Electric, Hydrogen & Hybrid Electric Buses in Ireland

devnull · 10-08-2019 12:05pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Here you all go....

That is not a page from www.dublinbus.ie and is a page from a testing/staging version of the DB website.

It doesn't appear on the live version of the Dublin Bus website, probably because it is not correct and has not been approved for use as it is either incorrect or no longer correct if it was before.

GM228 · 10-08-2019 1:45pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Go and look up the bye laws....
It actually is.

It's not.

punisher5112 wrote: »

Obviously none of you have been harassed and had videos and photos taken on different occasions.

Look GM think of it as you like but I'm well aware of the rules and bye laws

punisher5112 wrote: »

Here you all go....

That is not a bye-law, there are no such provisions provided for under law and there never has been.

L1011 · 10-08-2019 3:37pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Obviously none of you have been harassed and had videos and photos taken on different occasions.

Look GM think of it as you like but I'm well aware of the rules and bye laws

If there's someone on here I would trust to know all the transport bylaws it'd be GM228...

punisher5112 · 10-08-2019 5:11pm

Very unfair attacking me as was done, I stated a fact and put up the notice... This was live on the site so must have only been removed lately.

Everyone goes on about safety yada yada but nobody actually seems to give a fook about the driver and are disrespectful quite often and I've had the usual rubbish if I'm reporting you or whatever and these people would be putting the phone in my face driving and while stopped.

I should be able to work and not be harassed so it's something I will be taking up with the job and union now that this has been removed.

Stephen15 · 10-08-2019 5:20pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Very unfair attacking me as was done, I stated a fact and put up the notice... This was live on the site so must have only been removed lately.

Everyone goes on about safety yada yada but nobody actually seems to give a fook about the driver and are disrespectful quite often and I've had the usual rubbish if I'm reporting you or whatever and these people would be putting the phone in my face driving and while stopped.

I should be able to work and not be harassed so it's something I will be taking up with the job and union now that this has been removed.

All sorts of gob****es on Twitter trying to report drivers for minor issues taking photos

L1011 · 10-08-2019 5:21pm

There was never a byelaw so it wasn't like something solid was removed.

Inaccurately telling a prick thats up in your face filming you that they can't film is waving a red rag to a bull. They'll likely know that they can

GM228 · 10-08-2019 5:43pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Very unfair attacking me as was done, I stated a fact and put up the notice...

Who is "attacking" you? I simply pointed out that it is not illegal, what you stated is factually incorrect, it is not illegal and not covered under any bye-laws, that is a fact.

punisher5112 wrote: »

This was live on the site so must have only been removed lately.

To be fair most of the CIE company websites have similar, and it is also worth noting that it is simply a policy regarding filming/photo shoots and all that is required for such, that does not equate to a general filming ban and most definitely does not mean it is illegal, it could only be made illegal by an Act of the Oireachtas or a bye-law.

donvito99 · 10-08-2019 6:01pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

All sorts of gob****es on Twitter trying to report drivers for minor issues taking photos

Rightly so, all of those 'minor' issues are indicative of the seriously dangerous habits of professional drivers.

Stephen15 · 10-08-2019 6:09pm

donvito99 wrote: »

Rightly so, all of those 'minor' issues are indicative of the seriously dangerous habits of professional drivers.

Not sure what dangerous habits you're talking about. The vast majority of DB and GAI drivers are excellent drivers

donvito99 · 10-08-2019 6:39pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

Not sure what dangerous habits you're talking about. The vast majority of DB and GAI drivers are excellent drivers

Despite CCTV coming out of their eyeballs, buses are hammering through stale reds left and right. Are we supposed to wait for casualties before drivers start facing consequences.

Saw a 16 last week blast through towards Harrington St, but this was a minute or more into the Camden St's sequence - must have been day dreaming.

Stephen15 · 10-08-2019 6:51pm

donvito99 wrote: »

Despite CCTV coming out of their eyeballs, buses are hammering through stale reds left and right. Are we supposed to wait for casualties before drivers start facing consequences.

Saw a 16 last week blast through towards Harrington St, but this was a minute or more into the Camden St's sequence - must have been day dreaming.

