What would happen if Ireland left the EU?

Boredstiff666 · 10-01-2020 08:11PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

We never could stand on our own two feet for very long because of the trough swilling gombeen class in this country

Maybe it’s better this way

Perhaps something like that needs to happen so we can have a clear out?

Seth Brundle · 10-01-2020 08:18PM

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

And you forgot the money the Gov borrowed and gave them for their factories etc which we then pay for.

Multinationals come here for access to EU and British markets. They can leave tomorrow if it suits them to the UK or another EU country........just as any other business can.

Bad as they may be, can you or anyone name one foreifn multinational that would have established themselves here in the same way or are all the anti-EU naysayers just full of crap?

Another way if looking at what you said is that these companies are here employing people because were in the EU. So if we left...?

Boredstiff666 · 10-01-2020 08:20PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Bad as they may be, can you or anyone name one foreifn multinational that would have established themselves here in the same way or are all the anti-EU naysayers just full of crap?

Another way if looking at what you said is that these companies are here employing people because were in the EU. So if we left...?

No

Kermit.de.frog · 10-01-2020 08:21PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Bad as they may be, can you or anyone name one foreifn multinational that would have established themselves here in the same way or are all the anti-EU naysayers just full of crap?

Another way if looking at what you said is that these companies are here employing people because were in the EU. So if we left...?

Most be terrible being Singapore or Iceland or Switzerland or Norway....

Oh wait...

storker · 10-01-2020 08:22PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

A competent Govt would easily relieve a lot of the problems we have in society today including housing.

That's crazy talk. Don't you know that all economic and social problems are the fault of the EU? Without the meddlesome EU, Ireland today would still be the modern, forward-looking, technologically-advanced, secular, prosperous society it was before.

KWAG2019 · 10-01-2020 08:24PM

Before EU entry the country was just beginning to establish a type of modern economy. The years after The Civil War were taken up with establishing new state bodies and the great initiative of Ard na Crusha. The 30’s saw the consequences of 1929 and the economic war and then WW2 came. The Marshall plan began to show the way and in the late 50’s we began to plan for FDI which through the 60’s began to improve the country.

In short, the country had been managed as a colony by the Brits to supply cheap food to its cities and low skilled Labour to its industry and cannon fodder for its armed forces. Independence couldn’t end that overnight and international crises repeatedly derailed development. The country was impoverished with huge emigration.

Membership of the EU changed that completely which is why the EU has such approval here. So far. Ireland outside the EU again is not unthinkable. It’s a religious faith for some to deny that but that’s all it is. The real answer will be the deal the Brits get, the effects on other EU states and whether the Brits prosper more outside. All assuming we still have a functioning planet.

Boredstiff666 · 10-01-2020 08:24PM

storker wrote: »

That's crazy talk. Don't you know that all economic and social problems are the fault of the EU? Without the meddlesome EU, Ireland today would still be the modern, forward-looking, technologically-advanced, secular, prosperous society it was before.

But it will end sooner or later so accept the change. I think it will be soon but thats just me.

CrankyHaus · 10-01-2020 08:25PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Most be terrible being Singapore or Iceland or Switzerland or Norway....

Oh wait...

This comment highlights the hyperbole of most responses.

We'd most likely remain in EFTA, which would prevent the worst economic impacts of leaving. However we'd have no influence over the EU trading rules that we'd be bound by. In time we would probably find the EU change the rules we currently profit the most from. On the whole it would be bad, probably very bad. But the immediate rip in the space-time continuum hypothesized by many here is just pro-EU hysteria based on the servile myth that all development in this country since 1973 is solely owed to the EU.

Boredstiff666 · 10-01-2020 08:34PM

CrankyHaus wrote: »

This comment highlights the hyperbole of most responses.

We'd most likely remain in EFTA, which would prevent the worst economic impacts of leaving. However we'd have no influence over the EU trading rules that we'd be bound by. In time we would probably find the EU change the rules we currently profit the most from. On the whole it would be bad, probably very bad. But the immediate rip in the space-time continuum hypothesized by many here is just pro-EU hysteria based on the servile myth that all development in this country since 1973 is solely owed to the EU.

There comes a time where things change and the benefits may disappear or other things may appear more attractive. There comes a time where you have to draw a line and forget the past and go with what has now presented itself.

I think that time is spinning towards us.

kowloon · 10-01-2020 08:40PM

theguzman wrote: »

We would regain sovereignty, housing prices and rents would come down as thousands of economic migrants would leave. The country might become affordable again and sensible people would actually have a say on our future. We would have law and order again, reintroduce he death penalty by hanging and clean up Dublin by executing johnno and deco with their 200 convictions. Will it happen? absolutely not because the pigs at the trough at the top are benefiting too much. The EU was hurting the British elite which was why they left, but it is benefiting our corrupt bourgeoisie.

