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ARGO Cargo Bike Assembly

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  • #2
    what_traffic
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    Step 3
    Bottom Bracket Link (Frame connector)
    Product recall Note: Stainless Steel one was sent out in April 2019. The original Bottom Bracket Link is also pictured(in black)

    Pic_3_r.jpg

    Step 4
    Attach Brake and Fork

    Pic_4_r.jpg

    Step 5
    Front joint for steering linkage

    Pic_5_r.jpg


  • #3
    mloc123
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    leaving us hanging :)


  • #4
    what_traffic
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    mloc123 wrote: »
    leaving us hanging :)

    Posting as I am building. Hopefully done by next week.


  • #5
    what_traffic
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    Step 6
    Join Middle and Front Section
    Pic_6_r.jpg

    Step 7
    Mount Fork to Front Section
    Pic_7_r.jpg

    Step 8
    Mount Fork Attachment to the Middle Section
    Pic_8_r.jpg

    Step 9
    Attach Steering Link arm to the Fork
    Pic_9_r.JPG


  • #6
    what_traffic
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    Step 10
    Steering Linkage to Steering Arm
    Pci_10_r.jpg

    Step 11
    Reflectors and Wheel Skewer
    Pic_11_r.jpg

    Step 12
    Install Kickstand
    Pic_12_r.jpg


    Step 13
    Install Rear Frame Section to Middle section
    Pic_13_r.jpg


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  • #7
    cdaly_
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    Um, did you get any further?


  • #8
    what_traffic
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    cdaly_ wrote: »
    Um, did you get any further?

    Giving the box a few coats of paint (it is MARINE Ply) which has stalled progress


  • #9
    mloc123
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    *cough*


  • #10
    what_traffic
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    Step 14
    4 Coats of paint (Had a 2.5l 'Wild Orcid' spare can; mix up when painting the house and shed doors last year. 'Wild Orchard' sounds so similar when buying in the paint shop :D)
    First 2 coats while cargo box was dis-assembled
    Box was then assembled on the Frame. Then removed box from the mounting brackets for the final two coats.
    Note - Barrel bolts supplied for assembling the box were poor quality. (Everything else has been fine) Wore thread off 4 of them even though used grease. Bought spares locally and were far better quality and so much easier to install.
    Pic_14_r.jpg

    Step 15
    Remove Crank and Bottom Bracket on the Surly Long Haul Trucker
    Pic_15_r.jpg


  • #11
    what_traffic
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    Will have full assembly done by 16th Sep. Will post further pics then


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    Step 16
    Install BBLink to the Bottom Bracket, install Crank Arms. Removed spider chain ring to fit crank arms to the required Nm (may need a lowered gear crankset into the future depending on usage)
    Pic_20_r.jpg

    Step 17
    Fit bike to the Steering Linkage and BBLink
    Pic_19_r.jpg
    Pic_18_r.jpg

    Step 18
    Tighten all bolts to the required Nm, do a recheck on parts

    Step 19
    Surly LHT Bike with ARGO
    Pic_17_r.jpg
    Pic_16_r.jpg


  • #13
    what_traffic
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    Step 20
    Surly LHT Bike with ARGO Cover
    Pic_21_r.jpg

    needed to install 2 hooks to the ARGO box for the cover.
    Pic_18_r.jpg


  • #14
    cdaly_
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    Looks pretty, enjoy the ride...


    Question, how does the steering linkage behave? It looks like a vertical pivot through the frame but your fork will pivot according to the head tube angle. Is there some kind of a universal joint?


  • #15
    what_traffic
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    cdaly_ wrote: »
    Looks pretty, enjoy the ride...


    Question, how does the steering linkage behave? It looks like a vertical pivot through the frame but your fork will pivot according to the head tube angle. Is there some kind of a universal joint?

    Should have taken a pic without the box when the ARGO was fitted.