And how many car drivers and even more so cyclists do you see driving through reds on a daily basis. If he broke the rules that's up to DB's internal policy and AGS to enforce not people on Twitter trying to catch people out.

donvito99 · 10-08-2019 7:37pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

And how many car drivers and even more so cyclists do you see driving through reds on a daily basis. If he broke the rules that's up to DB's internal policy and AGS to enforce not people on Twitter trying to catch people out.

Those cyclists and car drivers don't have a hundred people's necks to look after. Also, just because someone else has floored it through a junction illegally does not mean that DB drivers should just go ahead and follow.

The reason we see this is quite clearly because DBs internal policy is impotent.

Stephen15 · 10-08-2019 7:55pm

donvito99 wrote: »

Those cyclists and car drivers don't have a hundred people's necks to look after. Also, just because someone else has floored it through a junction illegally does not mean that DB drivers should just go ahead and follow.

The reason we see this is quite clearly because DBs internal policy is impotent.

I haven't expierenced DB drivers breaking red lights and one instance doesn't mean it happens on a regular basis. I have seen them go through amber lights which then turn red but in many of these instances they are safer to keep going than stop as stopping could cause passengers to fall forward.

Also if there was to be an accident with the bus involved it would likely be a cyclist, motorist or pedestrain to come off the worse as generally it's the smaller vehcile that comes off the worse in these types of situations.

dublinman1990 · 10-08-2019 7:57pm

As far as I am aware; if people or bus enthusiasts want to film some of their journey with a smartphone they are allowed to do some filming on the bus once they board it & get verbal permission from the bus driver. This type of stuff is done regularly from enthusiasts who have smartphones & take journeys on regular diesel buses all over Ireland & the UK. So again in short; once they get the OK from the driver; there should be no problem with it.

bk · 11-08-2019 4:19pm

dublinman1990 wrote: »

As far as I am aware; if people or bus enthusiasts want to film some of their journey with a smartphone they are allowed to do some filming on the bus once they board it & get verbal permission from the bus driver. This type of stuff is done regularly from enthusiasts who have smartphones & take journeys on regular diesel buses all over Ireland & the UK. So again in short; once they get the OK from the driver; there should be no problem with it.

Yes it is a common courtesy to ask the driver if they would mind if they take a picture of the bus or film.

It is also common courtesy for the person to try and not capture the faces of passengers, like the person who took this video, who lowers his camera when people board, etc. Or block out the faces afterwards with editing.

The point is for the enthusiast to record the experience of a new bus, not to make the divers or other passengers feel uncomfortable.

There is certainly nothing illegal about filming in a public space!

BonnieSituation · 11-08-2019 4:38pm

Can this all be moved to a different thread . Jesus it's insufferable.

Stephen15 · 27-08-2019 9:27pm

See the AHs have entered service now

p_haugh · 27-08-2019 11:03pm

I believe its only AH2 thats been out the past few days.

p_haugh · 27-08-2019 11:17pm

My own picture taken of it today:

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BonnieSituation · 27-08-2019 11:51pm

p_haugh wrote: »

My own picture taken of it today:

Much better looking machine than the WHs. Not surprisingly!

Even for just the change, I want to see anything but the WH win the tender.

Anybody any ideas what they're like on board?

Stephen15 · 27-08-2019 11:56pm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Much better looking machine than the WHs. Not surprisingly!

Even for just the change, I want to see anything but the WH win the tender.

Anybody any ideas what they're like on board?

I've heard driver feedback has been very good

p_haugh · 28-08-2019 12:45pm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Much better looking machine than the WHs. Not surprisingly!

Even for just the change, I want to see anything but the WH win the tender.

Anybody any ideas what they're like on board?

IMO it's quite nice. Upstairs is a lot brighter due to the bigger windows. The fans are quite loud however down by the back of the bus.
There's no bus stopping indicator upstairs, and the one downstairs is at the very front by the doors.
A less important thing to note but at the back seats downstairs there's now 4 USB ports on each side instead of just 2.

GM228 · 31-08-2019 12:02am

I see the WHs are back in service, I assume the brake issues have been addressed?

