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Ireland's Call -- What's the Problem?

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  • #62
    WrenBoy
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    I actually find it embarrassing that the Irish rugby team weren't proud enough of playing for Ireland to play the National Anthem of Ireland.


  • #63
    El_Duderino 09
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    Nope but a few triggering phrases, never mind the naked militarism of it.

    Oh here, if anyone doesn't think it's about the English then I've a bridge to sell them.

    Not to mention manning the breech which is exactly the kind of warfare they were doing with the British at the time.


  • #64
    super_furry
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    WrenBoy wrote: »
    I actually find it embarrassing that the Irish rugby team weren't proud enough of playing for Ireland to play the National Anthem of Ireland.

    Great point, well made.

    Actually it's a little known fact that it was Conor Murray who decided against playing Amhrán na bhFiann because he's ashamed of the country after the Henry Cecil pub in Limerick was not only allowed to close, but was then demolished.

    The more you know.


  • #65
    El_Duderino 09
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    WrenBoy wrote: »
    I actually find it embarrassing that the Irish rugby team weren't proud enough of playing for Ireland to play the National Anthem of Ireland.

    Ireland doesn't have an anthem. The Republic of Ireland has an anthem and northern Ireland has an anthem. But Ireland doesn't have one. Makes sense to create a new one then, doesn't it?


  • #66
    Winning_Stroke
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    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    northern Ireland has an anthem.

    No it doesn't.


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  • #67
    WrenBoy
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    super_furry wrote: »
    Great point, well made.

    Actually it's a little known fact that it was Conor Murray who decided against playing Amhrán na bhFiann because he's ashamed of the country after the Henry Cecil pub in Limerick was not only allowed to close, but was then demolished.

    The more you know.

    Obviously The Irish Rugby Team organisation, not the individual players but yeah carry on with that pedantic crap, its very impressive..


  • #68
    bodhrandude
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    Snickers Man wrote: »
    Have to disagree with some of this. All English speaking countries have crap national anthems, ourselves included. It's about the only thing that truly connects the "Anglosphere".

    True: NKosi sikelele Africa is one of the great anthems, and South Africa is partly English speaking. Mai Hain Wlad fy Nadhau is terrific as well and Wales is nearly entirely English speaking but then they are a stateless nation.

    Germany, France, Italy, Russia, Holland all have great anthems. We are perhaps unique in having not one but two that are both pretty sh1t.

    I do my duty; I stick my chest out and belt them out before a game. But I just wish they were both better songs.

    I thought Gordon Sinclair (From Gregory's Girl) done a great Scottish anthem with this one.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #69
    super_furry
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    WrenBoy wrote: »
    Obviously The Irish Rugby Team organisation, not the individual players but yeah carry on with that pedantic crap, its very impressive..

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  • #70
    Church on Tuesday
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    Snickers Man wrote: »
    Have to disagree with some of this. All English speaking countries have crap national anthems, ourselves included. It's about the only thing that truly connects the "Anglosphere".

    True: NKosi sikelele Africa is one of the great anthems, and South Africa is partly English speaking. Mai Hain Wlad fy Nadhau is terrific as well and Wales is nearly entirely English speaking but then they are a stateless nation.

    Germany, France, Italy, Russia, Holland all have great anthems. We are perhaps unique in having not one but two that are both pretty sh1t.

    I do my duty; I stick my chest out and belt them out before a game. But I just wish they were both better songs.


    The German national anthem would put you to sleep.

    And for those who would criticize Amhrán na bhFiann as being too 'violent'; La Marseillaise is a lot more bloody, it's even referenced in the lyrics.

    National anthems in the main are like that, they are oft born out of a struggle for independence hence the above subject matter.

    Ireland's Call is a perfectly fine anthem for the Ruby fraternity and was an attempt to keep our Unionist 'brothers' happy to tog out and support an all Ireland team and that's basically all there really is to it.


  • #71
    crossman47
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    Church on Tuesday wrote: »

    Ireland's Call is a perfectly fine anthem for the Ruby fraternity and was an attempt to keep our Unionist 'brothers' happy to tog out and support an all Ireland team and that's basically all there really is to it.

