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Ireland's Call -- What's the Problem?

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  • #32
    Badly Drunk Boy
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    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Ole Ole Ole Ole is a lot better tbh.
    It feeds into the stereotype of the Irish and drink, though.

    "ÓL É, ÓL É, ÓL É, ÓL É!". ;)


  • #33
    El_Duderino 09
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    reg114 wrote: »
    It's a poor anthem but it's heart is in the right place. My only objection is to the playing of both anthems, pick one and only one and stick with it

    God save the queen then?

    I'd just stick with Ireland's call and forget the national anthem for rugby games. I've little connection to amhran na bhfiann and no connection to god save the queen.


  • #34
    WengerOutIn
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    It is such a boring tune that tries to lift it towards the end. It is just like a balloon running out of air.


  • #35
    super_furry
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    I like it because it mentions all the important county's of Ireland. Antrim, Galway, Limerick and Dublin.

    The other unimportant little villages and borreens like Cork don't warrant a mention and it lets them know where they stand.


  • #36
    EmmetSpiceland
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    reg114 wrote: »
    It's a poor anthem but it's heart is in the right place. My only objection is to the playing of both anthems, pick one and only one and stick with it

    That’s it. Stick to ‘Ireland’s Call’. For rugby anyway, hockey already uses it.

    Should the silly situation of flying both the “tricolour” and the Ulster flag. Just fly the flag the Irish Rugby flag, it’s a cross-border one so no need for having two.

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



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  • #37
    AlfaZen
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    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    God save the queen then?

    I'd just stick with Ireland's call and forget the national anthem for rugby games. I've little connection to amhran na bhfiann and no connection to god save the queen.

    If Ireland were to play a Home international in Belfast prior to 2007 I believe the protocol was for Ireland's Call and God Save the Queen to be played.


  • #38
    BarryD2
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    The melody of Ireland's Call is fine but the lyrics are a bit naff. The melody of Amhrán na bhFiann on the other hand is a dirge and the lyrics are a century out of date.

    If you wanted a song that is cross community, immediately identified with Ireland and has some historical credit in terms of longevity - there's a clear & obvious answer in Danny Boy, sung to the Derry or Londonderry air according to your preference. Yes, it's a bit maudlin but a wonderful melody that brings both tears and pride to the eye.


  • #39
    El_Duderino 09
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    EmmetSpiceland wrote: »
    That’s it. Stick to ‘Ireland’s Call’. For rugby anyway, hockey already uses it.

    Should the silly situation of flying both the “tricolour” and the Ulster flag. Just fly the flag the Irish Rugby flag, it’s a cross-border one so no need for having two.

    Yeah I'd agree with just using the rugby flag too but no real objection to the tricolour and ulster flag.


  • #40
    El_Duderino 09
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    BarryD2 wrote: »
    The melody of Ireland's Call is fine but the lyrics are a bit naff. The melody of Amhrán na bhFiann on the other hand is a dirge and the lyrics are a century out of date.

    If you wanted a song that is cross community, immediately identified with Ireland and has some historical credit in terms of longevity - there's a clear & obvious answer in Danny Boy, sung to the Derry or Londonderry air according to your preference. Yes, it's a bit maudlin but a wonderful melody that brings both tears and pride to the eye.

    Good song and all but what's it got to do with a game of rugby?


  • #41
    El_Duderino 09
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    AlfaZen wrote: »
    If Ireland were to play a Home international in Belfast I believe the protocol is for Ireland's Call and God Save the Queen to be played.

    It is indeed. But the last time they played in Belfast in 2007, while the Aviva was being built, they didn't play god save the queen because it would hurt the feelings of too many people in the republic.


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  • #42
    Deebles McBeebles
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    WengerOutIn wrote: »
    It is such a boring tune that tries to lift it towards the end. It is just like a balloon running out of air.

    Its the old pop song trick of going up a step/chord in order to finish on a high.


  • #43
    BarryD2
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    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Good song and all but what's it got to do with a game of rugby?

