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Australia bushfires

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    What has Australia gone through? 7 , soon to be 8 PMs in 12 years? Daniel Andrews should be future PM btw. He gets stuff done and is far more of a people person than stony Morrisson.

    I think conditions and the scale of the spread are worse than previous fires. It may eventually render the eastern seaboard of Australia uninhabitable if this happens every summer due to air quality.

    Canberra currently has the worst air quality in the world. A woman dropped dead straight after getting off a Qantas flight after having a respitory attack.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    how many of these fires are started deliberately or out of incompetence? very little discussion in the media

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,449 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Why don’t they get the firefighting aircraft currently sitting on the ground , in many countries going through winter , for a start? The way I see it is , you can’t sort out climate change quickly. They are going to have to get the army or reserves trained in fire fighting and have them working with firefighters ....

    The absolute pittance they have spent so far , versus the ecological damage done alone, is a bloody disgrace!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    silverharp wrote: »
    how many of these fires are started deliberately or out of incompetence? very little discussion in the media

    Believe it or not a lot some of the smoke from the fires are creating pyronimbus clouds which are creating their own storm systems and that in turn is creating lightening strikes.

    Other fires are caused by the wind carrying embers which in turn are igniting the land.

    It's absolutely bonkers. Hell on earth.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,356 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    What has Australia gone through? 7 , soon to be 8 PMs in 12 years? Daniel Andrews should be future PM btw. He gets stuff done and is far more of a people person than stony Morrisson.

    I think conditions and the scale of the spread are worse than previous fires. It may eventually render the eastern seaboard of Australia uninhabitable if this happens every summer due to air quality.

    Canberra currently has the worst air quality in the world. A woman dropped dead straight after getting off a Qantas flight after having a respitory attack.

    I'd expect that woman had other issues. Otherwise why was it only 1 person affected so rapidly?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,615 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    He's handling it fine it's just the usual outrage mob looking for something to moan about.

    Erm, he went to holidays to Hawaii in the middle of it.
    He’s being hounded by politicians, members of the public and victims.
    They’re chanting “**** Scott Morrison” at music concerts.
    Artworks of him in holiday clothing are popping up on walls and raising thousands.
    He’s being described as the worst Australian PM ever.
    He had to flee one town after forcing a woman to shake his hand, a firefighter also refused to shake his hand.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 369 ✭✭Ineedaname


    Erm, he went to holidays to Hawaii in the middle of it.
    He’s being hounded by politicians, members of the public and victims.
    They’re chanting “**** Scott Morrison” at music concerts.
    Artworks of him in holiday clothing are popping up on walls and raising thousands.
    He’s being described as the worst Australian PM ever.
    He had to flee one town after forcing a woman to shake his hand, a firefighter also refused to shake his hand.

    Not to mention he refused to compensate volunteer firefighters saying they wanted to be there. He only backtracked because of the backlash. Even then he offered them a pittance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,449 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    I’m just back from southern Australia. They don’t suffer morons there , the way we do here. Look , the pm should have known the flak he would get being abroad on leisure, rightly or wrongly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Believe it or not a lot some of the smoke from the fires are creating pyronimbus clouds which are creating their own storm systems and that in turn is creating lightening strikes.

    Other fires are caused by the wind carrying embers which in turn are igniting the land.

    It's absolutely bonkers. Hell on earth.

    I watched the BBC's news coverage of it and the reporter was standing outside well away from the fires but the sky was like a typical Irish winter's day as it was slate grey but instead of cloud it was smoke and it was blowing a gale, horrible for firefighters as the temperature is above 40c and embers are traveling miles on the winds and starting new blazes.
    They spoke to residents of another community who had taken to the beach just before police were ordering a mandatory evacuation. In some areas people were told to stay where they were as there was literally no way out or no way to get to them.
    Us living here in a generally wet country can't appreciate the scale of devastation as an area the size of Wales has either burned iris on fire.

    I have a relative living in NSW and he said that so far he's escaped the fires but the worry is there amongst everyone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,757 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,030 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    The eucalyptus are a real problem. They are highly inflammable, very tall & produce extremely high temperatures. They also easily produce embers in the form of a ball of fire that gets carried by the wind.

    The rebuild cost is going to be huge. There is also a serious problem with a shortage of water.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,887 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    These towns that have been hit by the fires are they situated in the middle of forests?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    JJayoo wrote: »
    These towns that have been hit by the fires are they situated in the middle of forests?

    Not necessarily,some are near them alright but even if you have trees in your garden and everything is tinder dry then even a few embers can turn it into an inferno so it doesn't take much for a building beside that to go up in flames and the process continues.


  • Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    In a single day an area of similar size burned in 1851 following drought. Australia should be more careful about expansion of population and agriculture.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Thursday_bushfires

    The Black Thursday bushfires, were caused in part by an intense drought that occurred throughout 1850 when the continent suffered from extreme heat. On 6 February 1851, a strong furnace-like wind came down from the north and gained power and speed as the hours passed. It is believed that the disaster began in Plenty Ranges when a couple of bullock drivers left logs burning unattended, which set fire to long, dry grass affected by the recent drought. The year preceding the fires was exceptionally hot and dry and this trend continued into 1851.

    The weather reached record extremes. By eleven it was about 47 °C


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Instead of apportioning blame and political points scoring how about we just wish everybody over there the best and hope they get through as best they can. It ****s me that every time a disaster happens whether it's fire/flood/hurricane etc people are more interested in scoring against the other side rather than actually worrying about the poor ****ers on the front line. I lived over there for a long time and my only concern is the safety of everybody. Good luck lads and keep safe. We can deal with the political fall out once they have everything under control which hopefully will be sooner rather than later.

    So.... Thoughts and prayers?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Erm, he went to holidays to Hawaii in the middle of it.
    He’s being hounded by politicians, members of the public and victims.
    They’re chanting “**** Scott Morrison” at music concerts.
    Artworks of him in holiday clothing are popping up on walls and raising thousands.
    He’s being described as the worst Australian PM ever.
    He had to flee one town after forcing a woman to shake his hand, a firefighter also refused to shake his hand.

    A highly competitive accolade. Since Kevin Rudd they've really elected a succession of right wing boneheads.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭vriesmays


    Between these fires and that volcano in New Zealand how much exactly will shutting down our peat industry impact on climate change.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,239 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Has the Austrailian pm asked for international help? They need it or more of it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    vriesmays wrote: »
    Between these fires and that volcano in New Zealand how much exactly will shutting down our peat industry impact on climate change.

    That's really an ecology issue for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,615 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    vriesmays wrote: »
    Between these fires and that volcano in New Zealand how much exactly will shutting down our peat industry impact on climate change.

    It’s going to protect them.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,623 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    Has the Austrailian pm asked for international help? They need it or more of it.
    There's fire fighters from S. Africa, the U.S and NZ there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,777 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    I'd expect that woman had other issues. Otherwise why was it only 1 person affected so rapidly?

    Absolutely she did and I wouldn't have thought that the impact would be that sudden but there are conditions that are significantly worsened by poor air quality. I can only imagine the air quality in some areas now.

    The EEA has estimated about 1100 people dying prematurely due to PM in outdoor air in Ireland every year. You can only.imagine the air quality in worst hit areas in Australia now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,239 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    There's fire fighters from S. Africa, the U.S and NZ there.
    They obv need more assistance the EU should step up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,348 ✭✭✭✭ricero


    What's it like in Sydney? Is the air pollution bad ? I say plenty of work is being disrupted if it is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,639 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    There's fire fighters from S. Africa, the U.S and NZ there.

    There are firefighters from NZ in Oz every year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    ricero wrote: »
    What's it like in Sydney? Is the air pollution bad ? I say plenty of work is being disrupted if it is.
    I don't know what it's like from day to day, but I recall an article recently about the air quality index there being over 2000. For comparison, 80-300 is typical in Beijing, and Dehli was off the scales at 999 last month.

    Looking at the real-time aqi maps, it's still very bad in parts of Australia (I see one meter at 999, and plenty north of 200), and likely still causing trouble for asthmatics and others with breathing problems.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 369 ✭✭Ineedaname


    A highly competitive accolade. Since Kevin Rudd they've really elected a succession of right wing boneheads.

    You can thank Rupert Murdoch for that. It's scary the control he has over the Aussie media. He has a massive influence on who gets elected.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,239 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    I don't know what it's like from day to day, but I recall an article recently about the air quality index there being over 2000. For comparison, 80-300 is typical in Beijing, and Dehli was off the scales at 999 last month.
    People in oz will be damaging their health then ^


  • Posts: 7,639 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ineedaname wrote: »
    You can thank Rupert Murdoch for that. It's scary the control he has over the Aussie media. He has a massive influence on who gets elected.

    The U.K. and U.S. too. He is a scourge on humanity who is responsible for a serious amount of the division and polaristion of opinion among these nations' inhabitants today.

    The likes of Murdoch and Edward Bernays, I really think society/the world could have done with them just being mechanics or doctors or factory workers, rather than them going on to accomplish what they actually did with their lives.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭Das Reich


    Didn't see Macron or any country blaming the Australian government like they did with Brazil. Strange.


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