    Your understanding is correct
    I think the following
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=484477
    might provide you with the visual
    The SURLY Fork sits on this and is fixed with the skewer.
    as seen in the following
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=490764


  • #16
    irishlenny
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    Hi - now you have it a while how does it handle and is it a slog with fullload ?

    thanks ;-)


  • #17
    what_traffic
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    irishlenny wrote: »
    Hi - now you have it a while how does it handle and is it a slog with fullload ?

    thanks ;-)

    tbh - not used it a whole lot yet; the odd short trip. Use my regular bike most of the time. Hopefully will be using this Spring a bit more and when my young fella is 2+. Easy access to it is probably main barrier; need to buy a NEW house to accommodate it :D


  • #18
    what_traffic
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    Getting Custom Waterproof Cushion made for the child seat
    Pic_14_r.jpg
    Will upload a pic when its done.


  • #19
    tomasrojo
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    Can you fit a rain hood to it? Our family cargo bike as the cabrio cover, and I do feel it's a very good addition, especially with children in the box.


  • #20
    tomasrojo
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    cdaly_ wrote: »
    Looks pretty, enjoy the ride...


    Question, how does the steering linkage behave? It looks like a vertical pivot through the frame but your fork will pivot according to the head tube angle. Is there some kind of a universal joint?


    This has been answered already for the argo, but it took me a while to figure out how to decouple the steering linkage on the bakfiets to grease it. It was squeaking a fair bit. The solution to how to have a straight linkage between two points turning in independent arcs is very clever, and relatively simple.

    There's a description here, but I still couldn't figure it out at first, but there's a small metal wire that goes through the sockets on the steering linkage and under the ball on the steering column and the fork and prevents the sockets from popping off. Other than that, they're basically two universal joints.

    https://www.bakfiets-en-meer.nl/instructions-manuals-workcycles/reassembly-of-a-workcycles-kr8-bakfiets/

    There's the ball on the fork, and there's an identical one attached to an arm at the end of the steering column that's turned by the handlebars:
    510793.jpg

    There's one of the sockets, with the sprung wire in place; you have to remove this wire before putting the socket onto the cup, and then slide it back into place and push the arched part of the wire down till it clicks home snugly around the rod:
    510794.jpg

    Apparently these clever little rod end bearings were invented in Germany in the 1940s.


  • #21
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    tomasrojo wrote: »
    Can you fit a rain hood to it? Our family cargo bike as the cabrio cover, and I do feel it's a very good addition, especially with children in the box.

    That will be something I will need to source I reckon for West Coast of Ireland living, hopefully boards will come to the rescue on that. ARGOBIKES dont have one available so might need to see if I can fit one from a babboe or similar.


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  • #22
    tomasrojo
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    If you want measurements of my bakfiets box, I can send them to you, so you can see whether it might fit the Argo. The cabrio cover is good. It warns you that you can't use it in the winter, but of course you can, but you do have to repair cracks in the clear plastic that result from low temperatures. I assume this would be a problem with almost any rain hood made of our clear flexible plastic.


  • #23
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    tomasrojo wrote: »
    If you want measurements of my bakfiets box, I can send them to you, so you can see whether it might fit the Argo. The cabrio cover is good. It warns you that you can't use it in the winter, but of course you can, but you do have to repair cracks in the clear plastic that result from low temperatures. I assume this would be a problem with almost any rain hood made of our clear flexible plastic.

    Ya that would be great - is it similar to the one here?
    http://www.workcycles.com/products/child-transport-bicycles/workcycles-kr8
    (Image 5 of 5)
    Dutch winters are harder than Irish so can see why they would have to recommend, presume though storage indoors in the winter is problably key for the clear plastic when not in use?


  • #24
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    tomasrojo wrote: »
    If you want measurements of my bakfiets box, I can send them to you, so you can see whether it might fit the Argo.
    Did you order the cover when you purchased/ordered the WorkCycles Kr8 Bakfiets? or was it separate order?


  • #25
    tomasrojo
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    what_traffic wrote: »
    Ya that would be great - is it similar to the one here?
    http://www.workcycles.com/products/child-transport-bicycles/workcycles-kr8
    (Image 5 of 5)
    Dutch winters are harder than Irish so can see why they would have to recommend, presume though storage indoors in the winter is problably key for the clear plastic when not in use?

    It's very similar to that. I keep it in a concrete shed with no windows, so it's reasonably sheltered from the elements when not in use, but not from low temperatures. It just has a few cracks in the plastic, which I've backed with electrical tape. They're nothing major, and I've had it for about four years. Don't even obscure the view. They tend to develop where the cover folds the most during lifting and lowering.