    Exactly. We should be happy we have an all Ireland team and do what is needed to accommodate all.


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  • #72
    [Deleted User]
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    It's an appalling dirge. Phil Coulter has inflicted a lot of muck on the airwaves, and "Ireland's Call" tops them all. When both anthems are played back to back, I cannot help but cringe. Leave it out.


  • #73
    marieholmfan
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    It's an appalling dirge. Phil Coulter has inflicted a lot of muck on the airwaves, and "Ireland's Call" tops them all. When both anthems are played back to back, I cannot help but cringe. Leave it out.
    I don't agree but I won't scorn your simplicity


  • #74
    Winning_Stroke
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    It's an appalling dirge. Phil Coulter has inflicted a lot of muck on the airwaves, and "Ireland's Call" tops them all. When both anthems are played back to back, I cannot help but cringe. Leave it out.

    At least the shoulder-to-shoulder boys aren't doing a little dance before the game.


  • #75
    jester77
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    It's an awful piece of crud, serious cringe. No idea who wrote it, but it's like something you would expect someone struggling with Leaving Cert ordinary level English to put on paper.


  • #76
    is_that_so
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    "pledged to Ireland" - It's the Irish national anthem :confused:
    "sworn to be free" - imagine a country wanting to be free :confused:
    "mid cannons roar and rifles peal" - no idea of your issue with that?

    Should GSTQ be changed to apease the Scots "Victory bring. May he sedition hush, And like a torrent rush, Rebellious Scots to crush."

    Or the US anthem change "And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air"

    Should we have a nicey nice anthem so as not to offend anyone?? How about the Barney song???
    I've no issues with it at all any more than those, who recognise the other anthems as their own, would. Remember we are talking cross-border politically and it might not go down so well with certain persuasions. Ireland's Call takes care of that and they can all sing it with gusto.


  • #77
    Deebles McBeebles
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    It's an appalling dirge. Phil Coulter has inflicted a lot of muck on the airwaves, and "Ireland's Call" tops them all.

    Have to agree. As a song, its dreadful. Simplistic, generic, safe. Maybe that was the brief.

    As an anthem, well who gives a sh*t what they play really? My vote would be for Van Halen - Jump, though.


  • #78
    Collie D
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    I've no issues with it at all any more than those, who recognise the other anthems as their own, would. Remember we are talking cross-border politically and it might not go down so well with certain persuasions. Ireland's Call takes care of that and they can all sing it with gusto.

    "They" can sing it. I won't. It's dull, generic and ****e. If Coldplay or Phil Collins were a country Ireland's Call would be their anthem.

    I don't see the issue with an anthem being nationalistic...surely that's the point?


  • #79
    EmmetSpiceland
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Northern Ireland isn't in England though :confused::confused:

    No, and we can argue all day about Northern Ireland’s place in the “United Kingdom” but Northern Ireland, for the most part, plays ‘God Save the Queen’ for their sporting events.

    This is down to Northern Ireland having no cultural identity of its own and, almost, solely identifying with England. All while waving the union flag and shouting “Britain”.

    The Scots have a strong national identity and, as such, have their own “song”. Even the utterly dominated welsh have a strong sense of identity and their own one too.

    From what I’ve heard, pre-‘Ireland’s Call’, the anthem for Irish rugby matches played in the North was ‘God Save the Queen’ but, again from what I’ve heard, there weren’t any games played there that would require it. I do believe that an Ireland “A” match was and they played ‘the Queen’.

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

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  • #80
    trashcan
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    BarryD2 wrote: »
    The melody of Ireland's Call is fine but the lyrics are a bit naff. The melody of Amhrán na bhFiann on the other hand is a dirge and the lyrics are a century out of date.
    .

    You’ve got that the wrong way around. I think the melody of Amhram na bhFiann is fine, it’s genuinely anthemic, (which helps for an anthem) and I think it’s quite stirring. Ireland’s Call on the other hand is tuneless dirge.

    On anthems generally my favorites would be the German and the Russian. Those guys know how to do an anthem.