Matteo Salvini1 · 31-08-2019 12:21am

GM228 wrote: »

I see the WHs are back in service, I assume the brake issues have been addressed?

I believe WH3 has still yet to go back into service

GM228 · 31-08-2019 1:03am

Matteo Salvini1 wrote: »

I believe WH3 has still yet to go back into service

WH3 has been on the 25 the last few days.

dublinman1990 · 11-10-2019 4:25pm

The VH's have been out now for a while. Has anyone used them yet?

Also; a photo of one of the AH's is on the ADL website.

Contrails · 11-10-2019 4:54pm

dublinman1990 wrote: »

Also; a photo of one of the AH's is on the ADL website.

Don't know anything about the VH but that AH is a smart looking Machine.

thomasj · 06-01-2020 4:21pm

Sorry for dragging up an old subject but.....

https://twitter.com/TFIupdates/status/1214192470160027649?s=09

Should we read into the fact that for this mornings JAM card PR they used one of the AH buses?

AlmightyCushion · 06-01-2020 4:25pm

Do we really need a card to tell drivers to be patient with people using the service? Surely, that's just part of the job.

punisher5112 · 06-01-2020 5:04pm

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Do we really need a card to tell drivers to be patient with people using the service? Surely, that's just part of the job.

It's actually the most stupidest thing I've yet to see come out.

We were all trained and can understand if someone needs that bit longer to sit or get up or just have issues or special needs....

I've probably offended someone saying that but I actually find it as a dig and condescending and making me as a driver out to be simple.

How have people got on until now?????

AlmightyCushion · 06-01-2020 5:18pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

It's actually the most stupidest thing I've yet to see come out.

We were all trained and can understand if someone needs that bit longer to sit or get up or just have issues or special needs....

I've probably offended someone saying that but I actually find it as a dig and condescending and making me as a driver out to be simple.

How have people got on until now?????

Yeah, I really don't get it. If someone is slow getting their change out or getting to their seat or whatever, what is the driver going to do different when they flash their JAM card. They are hardly roaring at people without the card to hurry the fúck up and if they are then that is the problem.

punisher5112 · 06-01-2020 5:20pm

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Yeah, I really don't get it. If someone is slow getting their change out or getting to their seat or whatever, what is the driver going to do different when they flash their JAM card. They are hardly roaring at people without the card to hurry the fúck up and if they are then that is the problem.

Another thing may I add is the people that say would need more time wouldn't even show their free travel pass so how will this change that....

I cringe looking at that photo.....

Muller1991 · 06-01-2020 5:38pm

I agree with you on how cringe it is, Just a further note to the actual tweet, I gather it will be simple enough to show a bus driver the card etc but how does a luas driver or Train/Dart driver see it ? Passengers are hardly gonna tap the window at them are they ?

Stupidity of the N.T.A never ceases to amaze me.

Markcheese · 06-01-2020 5:49pm

Well it's probably easier than making buses work like the luas ( kerbs at the same height as the bus door ,better stops ,driver just worrying about driving not revenue ... )

L1011 · 06-01-2020 6:12pm

I'd suspect it's just picked because it's the newest available and not read anything else in to it, getting back to the original question

GM228 · 06-01-2020 6:14pm

Muller1991 wrote: »

Stupidity of the N.T.A never ceases to amaze me.

The JAM card is not an NTA initiative.

Personally I don't see any issue with it and welcome it, the JAM card is designed with the user in mind, not the operator, it helps break down social/communication barriers and whilst as pointed out drivers will already know when someone may need extra time the user may not have the situation awareness or cognitive ability to realise the driver is already on their page, it gives the user a peace of mind.

GM228 · 06-01-2020 6:17pm

thomasj wrote: »

Sorry for dragging up an old subject but.....

https://twitter.com/TFIupdates/status/1214192470160027649?s=09

Should we read into the fact that for this mornings JAM card PR they used one of the AH buses?

I think the JAM card photos in the Tweet were taken the same time the AHs were delivered and photographed for promotional purposes so may aswell use the same bus.

punisher5112 · 06-01-2020 6:47pm

GM228 wrote: »

The JAM card is not an NTA initiative.