How very Travis Bickle. Do you fantasize about killing people you see as worthless and being the big hero?

TCM · 10-01-2020 08:43PM

Nobody has a clue.

LaFuton · 10-01-2020 08:43PM

one day a real rain will come

Jurgen Klopp · 10-01-2020 08:53PM

For all the multinationals here cause we are in the EU it will be interesting given other members like France are constantly moaning about our corporation tax rate

It would be interesting to see what would/will happen if the rates are harmonised across the EU

Frankly I don't believe for a second most wouldn't want to set up bang in the middle of the continent if the financial incentive was gone to be here

This craic about our "educated workforce" it's not as if Germany or France doesn't have that.

I can see being an English speaking nation being a benefit for US companies but would that really be enough given there would be a lot to be saved perhaps on logistics if located on the continent versus here?

nthclare · 10-01-2020 09:02PM

Most of the people who have it reasonably ok will be brought down to earth, probably living on 20 euros a week after their mortgages and bills etc

People working in hospitality and tourism will be the new IT crowd as in it'll be sexy to be tour guide, chef, b&b owner etc

Public sector people will be able to get by ok too.

But all the industry and cooperative jobs will be diminished.
Especially Google Facebook etc
Anything to do with pulling the wool over the masses eyes especially jobs like Quality assurance engineers, I think they've the most boring jobs ever, it'll give them a chance to re-educate themselves.

Parkland jobs such as gardener's and grounds men will be back again when people start to go to parks and woodlands and phones will become a hindrance, I already leave my phone at home a lot.

Buying ****e in those retail parks will diminish again as being frugal will get more popular.

Fiacra who used to be working in the top IT company will end up working in the electrical section in Tescos and he'll still have a cool title.
He'll still make himself look cool.

A lot of people will leave their partners and match up with the people they find funny and attractive, that's happening to a lot of people in their 40's already actually.

There will be a lot of empty retail parks that's for sure.

storker · 10-01-2020 09:03PM

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

But it will end sooner or later so accept the change. I think it will be soon but thats just me.

Yes, I believe it is...

swarlb · 10-01-2020 09:03PM

antimatterx wrote: »

We would become irrelevant

We are already.... it'd just be 'official'....

ancapailldorcha · 10-01-2020 09:08PM

Tiana Aggressive Scorpion wrote: »

We'd take a retrograde step back 47 years. Having lived in that place I wouldn't wish it on anybody.

I think you're one of the older posters here (no offence intended). Was it really that bad?

WesternZulu · 10-01-2020 09:10PM

nthclare wrote: »

Most of the people who have it reasonably ok will be brought down to earth, probably living on 20 euros a week after their mortgages and bills etc

People working in hospitality and tourism will be the new IT crowd as in it'll be sexy to be tour guide, chef, b&b owner etc

Public sector people will be able to get by ok too.

But all the industry and cooperative jobs will be diminished.
Especially Google Facebook etc
Anything to do with pulling the wool over the masses eyes especially jobs like Quality assurance engineers, I think they've the most boring jobs ever, it'll give them a chance to re-educate themselves.

Parkland jobs such as gardener's and grounds men will be back again when people start to go to parks and woodlands and phones will become a hindrance, I already leave my phone at home a lot.

Buying ****e in those retail parks will diminish again as being frugal will get more popular.

Fiacra who used to be working in the top IT company will end up working in the electrical section in Tescos and he'll still have a cool title.
He'll still make himself look cool.

A lot of people will leave their partners and match up with the people they find funny and attractive, that's happening to a lot of people in their 40's already actually.

There will be a lot of empty retail parks that's for sure.

Sounds miserable!

Guy:Incognito · 10-01-2020 09:12PM

Matt Barrett wrote: »

FG won't have to fight for Apple to keep their 13bn owed in tax.

You mean fg wont have to fight to not admit the country broke the law and gave state aid to a company?

pinkyeye · 10-01-2020 09:13PM

nthclare wrote: »

Most of the people who have it reasonably ok will be brought down to earth, probably living on 20 euros a week after their mortgages and bills etc

People working in hospitality and tourism will be the new IT crowd as in it'll be sexy to be tour guide, chef, b&b owner etc

Public sector people will be able to get by ok too.

But all the industry and cooperative jobs will be diminished.
Especially Google Facebook etc
Anything to do with pulling the wool over the masses eyes especially jobs like Quality assurance engineers, I think they've the most boring jobs ever, it'll give them a chance to re-educate themselves.

Parkland jobs such as gardener's and grounds men will be back again when people start to go to parks and woodlands and phones will become a hindrance, I already leave my phone at home a lot.