  • #81
    marieholmfan
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    trashcan wrote: »
    You’ve got that the wrong way around. I think the melody of Amhram na bhFiann is fine, it’s genuinely anthemic, (which helps for an anthem) and I think it’s quite stirring. Ireland’s Call on the other hand is tuneless dirge.

    On anthems generally my favorites would be the German and the Russian. Those guys know how to do an anthem.
    What about

    Freude Schonner Gotterfunken
    Tochter auf Elysium
    Wir Betretet feuertrunken
    Himmlische dein Heligtim


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  • #82
    Deebles McBeebles
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    trashcan wrote: »
    On anthems generally my favorites would be the German and the Russian. Those guys know how to do an anthem.

    And an annex.


  • #83
    weldoninhio
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    EmmetSpiceland wrote: »
    No, and we can argue all day about Northern Ireland’s place in the “United Kingdom” but Northern Ireland, for the most part, plays ‘God Save the Queen’ for their sporting events.

    This is down to Northern Ireland having no cultural identity of its own and, almost, solely identifying with England. All while waving the union flag and shouting “Britain”.

    The Scots have a strong national identity and, as such, have their own “song”. Even the utterly dominated welsh have a strong sense of identity and their own one too.

    From what I’ve heard, pre-‘Ireland’s Call’, the anthem for Irish rugby matches played in the North was ‘God Save the Queen’ but, again from what I’ve heard, there weren’t any games played there that would require it. I do believe that an Ireland “A” match was and they played ‘the Queen’.

    There’s no argument. GSTQ is the English anthem. NI, Wales and Scotland do not have national anthems.


  • #84
    marieholmfan
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    Deebles McBeebles wrote: »
    And an annex.
    Absolutely got a Russian to build the extension and a German to build the conservatory!


  • #85
    trashcan
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    marieholmfan wrote: »
    What about

    Freude Schonner Gotterfunken
    Tochter auf Elysium
    Wir Betretet feuertrunken
    Himmlische dein Heligtim

    Sorry, what ? Mein Deutsch ist niche so gut. ! I was talking about the tunes, haven’t a breeze about the words to either.


  • #86
    touts
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    Ireland's call has all the nuance and depth of something that was written on the back of a fag box in the taxi on the way to the pitch.

    But maybe that's it's success. It has to appeal to two communities where there is a high degree of hatred and distrust. Sometimes saying nothing is better than saying the wrong thing.


  • #87
    Cee-Jay-Cee
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    I detest the song, its absolutely the most cringey thing ever. It sounds like it was made up by a school child and is trying too hard to be something of importance..which its not. Its fcuking horrendous.

    I don't like the National Anthem either but its better than that Irelands call Shiite.


  • #88
    Tell me how
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    I like it.

    In basic terms, it references the physical elements of the country and suggests a pride in it's citizens rising to meet its needs. It has a nice lilt to it and it is eassy to remember and sing along to it.

    Often thought that flippant dismissal of it was more down to wanting to appear cool or radical or something.
    I like Amhran na Bhfiann as well but if we do move to a United Ireland and need to change the anthem, I'd hope it would be a swift decision to select Irelands call instead of a conscious effort to make something which would be all things to all people. Because, even if that song was perfectly fine, we'd have 10-20 years of 'Why the f*ck am I listening to this dirge.'


  • #89
    Ekerot
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    I don't care what anyone says, as far as I'm concerned the USSR had the best anthem ever


  • #90
    pixelburp
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    I find most national anthems awful dreary dirges in the first place, so neither Amhrán na bhFiann nor Ireland's Call do anything for me, for separate musical reasons. Amhrán na bhFiann feels flat and dawdling, though ends on more of a crescendo than most anthems, while the latter song is utterly generic (and has a blunt, weird key change, if that's what it's called?). Few enough anthems actually stir the blood, though I guess it depends on how emotionally invested the person is in nationalistic pride. Certainly if there was a United Ireland, there's a non-zero chance IMO Amhrán na bhFiann would be sidelined anyway, as a gesture towards the unionist minority now living in a different country.


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  • #91
    Ulysses Gaze
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    Ghost Town should be our National Anthem



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