Australia bushfires

The 2020s

Tomorrow is set to be the worst day of the bushfires that have been burning in NSW and Victoria over the last few weeks. Mass evacuations are ongoing and the situation is very serious.

mandrake04

Tomorrow is over 40 and it’s catastrophic conditions.

At the moment it’s not too bad, most fires are under control just 3 that are out of control.

BorneTobyWilde

How big is this fire, how many times bigger than the whole of Ireland is this fire 2, 3 ?

mandrake04

This gives you an idea

BorneTobyWilde

So basically whole of Ireland when it grows over next few days.

mandrake04

More or less, although a lot has burnt out by now.



This picture gives a better indication of individual fire sizes, some are very small but the larger ones are grey areas in the map.

ChikiChiki

Surprised to be only seeing a thread about it now. Have a lot of friends and family over there. It's an incredibly serious situation. Millions of animals killed, thousands of homes destroyed, multiple lives list.

Air quality in Sydney alone is gone to ****. People have been breathing smoky air for a couple of months.

A lot of the bushland that is burning are Eucalyptus trees and they tend to regenerate. This could be an ongoing issue for years to come.

mandrake04

Already a thread

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058036538

Bushfires are part of life in Australia.

The last large bushfires was back in 2013, a lot of the same areas that burned there burned again this year.

https://youtu.be/5fPAV9oy9aM?list=UUOEkGscgIYH05gZ-ldEagSA

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/as-it-happened-fears-of-mega-fire-on-day-5-of-nsw-bushfire-emergency

Muahahaha

The Prime Minister Scott Morrison seems to be coming under a bit of pressure of his handling of it. He went to an area devasted by fires and residents were abusing him in the streets and volunteer firefighters refused to shake hands and blanked him. Awkward.

X111111111111

Muahahaha wrote: »

The Prime Minister Scott Morrison seems to be coming under a bit of pressure of his handling of it. He went to an area devasted by fires and residents were abusing him in the streets and volunteer firefighters refused to shake hands and blanked him. Awkward.

He's handling it fine it's just the usual outrage mob looking for something to moan about.

Maewyn Succat

X111111111111 wrote: »

He's handling it fine it's just the usual outrage mob looking for something to moan about.

Are you serious? In what way has he handled any of it fine?

Millionaire only not

Maewyn Succat wrote: »

Are you serious? In what way has he handled any of it fine?

Dead right he should have a fire extinguisher to put it out !
He’s a public servant what the hell do they think a person can do
Fair enough his holiday thing wasn’t right , but they were probably booked and paid for !

lab man

seemingly the aborigines told the farmers that this would happen

Timistry

lab man wrote: »

seemingly the aborigines told the farmers that this would happen

Of course they did, since its their ancestral land which they have roamed and farmed for 10,000s of years and have a deep understanding of.

jam_mac_jam

X111111111111 wrote: »

He's handling it fine it's just the usual outrage mob looking for something to moan about.

Yeah those firefighters are snowflakes.

Ineedaname

Millionaire only not wrote: »

Dead right he should have a fire extinguisher to put it out !
He’s a public servant what the hell do they think a person can do
Fair enough his holiday thing wasn’t right , but they were probably booked and paid for !

I doubt anyone expects him to be out in the field in fairness. But when you consider the fact that the country is burning and you've repeatedly shown you don't give a **** you're going to get criticized.

X111111111111

Timistry wrote: »

Of course they did, since its their ancestral land which they have roamed and farmed for 10,000s of years and have a deep understanding of.

But i thought all this was due to climate change?

Dakota Dan

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Surprised to be only seeing a thread about it now. Have a lot of friends and family over there. It's an incredibly serious situation. Millions of animals killed, thousands of homes destroyed, multiple lives list.

Air quality in Sydney alone is gone to ****. People have been breathing smoky air for a couple of months.

A lot of the bushland that is burning are Eucalyptus trees and they tend to regenerate. This could be an ongoing issue for years to come.

The greens are to blame, banning controlled burning and fire breaks.

Dakota Dan

mandrake04 wrote: »

Already a thread

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058036538

Bushfires are part of life in Australia.

The last large bushfires was back in 2013, a lot of the same areas that burned there burned again this year.

https://youtu.be/5fPAV9oy9aM?list=UUOEkGscgIYH05gZ-ldEagSA

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/as-it-happened-fears-of-mega-fire-on-day-5-of-nsw-bushfire-emergency

Except they didn’t hype it up in the media back then as agenda 21/30 was too far away.

Dakota Dan

X111111111111 wrote: »

But i thought all this was due to climate change?

The thought made a fool of you.

Maewyn Succat

Millionaire only not wrote: »

Dead right he should have a fire extinguisher to put it out !
He’s a public servant what the hell do they think a person can do
Fair enough his holiday thing wasn’t right , but they were probably booked and paid for !

The last thing Australia needs is Scott Morrison with a fire extinguisher.
Here are some ways he could have dealt with it better:

https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/2-top-story-of-2019-11-things-scott-morrison-could-have-done-for-the-bushfire-emergency--but-didnt,13449

As usual he chose to ignore advice given to him though and do his own thing.