    Nothing at all........... but who said the OP was on about rugby? :)

    That said, a full crowd at Landsdowne Road / Aviva or Croke Park belting out Danny Boy would be a fine thing.


  • #44
    Sardonicat
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    EmmetSpiceland wrote: »
    It’s good but it’s not great, too slow.

    Look at France or Italy’s, they are “belters”. Ours is definitely better than most, England’s is shíte, although both Queen and Gentle Giant did a good job of rocking it up a bit.

    America’s one sounds good but it’s just a bunch of silly questions, Australia and Canada both have crap ones. New Zealand too.

    A good “anthem” is hard to find.

    France.


  • #45
    RandomName2
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    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    I like it. It's simple and clear. The national anthem is actually a bit embarrassing and holds little relevance to me personally.

    Amhran na bhFiann isn't exactly the most inclusive anthem and feels very much of DeV's generation. My main issue with it is that the cadence is all over the place.

    Ireland's call has its heart in the right place, but the lyrics feel a bit mediocre. It has a good beat to it, but I don't know.. it could be a bit better.

    It's unfortunate in the rugby when up against France given that their anthem knocks the socks off either of our songs. Granted the French saying that they'll irrigate their fields with our blood is taking it a bit far though.
    EmmetSpiceland wrote: »
    America’s one sounds good but it’s just a bunch of silly questions.

    What!? It was the Battle of Baltimore, and the questions were rhetorical. Jaysus.


  • #46
    super_furry
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    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    It is indeed. But the last time they played in Belfast in 2007, while the Aviva was being built, they didn't play god save the queen because it would hurt the feelings of too many people in the republic.

    That hasn't been the case since 1995 when Ireland's Call was first adopted.

    Anyway, I'm not sure why an Ireland team would ever play the English national anthem.


  • #47
    EmmetSpiceland
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    Sardonicat wrote: »
    France.

    I said the french one is a “belter”.
    super_furry wrote: »
    Anyway, I'm not sure why an Ireland team would ever play the English national anthem.

    I think you’re supposed to sing the anthem of the “country” you’re in. Protocol etc.

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • #48
    super_furry
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    EmmetSpiceland wrote: »
    I said the french one is a “belter”.



    I think you’re supposed to sing the anthem of the “country” you’re in. Protocol etc.

    Not since 1995, when Ireland's Call was introduced.


  • #49
    Nerdlingr
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    Amhran na bhFiann isnt or was never meant to be a 'dirge' ... but that's what its become.
    Its a marching song that should be played at a quick tempo.
    The amount of times it has had the arse dragged out of it at GAA/Soccer/ Sporting events is unreal.
    Its not meant to be sung as a slow lament for the coffin ships and i hate to see it performed that way (more often than not by some lovely cailín who think shes Mariah Carey...)
    Its a great anthem if played at the right tempo with a quick drum beat.


  • #50
    weldoninhio
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    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    I like it. It's simple and clear. The national anthem is actually a bit embarrassing and holds little relevance to me personally. I hold no I'll will towards the English and I don't feel under siege from the English. So singing a song about being under siege by the English doesn't interest me.

    Ireland call is about Irish people coming together to stand together as a team against the opposition. That's exactly what they're doing while singing and I think it's a very good anthem.

    Outside Ireland people admire it, in my experience anyway.

    Soldiers are we,
    Whose lives are pledged to Ireland,
    Some have come from a land beyond the wave,
    Sworn to be free, no more our ancient sireland
    Shall shelter the despot or the slave;
    Tonight we man the Bearna Baoil
    In Erin’s cause come woe or weal,
    ‘Mid cannon’s roar and rifle’s peal,
    We’ll chant a soldier’s song.

    Mentions of England, the English, sieges or Britain: 0


  • #51
    Pinch Flat
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    At least people know the words.


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  • #52
    BarryD2
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    Look too at the lyrics of Danny Boy

    Oh, Danny boy, the pipes, the pipes are calling
    From glen to glen, and down the mountain side.
    The summer's gone, and all the roses falling,
    It's you, it's you must go and I must bide.