Buying ****e in those retail parks will diminish again as being frugal will get more popular.

Fiacra who used to be working in the top IT company will end up working in the electrical section in Tescos and he'll still have a cool title.
He'll still make himself look cool.

A lot of people will leave their partners and match up with the people they find funny and attractive, that's happening to a lot of people in their 40's already actually.

There will be a lot of empty retail parks that's for sure.

People will leave their partners because we've left the EU?

You've lost me there.

Boredstiff666 · 10-01-2020 09:13PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I think you're one of the older posters here (no offence intended). Was it really that bad?

47 years ago in UK it wasn't that great either. No coal to heat house, blackouts, everybody on strike. Very Jeremy Corbin land.

swarlb · 10-01-2020 09:17PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I think you're one of the older posters here (no offence intended). Was it really that bad?

Look upon it this way... I was a child in the 50/60's, and obviously 'came of age in the 70's.

I worked in an 'ordinary job' not public sector.
Today I have no mortgage, own a very decent home, have no debts of any kind, have savings, and am reasonably secure for the future.

However my children have an uncertain future, and at current trends will probably not find themselves in my position in 50 years, unless they manage to secure very well paid jobs and a pensionable future.

My first wage packet in the mid 70's, was just under £20 a week. Trust me, it went a long way.

kniggit · 10-01-2020 09:18PM

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

There comes a time where things change and the benefits may disappear or other things may appear more attractive. There comes a time where you have to draw a line and forget the past and go with what has now presented itself.

I think that time is spinning towards us.

When you wrote that post about Ireland's membership of the EU, were you imagining it being spoken in the voice of Morpheus?

Guy:Incognito · 10-01-2020 09:19PM

swarlb wrote: »

Look upon it this way... I was a child in the 50/60's, and obviously 'came of age in the 70's.

I worked in an 'ordinary job' not public sector.
Today I have no mortgage, own a very decent home, have no debts of any kind, have savings, and am reasonably secure for the future.

However my children have an uncertain future, and at current trends will probably not find themselves in my position in 50 years, unless they manage to secure very well paid jobs and a pensionable future.

My first wage packet in the mid 70's, was just under £20 a week. Trust me, it went a long way.

And this is purely an EU thing is it? Everywhere outside the eu is the way ireland was pre EU?

Plus , we joined in 73. That's before the mid 70s when you started getting that pay packet.

Boredstiff666 · 10-01-2020 09:20PM

kniggit wrote: »

When you wrote that post about Ireland's membership of the EU, were you imagining it being spoken in the voice of Morpheus?

Know nothing about it. Had to look it up ans still dont understand. So are you having a pop at me?

Jurgen Klopp · 10-01-2020 09:24PM

pinkyeye wrote: »

People will leave their partners because we've left the EU?

You've lost me there.

I think maybe what's he's talking off is a lot of couples together just cause one has a well paid or high status job?

I remember loads of fit women married to absolute hideous overweight "builders" and "property developers" during the boom that split within a couple years into the recession. It wasn't love that first matched them that's for sure

S.M.B. · 10-01-2020 09:30PM

pinkyeye wrote: »

People will leave their partners because we've left the EU?

You've lost me there.

You got to the second last paragraph at least. I struggled to get past the "people will stop using their phones as much because we have left the EU" paragraph.

dxhound2005 · 10-01-2020 09:34PM

endacl wrote: »

We’d sink into the Atlantic under the weight of sheer idiocy if we’d enough voters who’d choose to leave.

We went damn close in the Lisbon referendums. A NO vote in the second one would have meant us leaving.

Boredstiff666 · 10-01-2020 09:47PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

And this is purely an EU thing is it? Everywhere outside the eu is the way ireland was pre EU?

Plus , we joined in 73. That's before the mid 70s when you started getting that pay packet.

You could look at it that way. But why is that or why was that.

It was other countries paying loads of dosh they could have spent on their own population and country that Ireland had and other countries also.

Those countries who paid in all that dosh for 40 odd years do not want to or cant afford to do such anymore. In part because it has bought there country down in the process.

Also it was a gang of 7 trading amongst themselves at the beginning. Maybe it should have stopped that way and all would have been fine.

Nothing lasts forever and in Irelands case instead of building the country up we are now massively in debt and basically owned by a few miultinationals.

So some could say we are in a bad way if the ****e hits the fan.

I think everybody senses something but doesnt want to acknowledge it and others just want to blame and talk themselves into everything will be ok.

Mr doom and gloom I am. :rolleyes:

Richard Hillman · 10-01-2020 09:56PM

I would like to see the end of EU, everybody leaving and then just creating a free trade agreement with old EU Nations and then some.

Like the good old days.

What would happen if Ireland left the EU?

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