    I saw something in Woodies that would fix it better than electric tape. Sort of a clear patching material. If it ever gets bad, I'll use that.

    You can get a general idea of dimensions in cm from this image, but (the long-base is the one I have) you might need other details, so do let me know.

    496345.png


  • #26
    tomasrojo
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    what_traffic wrote: »
    Did you order the cover when you purchased/ordered the WorkCycles Kr8 Bakfiets? or was it separate order?

    I ordered from GreenAer and it was an option to get it at the same time, and they fitted it; but you can definitely order it separately. I added a few extra washers though, as they way they did it the spacers were digging into the wood slightly when the canopy was raised and lowered. I liked the way they used Presta lock nuts as spacers though. Don't know if that was GreenAer's idea or Cabrio's.

    I think to fit it, you just need to drill two holes for the ceiling pivot arch to attach to the box, and fit some snaps on to the front of the box to secure the canopy there. And two plastic cleats to the back, for elastic straps to attach to, to stop the wind blowing the canopy open.


  • #27
    tomasrojo
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    This is exactly the cover I have, and exactly the bike:

    511096.jpeg


  • #28
    what_traffic
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    full_box_dimensions_reduc.jpg
    ARGO Box Dimensions
    511281.jpg

    looks similar in size to the shorter base bakfiets @tomasrojo


  • #29
    tomasrojo
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    Yeah, if you get a cover suitable for the short-base bakfiets, it might fit; I'll have a closer look at this in an hour or two.

    You can use spacers if the skeleton of the canopy is too wide. As I said, a couple of presta locknuts are what's used on mine as spacers.


  • #30
    tomasrojo
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    Yeah, the short-base cabrio cover might work. It's slightly wider at the front and back than your bike's box, but that's better than being too narrow. I think you could have the metal frame of the canopy anchored on the outside of the box rather than the inside.

    It's too short by a few cm along the length though, which I'd have some misgivings about.


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  • #31
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    tomasrojo wrote: »
    It's too short by a few cm along the length though, which I'd have some misgivings about.
    Yeah agree, canopy rain cover looks to be a snug fit so those 5cm would be a bridge too far.


  • #32
    tomasrojo
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    The canopy hangs down around the box, and I think you'd be ok round the front and sides,, but the problem is that you have to cleat it to the back of the box, and I think, while you could use longer elastic straps, you'd have a gap at the back that would let rain in just where a child would be sitting.


  • #33
    tomasrojo
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    This isn't the cover, I have, but it's similar enough:

    http://bicyclebelleboston.com/2015/09/29/installing-clarjis-bakfiets-canopy/

    This is their canopy at the back; very similar to mine. There's a roll-up window that's nice on warmer days, but you can see that the back does hang approximately straight down.

    IMG_3877-300x224.jpg


  • #34
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    tomasrojo wrote: »
    I saw something in Woodies that would fix it better than electric tape. Sort of a clear patching material. If it ever gets bad, I'll use that.

    Try a camping store, I got a clear epoxy resin years ago for tent repairs, should work for a canopy like this, worked well on the tent, still able to use it.

    Thanks for all the tips @tomasrojo
    Probably may end buying a Clarjis canopy and modify the box to accommodate it.


  • #35
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    what_traffic wrote: »
    Try a camping store, I got a clear epoxy resin years ago for tent repairs, should work for a canopy like this, worked well on the tent, still able to use it.
    Seamgrip from McNett
    https://outdoor.mcnett.eu/seamgrip/

    thats what I use - they have other products, like tape that may also work?


  • #36
    site_owner
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    this stuff is great too. i;ve repaired 3 or 4 tears in my canopy with it


    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gorilla-Clear-Repair-Glue/dp/B00O1F4T9I


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  • #37
    tomasrojo
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    Thanks, everyone. I'll keep an eye for these.


  • #38
    what_traffic
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    what_traffic wrote: »
    Getting Custom Waterproof Cushion made for the child seat
    Pic_14_r.jpg
    Will upload a pic when its done.