    But come ye back when summer's in the meadow,
    Or when the valley's hushed and white with snow,
    It's I'll be here in sunshine or in shadow,
    Oh, Danny boy, oh Danny boy, I love you so!

    But when ye come, and all the flowers are dying,
    If I am dead, as dead I well may be,
    You'll come and find the place where I am lying,
    And kneel and say an Ave there for me.

    And I shall hear, though soft you tread above me,
    And all my grave will warmer, sweeter be,
    For you will bend and tell me that you love me,
    And I shall sleep in peace until you come to me!

    Nothing to do with politics, war or national aspirations. Just a simple story of emigrations and/or loss, themes that fit Ireland anyway. But it's the melody that drives the song and a good tune is a good tune. It's uplifting and immediately recognisable with Ireland and apart from the high note near the end can be sung by most people.

    Suppose one downside is that the 'You raise me up' crowd arguably modeled that very successful song on it. But still that in itself is a measure of the simple quality of the Derry Air.


  • #53
    weldoninhio
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    The whole point of it is appeasement. You're correct, we do have a national anthem. But, some of the players and fans have a different one. Would you honestly prefer if we played both Amhrna bhFiann AND god save the queen/king before matches?

    GSTQ isn't the anthem of NI. So why would that be played?

    There is no official national anthem which represents only Northern Ireland, a constituent country of the United Kingdom. ... Londonderry Air is played as the anthem of Northern Ireland at the some events such as the Commonwealth Games.


  • #54
    El_Duderino 09
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    super_furry wrote: »
    That hasn't been the case since 1995 when Ireland's Call was first adopted.

    Anyway, I'm not sure why an Ireland team would ever play the English national anthem.

    It's the national anthem of the UK, of which Northern Ireland is a part.


  • #55
    is_that_so
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Soldiers are we,
    Whose lives are pledged to Ireland,
    Some have come from a land beyond the wave,
    Sworn to be free, no more our ancient sireland
    Shall shelter the despot or the slave;
    Tonight we man the Bearna Baoil
    In Erin’s cause come woe or weal,
    ‘Mid cannon’s roar and rifle’s peal,
    We’ll chant a soldier’s song.

    Mentions of England, the English, or Britain: 0
    Nope but a few triggering phrases, never mind the naked militarism of it.


  • #56
    weldoninhio
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    EmmetSpiceland wrote: »
    I said the french one is a “belter”.



    I think you’re supposed to sing the anthem of the “country” you’re in. Protocol etc.

    Northern Ireland isn't in England though :confused::confused:


  • #57
    Panthro
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    I reckon they should go mad and do "Shipping up to Boston" by the Dropkicks.
    Obviously put a twist on it "Shipping up to Dublin (sesssssshhhunnnn)"
    Be savage


  • #58
    weldoninhio
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    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    It's the national anthem of the UK, of which Northern Ireland is a part.

    It's the national anthem of England.


  • #59
    super_furry
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    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    It's the national anthem of the UK, of which Northern Ireland is a part.

    So should we play Ode to Joy as well?

    Scotland and Wales are in the UK and they don't play it.


  • #60
    Winning_Stroke
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    Ugh, hearing it just conjures up a mental vision of D4 d!ckheads in an awed hush, while Ryle Nuget whispers into the mic that "Sexy boy steps up, places the ball, a country's hopes on his brave shoulders..."


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  • #61
    weldoninhio
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    Nope but a few triggering phrases, never mind the naked militarism of it.

    "pledged to Ireland" - It's the Irish national anthem :confused:
    "sworn to be free" - imagine a country wanting to be free :confused:
    "mid cannons roar and rifles peal" - no idea of your issue with that?

    Should GSTQ be changed to apease the Scots "Victory bring. May he sedition hush, And like a torrent rush, Rebellious Scots to crush."

    Or the US anthem change "And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air"

    Should we have a nicey nice anthem so as not to offend anyone?? How about the Barney song???


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