Timistry

X111111111111 wrote: »

But i thought all this was due to climate change?

Well climatologists have been saying for years that Australian summers will become longer and drier. Some parts have not seen notable rain in a few years now which has turned the bus into a tinder box. The models are slowly being verified over time.

Pauliedragon

Instead of apportioning blame and political points scoring how about we just wish everybody over there the best and hope they get through as best they can. It ****s me that every time a disaster happens whether it's fire/flood/hurricane etc people are more interested in scoring against the other side rather than actually worrying about the poor ****ers on the front line. I lived over there for a long time and my only concern is the safety of everybody. Good luck lads and keep safe. We can deal with the political fall out once they have everything under control which hopefully will be sooner rather than later.

Ned Led Zeppo

I'm surprised not a single firebreak cut in the jungle of forestry.
There's more trees than sense, in that country.

Pauliedragon

Ned Led Zeppo wrote: »

I'm surprised not a single firebreak cut in the jungle of forestry.
There's more trees than sense, in that country.

The green party are responsible for that. Have you noticed they've been very quiet during this disaster.

listermint

Pauliedragon wrote: »

The green party are responsible for that. Have you noticed they've been very quiet during this disaster.

Ha ha ha haaaa


You lasted one post before you broke your previous post.

. hypocrite.

Spanish Eyes

Isolationist countries like Oz ask for no help from anyone, or so it seems to me. Sorry if that offends anyone, but with a PM like yer man SCOMO, gawd help them.

Christian Fundie who thinks these fires will sort out the men from the boys and has no truck with climate issues. Oh dear.

Pauliedragon

listermint wrote: »

Ha ha ha haaaa


You lasted one post before you broke your previous post.

. hypocrite.

No I didn't. I blame all sides of politics for whats going on there. My last post was replying specifically replying to Zeppos question.

rossie1977

Muahahaha wrote: »

The Prime Minister Scott Morrison seems to be coming under a bit of pressure of his handling of it. He went to an area devasted by fires and residents were abusing him in the streets and volunteer firefighters refused to shake hands and blanked him. Awkward.

He's a goofball. Was holidaying in Hawaii middle of crisis until public backlash brought him back to Australia.

Harry Palmr

The drier it is and the hotter is it for longer the quicker stuff burns.

In the long run it could mean zones beyond the big cities and towns are uninsurable for fire risk. In the meantime there will be plenty of premature deaths among the sick, elderly etc from inhalation.

mandrake04

I’m a voter and Scott Morrison even though he is wasn’t really the man in charge of what is a state matter he shouldn’t have went on holidays but should stayed home and supported his Premiers he is a fool and he knows it now

Bush fires nothing new, they come in cycles and the climate card is over played on this and the Indian Ocean Diphole not well understood.

The reality is late wet winter/early Spring (September) followed by dry hot summer, and due to westerly winds decreased window for HRBs. The greens have their mitts over it to a certain extent but legislation on who can HRB between National Parks and RFS which is State government all has part to play.

Even old big ears Daniel Andrew’s admits to much Politics and we should be all pulling together.

ChikiChiki

What has Australia gone through? 7 , soon to be 8 PMs in 12 years? Daniel Andrews should be future PM btw. He gets stuff done and is far more of a people person than stony Morrisson.

I think conditions and the scale of the spread are worse than previous fires. It may eventually render the eastern seaboard of Australia uninhabitable if this happens every summer due to air quality.

Canberra currently has the worst air quality in the world. A woman dropped dead straight after getting off a Qantas flight after having a respitory attack.

silverharp

how many of these fires are started deliberately or out of incompetence? very little discussion in the media

Idbatterim

Why don’t they get the firefighting aircraft currently sitting on the ground , in many countries going through winter , for a start? The way I see it is , you can’t sort out climate change quickly. They are going to have to get the army or reserves trained in fire fighting and have them working with firefighters ....

The absolute pittance they have spent so far , versus the ecological damage done alone, is a bloody disgrace!

ChikiChiki

silverharp wrote: »

how many of these fires are started deliberately or out of incompetence? very little discussion in the media

Believe it or not a lot some of the smoke from the fires are creating pyronimbus clouds which are creating their own storm systems and that in turn is creating lightening strikes.

Other fires are caused by the wind carrying embers which in turn are igniting the land.

It's absolutely bonkers. Hell on earth.

Dravokivich

ChikiChiki wrote: »

What has Australia gone through? 7 , soon to be 8 PMs in 12 years? Daniel Andrews should be future PM btw. He gets stuff done and is far more of a people person than stony Morrisson.

I think conditions and the scale of the spread are worse than previous fires. It may eventually render the eastern seaboard of Australia uninhabitable if this happens every summer due to air quality.

Canberra currently has the worst air quality in the world. A woman dropped dead straight after getting off a Qantas flight after having a respitory attack.

I'd expect that woman had other issues. Otherwise why was it only 1 person affected so rapidly?

Cody montana

X111111111111 wrote: »

He's handling it fine it's just the usual outrage mob looking for something to moan about.