    Custom Waterproof Cushion
    ARGO_CUSION_SMALL.jpg

    515340.jpg


  • #39
    what_traffic
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    Never managed to source a 2nd hand rain cover since my last post, but now one is available.
    https://argobikes.com/products/raincanopy

    Purchased it yesterday. €120 + €20 for shipping
    Hopefully it will be robust enough, does not look as heavy duty though as ones
    provided by Clarijs (based on price)
    https://en.clarijs-fietstassen.nl/collections/bakfietstenten-afdekzeilen

    One thing - its not fully enclosed, but probably be sufficient for my needs. Will post update once it is has been installed.


  • #40
    site_owner
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    how did you get it for 120?
    interested to see some photos when you get it, and whether it could be adapted for a bulllt (the blaq pak equivalent for the bullitt is 3x the price)


  • #41
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    site_owner wrote: »
    how did you get it for 120?
    interested to see some photos when you get it, and whether it could be adapted for a bulllt (the blaq pak equivalent for the bullitt is 3x the price)

    Whoops - you are right, good spot. Offering 30% discount if one filled out a 10min survey before October 31, 2020
    via newsletter:
    "
    (Because you have supported ARGO in the past, we are offering a special deal in exchange for a small amount of your time.)
    "

    it says:
    The ARGO rain canopy is made of durable vinyl for lots of rides. The canopy hardware installs in 5 to 20 minutes. And from there, the canopy takes 3 to 5 minutes to add onto your ARGO when you need it.


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  • #42
    site_owner
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    cool, is the discount code unqiue :)


  • #43
    what_traffic
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    site_owner wrote: »
    cool, is the discount code unqiue :)

    No idea, try "ConnectConnect30" before the 30th Oct


  • #44
    what_traffic
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    what_traffic wrote: »
    full_box_dimensions_reduc.jpg
    ARGO Box Dimensions
    511281.jpg

    looks similar in size to the shorter base bakfiets @tomasrojo

    Here is the official one
    https://argobikes.com/pages/argo-dimensions

    Also in a recent newsletter can now can buy a DASHBOX (a bit expensive considering one can create similar features with regular box with a bit of DIY skills)
    https://argobikes.com/products/argo-dashbox

    Does not look like one can buy the Dashbox instead of the regular box if purchasing the full kit.


  • #45
    what_traffic
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    In case anybody here is interested in purchasing; in todays Spring ARGO Cargo Bike Newsletter there is a discount code

    For Europe
    We have a limited number of ARGO Cargo units available for 2021. Once these are gone, it will be at least 12 months before we have more units available to purchase. In the mean time, you now have a coupon for EU units here. It is 10% off of the price and will be the only discount available for the remaining units. The code is "AlmostSpringEU". It expires on March 15th, 2021 and is only for the EU ARGO Cargo Kit


  • #46
    what_traffic
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    This is pic of the back hook (the other hook is for the simple box cover)
    Pic_22_rr.jpg

    550109.jpg

    This is pic of the back buckle, this attach's rear or the canopy to the back hook
    Pic_23_rr.jpg
    550110.jpg

    This is pic of the front of the box, this attach's front pole of the canopy to the box.
    Small Velcro stickers either side of the front fork
    Pic_24_rr.jpg
    550111.jpg

    Rain Canopy on the box (has a buckle and strap - to hold down the front corners of the canopy )
    Pic_25_rr.jpg
    550112.jpg


  • #47
    tomasrojo
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    Looks good!


  • #48
    site_owner
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    thats a great looking setup! nice colors :)


  • #49
    what_traffic
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    tomasrojo wrote: »
    Looks good!

    If I could only rotate the photos when using the
    [IMG][/IMG] tag?


  • #50
    what_traffic
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    site_owner wrote: »
    thats a great looking setup! nice colors :)

    Pure luck on the colors,
    The Canopy is pretty good, better than I thought when I originally opened the box. It should be able to fit any box of a similar size as it is designed to be pretty flexible in the way it is installed with its use of buckle and straps. Does not offer 100% rain protection, but should be fine for most of my needs.


  • #51
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    Pic_26_rr.jpg

    550204.jpg

    Pic_27_rr.jpg

    550205.jpg


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