Strict schools

mr_fegelien · 11-01-2020 09:43PM #1

What is the point in them? I mean discipline is important but excessive rules like no going to the bathroom, no eating in class, no using phone. When you're in college, none of these apply. Even in the workplace, you don't deal with as much bull**** as you did in some secondary schools.

Why have strict rules only to go to college and workplace where you won't see them implemented?

diusmr8a504cvk · 11-01-2020 09:44PM

mr_fegelien wrote: »

What is the point in them? I mean discipline is important but excessive rules like no going to the bathroom, no eating in class, no using phone. When you're in college, none of these apply. Even in the workplace, you don't deal with as much bull**** as you did in some secondary schools.

Why have strict rules only to go to college and workplace where you won't see them implemented?

If you don't have those rules you have chaos.

ILoveYourVibes · 11-01-2020 09:45PM

Its social conditioning to modify child behavior into a generally compliant personalty type.

endacl · 11-01-2020 09:46PM

Why are grownups with jobs allowed to get the bus home by themselves, but 4 year olds starting school have to be collected?

Bullocks · 11-01-2020 09:46PM

mr_fegelien wrote: »

What is the point in them? I mean discipline is important but excessive rules like no going to the bathroom, no eating in class, no using phone. When you're in college, none of these apply. Even in the workplace, you don't deal with as much bull**** as you did in some secondary schools.

Why have strict rules only to go to college and workplace where you won't see them implemented?

Eating and using the phone in class should definitely not be allowed, I'd nearly say the same for a workplace. That's what lunch breaks are for.

endacl · 11-01-2020 09:48PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Its social conditioning to modify child behavior into a generally compliant personalty type.

Me hole. It’s so work can be covered without wasting time explaining all the ‘why nots’ to know nothings.

hynesie08 · 11-01-2020 09:48PM

Kids are idiots, kids with rules are still idiots, kids with no rules would be a level of idiot I can't even comprehend......

Beeping Kitchen Appliances · 11-01-2020 09:48PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Its social conditioning to modify child behavior into a generally compliant personalty type.

That's one school of thought.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 11-01-2020 10:01PM

mr_fegelien wrote: »

What is the point in them? I mean discipline is important but excessive rules like no going to the bathroom, no eating in class, no using phone. When you're in college, none of these apply. Even in the workplace, you don't deal with as much bull**** as you did in some secondary schools.

Why have strict rules only to go to college and workplace where you won't see them implemented?

Kids need rules or a school wouldn't function. What do you want: The teacher to repeat everything all day as you come back from a quick joint or can of lager?

And, how in hell do you know the restrictions and rules that apply in the workplace when you've never worked? Try constantly nipping out to the toilet or for a cigarette, or spending too long on your mobile while working in many call centres.

Most adults have learned the accepted norms and apply them to their work situations. But, such norms have to be taught to children.

11-01-2020 10:05PM

I went to a strict school. It instilled self control and an appreciation for and of contextually appropriate behaviour, important skills in adult life.

ILoveYourVibes · 11-01-2020 10:05PM

endacl wrote: »

Me hole. It’s so work can be covered without wasting time explaining all the ‘why nots’ to know nothings.

No really it is.

Not in this big sinister way.

Children sometimes have difficulty controlling their behaviors. And in a school they have to be supervised in groups larger than a mother would have to watch over.

You need a certain amounts of self regulation amongst children for that.

Certain things like uniforms and asking for permission to speak do actually help with that.

It has advantages and disadvantages though.

Also its not a good idea for adults. They should be able to modify their behavior alone.

The exception is the army really.

mr_fegelien · 11-01-2020 10:08PM

Enzo Nutritious Rakish wrote: »

And, how in hell do you know the restrictions and rules that apply in the workplace when you've never worked? Try constantly nipping out to the toilet or for a cigarette, or spending too long on your mobile while working in many call centres.

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I know because my friend works and it's pretty chill for him. His missed days and never been reprimanded. Also where he works in Dunnes Stores, people are constantly on their phones.

andekwarhola · 11-01-2020 10:09PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Its social conditioning to modify child behavior into a generally compliant personalty type.

Lol

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 11-01-2020 10:10PM

mr_fegelien wrote: »

I know because my friend works and it's pretty chill for him. His missed days and never been reprimanded. Also where he works in Dunnes Stores, people are constantly on their phones.

