appropriate names for him if you want to go there ;)
    Dodge? Biden’s actions are far more serious regarding Ukraine than anything Trump has done. If Biden becomes president the GOP has more on him (with using the ‘vice’ part of Vice President, literally) to impeach him on day one, than all the Democrat’s years of trumped up charges in the witch-hunt against Trump.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #442
    notobtuse
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    Igotadose wrote: »
    If Biden gets the nomination, I think he'll so obliterate Trump in the debates it'll be a subject of memes for years. Trump lost all the debates to HRC, and since then, hasn't improved his ability to speak in public in any forum. The guy is a laughable public speaker who snorts and can't pronounce simple English words. Perhaps not as entertaining as Harris would have been destroying Trump, but I expect anyone that can stand upright can defeat Trump in a debate. Bring 'em on.
    Keep thinking that way. I guess you haven't heard Biden speak much. Have you ever heard him answer a question in the last year without going on tangents and off the subject? I'll grab the popcorn.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #443
    James Brown
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    Dodge? Biden’s actions are far more serious regarding Ukraine than anything Trump has done. If Biden becomes president the GOP has more on him (with using the ‘vice’ part of Vice President, literally) to impeach him on day one, than all the Democrat’s years of trumped up charges in the witch-hunt against Trump.

    Yes dodge. You are dodging and not responding to the questions.
    You've zero credibility. You're just out for the Bidens and will give Trump a pass every time. How unpatriotic. What about the American people? They deserve better.
    So politicians family making money and doing deals because of their elected relatives position is okay now? Don't dodge now. Do you see a conflict of interest in regard to US/China trade? Do you think this is a good sign Trump will put the tax payer first or the little Trumps?


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    #444
    briany
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    Igotadose wrote: »
    If Biden gets the nomination, I think he'll so obliterate Trump in the debates it'll be a subject of memes for years. Trump lost all the debates to HRC, and since then, hasn't improved his ability to speak in public in any forum. The guy is a laughable public speaker who snorts and can't pronounce simple English words. Perhaps not as entertaining as Harris would have been destroying Trump, but I expect anyone that can stand upright can defeat Trump in a debate. Bring 'em on.

    If you were to score debates on the statement of facts and logic, then a child of 10 could take Trump, but that's not how this works. Hillary came across as smug during her debates with Trump but maybe anyone would if they thought they had the presidency in the bag, as she appeared to. To add to that, Hillary had no message, apart from a general pledge of more of the same, but as we saw, huge swathes of the American public rejected this notion to the extent that they were even prepared to support Trump as he essentially stated "I know you are, but what am I?" throughout the debates. So the question is not who could beat Trump in a debate (by traditional metrics), but what the American public is willing to accept.


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    #445
    James Brown
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    briany wrote: »
    If you were to score debates on the statement of facts and logic, then a child of 10 could take Trump, but that's not how this works. Hillary came across as smug during her debates with Trump but maybe anyone would if they thought they had the presidency in the bag, as she appeared to. To add to that, Hillary had no message, apart from a general pledge of more of the same, but as we saw, huge swathes of the American public rejected this notion to the extent that they were even prepared to support Trump as he essentially stated "I know you are, but what am I?" throughout the debates. So the question is not who could beat Trump in a debate (by traditional metrics), but what the American public is willing to accept.

    But the public voted Hilary in.


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    #446
    Boggles
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    The debates will be heavily moderated by the network anchors, Trump will destroy himself.


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    Igotadose
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    Boggles wrote: »
    The debates will be heavily moderated by the network anchors, Trump will destroy himself.

    Trump's hinted at least once he didn't want to participate in debates. That might happen. He's started the lie machine about the debate commission already: https://deadline.com/2019/12/donald-trump-debate-2020-1202810190/


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    #448
    Boggles
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    Igotadose wrote: »
    Trump's hinted at least once he didn't want to participate in debates. That might happen. He's started the lie machine about the debate commission already: https://deadline.com/2019/12/donald-trump-debate-2020-1202810190/

    It wouldn't surprise me. He has retreated firmly back into the echo chamber that is twitter and shouting lies at simpletons at his rallies.

    300+ days since the last White House briefing is pretty blatant.


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    #449
    Igotadose
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    Boggles wrote: »
    It wouldn't surprise me. He has retreated firmly back into the echo chamber that is twitter and shouting lies at simpletons at his rallies.

    300+ days since the last White House briefing is pretty blatant.

    Yeah, it's a joke Stephanie Grisham claims to be press secretary without ever having run a press conference. Heck, I'm as much of a press secretary as she is.


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    #450
    notobtuse
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Yes dodge. You are dodging and not responding to the questions.
    You've zero credibility. You're just out for the Bidens and will give Trump a pass every time. How unpatriotic. What about the American people? They deserve better.
    The American people got better than what they had when they elected Trump president in 2016.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #451
    notobtuse
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    But the public voted Hilary in.
    No they didn't vote her in. She did get the majority votes, though, which was absolutely meaningless.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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