Personally I don't see any issue with it and welcome it, the JAM card is designed with the user in mind, not the operator, it helps break down social/communication barriers and whilst as pointed out drivers will already know when someone may need extra time the user may not have the situation awareness or cognitive ability to realise the driver is already on their page, it gives the user a peace of mind.

If they're that bad they won't show it as I said exactly the same as they don't tag on or show their pass as it is...

devnull · 06-01-2020 8:18pm

GM228 wrote: »

The JAM card is not an NTA initiative.

Personally I don't see any issue with it and welcome it, the JAM card is designed with the user in mind, not the operator, it helps break down social/communication barriers and whilst as pointed out drivers will already know when someone may need extra time the user may not have the situation awareness or cognitive ability to realise the driver is already on their page, it gives the user a peace of mind.

They probably used the newest, nearest vehicle that they could find and with the vehicles being environmentally friendly it's probably a good choice as well what with the Governments climate program.

I'm surprised that it's took until 2020 however for something like this to come out here, since despite the fact that the company behind it claims it's their great big innovation, it's actually seemingly based on an idea that has been promoted by the bus industry in the UK since 2015.

is_that_so · 06-01-2020 8:28pm

Not really been following the thread but curious about the hybrid buses mentioned. How many are already in service and planned to be in service?

L1011 · 06-01-2020 8:45pm

is_that_so wrote: »

Not really been following the thread but curious about the hybrid buses mentioned. How many are already in service and planned to be in service?

9, 3x3 types on trial. Well I think they're bought not demonstrators but it is to evaluate both whether they do save fuel and looking at non-Volvo chassis.

thenightman · 07-01-2020 10:43am

The AH's are lovely, so smooth compared to the others on trial. Have more room in seats due to the lower window frame height also, which means you can lean into them when both seats are occupied. Of course, this means NTA will probably just buy more of the awful Wright bodied buses instead!

punisher5112 · 07-01-2020 10:58am

thenightman wrote: »

The AH's are lovely, so smooth compared to the others on trial. Have more room in seats due to the lower window frame height also, which means you can lean into them when both seats are occupied. Of course, this means NTA will probably just buy more of the awful Wright bodied buses instead!

The SG is the most uncomfortable bus I've ever been a passenger on and driver.

ITV2 · 07-01-2020 11:46am

the SG400's with the new seat isnt too bad, and the engine software makes it a smooth drive.

punisher5112 · 07-01-2020 1:44pm

ITV2 wrote: »

the SG400's with the new seat isnt too bad, and the engine software makes it a smooth drive.

Have yet to see new seat in a 400.... High 500s 600 have the fancy seats.

Seen them now in a couple of the very low 1st batch ...

donvito99 · 07-01-2020 1:51pm

The AX bench seats are miles more uncomfortable than the SG bucket type seat.

devnull · 07-01-2020 7:39pm

donvito99 wrote: »

The AX bench seats are miles more uncomfortable than the SG bucket type seat.

Both seats are poor in my eyes, there are much better seats on offer such as the ones used on the initial Bus Eireann VWDs, even the lower spec ones used on recent Bus Eireann VWDs and the Dublin Bus AHs are better, even if the colour scheme of the interior is awful on the later.

VG31 · 07-01-2020 8:20pm

donvito99 wrote: »

The AX bench seats are miles more uncomfortable than the SG bucket type seat.

The legroom is also much better in the GTS and SGs.

I prefer the bucket type seats as it means people sitting at the window have to sit right in, they can't sit in the middle and spread out.

punisher5112 · 07-01-2020 8:30pm

VG31 wrote: »

The legroom is also much better in the GTS and SGs.

I prefer the bucket type seats as it means people sitting at the window have to sit right in, they can't sit in the middle and spread out.

I have no choice but to spread, knees do be in bits getting out...

thenightman · 08-01-2020 12:01pm

I'm 6'5 and 16 stone. I've no option other than to spread over in the poxy bucket seats. Luckily, I don't get a seat in the morning and evening commute anyway! Spent this mornings standing room only/sardine tin journey being repeatedly hit in the chest by the inconsiderate person in front of me's backpack!

Electric, Hydrogen & Hybrid Electric Buses in Ireland

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