😂😂

I thought you meant a real job.

And, you ignored the rest of the post - as it doesn't suit you.

ILoveYourVibes · 11-01-2020 10:11PM

endacl wrote: »

Me hole. It’s so work can be covered without wasting time explaining all the ‘why nots’ to know nothings.

You just said its to stop children questioning things.

Ted_YNWA · 11-01-2020 10:13PM

Are you getting in trouble in school OP?

lay off the boards & learn is what school is for.

Strumms · 11-01-2020 10:14PM

For the 40 minutes or whatever the class is going on, there should be nothing happening that can distract a student or indeed teacher... this includes...

ALL phones must be switched off, not silent, OFF

eating should be prohibited... you can’t eat as if you are rummaging for a sandwich/crisps in a bag it’s distracting to you, your fellow students and teacher as can be the act of eating...

I don’t think it’s social conditioning, a class should be a sterile atmosphere almost... discipline to a degree anyway is to enable each and every student a fair chance to learn, the teacher a fair chance to enable their learning in a comfortable and positive yet disciplined atmosphere.

freshpopcorn · 11-01-2020 10:18PM

School rules are important for you later in life.
They teach you how to be deceptive when you reach the work place.

ILoveYourVibes · 11-01-2020 10:22PM

Strumms wrote: »

ALL phones must be switched off, not silent, OFF

Lol, today teachers will ask students to go to a site and start reading from it. Or to take a picture with their phones.

In college i got told off for forgetting my phone.

ILoveYourVibes · 11-01-2020 10:23PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

School rules are important for you later in life.
They teach you how to be deceptive when you reach the work place.

So true.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 11-01-2020 10:24PM

"Your school uniform has a tie so you'll get used to wearing one before you're in the workplace."

I'd say most of my classmates have barely worn a tie since.

corner of hells · 11-01-2020 10:30PM

Mr_fegelien and Vibes in the same thread ?

Now theres something.

freshpopcorn · 11-01-2020 10:39PM

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

"Your school uniform has a tie so you'll get used to wearing one before you're in the workplace."

I'd say most of my classmates have barely worn a tie since.

I find it very hard to wear black shoes because of my school days!

andekwarhola · 11-01-2020 10:45PM

I'm still seeing a psychiatrist about the arrant assault on my individuality 30 years ago re: being expected to be in time for school; wearing a uniform and not being allowed to walk out of class whenever I wanted.

sullivlo · 11-01-2020 10:51PM

As a teacher who has worked in “strict” and “relaxed” schools, give me discipline any day. It instils a working mindset within the students and better prepares them for the real world. Some day you will get there OP.

ILoveYourVibes · 11-01-2020 10:55PM

corner of hells wrote: »

Mr_fegelien and Vibes in the same thread ?

Now theres something.

Stop looking for my attention.

baron von something · 11-01-2020 11:03PM

Enzo Nutritious Rakish wrote: »

😂😂

I thought you meant a real job.

And, you ignored the rest of the post - as it doesn't suit you.

Are retail jobs not 'real jobs'?

ILoveYourVibes · 11-01-2020 11:04PM

We must compile a database of how to circumvent the rules of the workplace and schools for future generations.

mr_fegelien · 11-01-2020 11:14PM

sullivlo wrote: »

As a teacher who has worked in “strict” and “relaxed” schools, give me discipline any day. It instils a working mindset within the students and better prepares them for the real world. Some day you will get there OP.

Actually I went to Oatlands a, school that is notoriously strict and they had the notorious Facebook scandal back in 2012. Being too strict can lead kids to do **** things.

Strumms · 11-01-2020 11:21PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Lol, today teachers will ask students to go to a site and start reading from it. Or to take a picture with their phones.

In college i got told off for forgetting my phone.

A tablet, I’d certainly get.... who the hell is going to be reading class stuff from a mobile phone though. Any teacher / lecturer who asks a class to be doing that...jeeez.

ILoveYourVibes · 11-01-2020 11:25PM

Strumms wrote: »

A tablet, I’d certainly get.... who the hell is going to be reading class stuff from a mobile phone though. Any teacher / lecturer who asks a class to be doing that...jeeez.

Really. Also he got people to log into this site on our phones to do these quizzes.

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