Erm, he went to holidays to Hawaii in the middle of it.
He’s being hounded by politicians, members of the public and victims.
They’re chanting “**** Scott Morrison” at music concerts.
Artworks of him in holiday clothing are popping up on walls and raising thousands.
He’s being described as the worst Australian PM ever.
He had to flee one town after forcing a woman to shake his hand, a firefighter also refused to shake his hand.

Ineedaname

Cody montana wrote: »

Erm, he went to holidays to Hawaii in the middle of it.
He’s being hounded by politicians, members of the public and victims.
They’re chanting “**** Scott Morrison” at music concerts.
Artworks of him in holiday clothing are popping up on walls and raising thousands.
He’s being described as the worst Australian PM ever.
He had to flee one town after forcing a woman to shake his hand, a firefighter also refused to shake his hand.

Not to mention he refused to compensate volunteer firefighters saying they wanted to be there. He only backtracked because of the backlash. Even then he offered them a pittance.

Idbatterim

I’m just back from southern Australia. They don’t suffer morons there , the way we do here. Look , the pm should have known the flak he would get being abroad on leisure, rightly or wrongly.

Cantona's Collars

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Believe it or not a lot some of the smoke from the fires are creating pyronimbus clouds which are creating their own storm systems and that in turn is creating lightening strikes.

Other fires are caused by the wind carrying embers which in turn are igniting the land.

It's absolutely bonkers. Hell on earth.

I watched the BBC's news coverage of it and the reporter was standing outside well away from the fires but the sky was like a typical Irish winter's day as it was slate grey but instead of cloud it was smoke and it was blowing a gale, horrible for firefighters as the temperature is above 40c and embers are traveling miles on the winds and starting new blazes.
They spoke to residents of another community who had taken to the beach just before police were ordering a mandatory evacuation. In some areas people were told to stay where they were as there was literally no way out or no way to get to them.
Us living here in a generally wet country can't appreciate the scale of devastation as an area the size of Wales has either burned iris on fire.

I have a relative living in NSW and he said that so far he's escaped the fires but the worry is there amongst everyone.

nacho libre

X111111111111 wrote: »

But i thought all this was due to climate change?

https://www.smh.com.au/national/arson-mischief-and-recklessness-87-per-cent-of-fires-are-man-made-20191117-p53bcl.html

Discodog

The eucalyptus are a real problem. They are highly inflammable, very tall & produce extremely high temperatures. They also easily produce embers in the form of a ball of fire that gets carried by the wind.

The rebuild cost is going to be huge. There is also a serious problem with a shortage of water.

JJayoo

These towns that have been hit by the fires are they situated in the middle of forests?

Cantona's Collars

JJayoo wrote: »

These towns that have been hit by the fires are they situated in the middle of forests?

Not necessarily,some are near them alright but even if you have trees in your garden and everything is tinder dry then even a few embers can turn it into an inferno so it doesn't take much for a building beside that to go up in flames and the process continues.

In a single day an area of similar size burned in 1851 following drought. Australia should be more careful about expansion of population and agriculture.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Thursday_bushfires

The Black Thursday bushfires, were caused in part by an intense drought that occurred throughout 1850 when the continent suffered from extreme heat. On 6 February 1851, a strong furnace-like wind came down from the north and gained power and speed as the hours passed. It is believed that the disaster began in Plenty Ranges when a couple of bullock drivers left logs burning unattended, which set fire to long, dry grass affected by the recent drought. The year preceding the fires was exceptionally hot and dry and this trend continued into 1851.

The weather reached record extremes. By eleven it was about 47 °C

Guy:Incognito

Pauliedragon wrote: »

Instead of apportioning blame and political points scoring how about we just wish everybody over there the best and hope they get through as best they can. It ****s me that every time a disaster happens whether it's fire/flood/hurricane etc people are more interested in scoring against the other side rather than actually worrying about the poor ****ers on the front line. I lived over there for a long time and my only concern is the safety of everybody. Good luck lads and keep safe. We can deal with the political fall out once they have everything under control which hopefully will be sooner rather than later.

So.... Thoughts and prayers?

Harry Palmr

Cody montana wrote: »

Erm, he went to holidays to Hawaii in the middle of it.
He’s being hounded by politicians, members of the public and victims.
They’re chanting “**** Scott Morrison” at music concerts.
Artworks of him in holiday clothing are popping up on walls and raising thousands.
He’s being described as the worst Australian PM ever.
He had to flee one town after forcing a woman to shake his hand, a firefighter also refused to shake his hand.

A highly competitive accolade. Since Kevin Rudd they've really elected a succession of right wing boneheads.

vriesmays

Between these fires and that volcano in New Zealand how much exactly will shutting down our peat industry impact on climate change.

ILoveYourVibes

Has the Austrailian pm asked for international help? They need it or more of it.

Harry Palmr

vriesmays wrote: »

Between these fires and that volcano in New Zealand how much exactly will shutting down our peat industry impact on climate change.

That's really an ecology issue for me.

Cody montana

vriesmays wrote: »

Between these fires and that volcano in New Zealand how much exactly will shutting down our peat industry impact on climate change.

It’s going to protect them.