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Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

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  • #9182
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    J Mysterio wrote: »
    Did they punish the Greeks?

    Are they seeking to punish the UK for leaving?

    The world watched them punish Greece and Ireland, but you are off your head if you think that they could try it with the UK. The UK still has the pound, is a permanent member of the UN Security Council and is a daylight mile ahead of the rest of the EU as a a security force. Such efforts on the UK would spell the end of the EU. This isn't a game....there is lots of people in the UK who want to see the EU punished just for some of the tricks they tried on with May. There is zero tolerance out there for any more antics from the EU without some severe consequences for them.


  • #9183
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    The world watched them punish Greece and Ireland, but you are off your head if you think that they could try it with the UK. The UK still has the pound, is a permanent member of the UN Security Council and is a daylight mile ahead of the rest of the EU as a a security force. Such efforts on the UK would spell the end of the EU. This isn't a game....there is lots of people in the UK who want to see the EU punished just for some of the tricks they tried on with May. There is zero tolerance out there for any more antics from the EU without some severe consequences for them.

    So it'll simply be a beautiful No Deal. I hope those people wanting to punish the EU for "what they did to May" will also want to punish Boris for paying billions and putting a border in his own country for literally nothing in the event of no final deal.

    Splitting your country just to get into trade talks. High testosterone manly behaviour indeed.


  • #9184
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    So it'll simply be a beautiful No Deal. I hope those people wanting to punish the EU for "what they did to May" will also want to punish Boris for paying billions and putting a border in his own country for literally nothing in the event of no final deal.

    Splitting your country just to get into trade talks. High testosterone manly behaviour indeed.

    What did he split? Scotland as anyone with a brain, 🧠knows isn't going anywhere.
    Hoping and praying he can off load the economic basket case of the north is sound business and if he can pull it off then fair play to him. People if Britain really doesn't care.
    The harsh truth is also the fact the north would cost Ireland about 25 years of economic development...all the talk and posturing over a place that even under the most romantic of dreams would be a utter disaster to inherit.


  • #9185
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    Scotland as anyone with a brain, 🧠knows isn't going anywhere.

    Why not?


  • #9186
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,320 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    cryptocurrency wrote:
    What did he split? Scotland as anyone with a brain, 🧠knows isn't going anywhere. Hoping and praying he can off load the economic basket case of the north is sound business and if he can pull it off then fair play to him. People if Britain really doesn't care. The harsh truth is also the fact the north would cost Ireland about 25 years of economic development...all the talk and posturing over a place that even under the most romantic of dreams would be a utter disaster to inherit.


    We potentially could be looking at the breakup of the uk here


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  • #9187
    timetogo1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 892 ✭✭✭timetogo1


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    The harsh truth is also the fact the north would cost Ireland about 25 years of economic development...all the talk and posturing over a place that even under the most romantic of dreams would be a utter disaster to inherit.

    1: When we have referendums we tend to outline the plan of what will happen for both scenarios so the people vote on something definite rather than romantic notions. There are people with the romantic notions, they're not the majority.

    2: Good job we're part of the EU so we could create a plan with our partners to improve NI rather than just romantically decide to take NI back. And NI have to agree too.

    3: How many years of economic development is Brexit costing the UK? You're in favour of that but against NI rejoining with Ireland because of similar negatives. I agree NI is a disaster and we couldnt take it back without a major plan and help.

    Anyway this isn't something that is going to happen soon. Its more likely now thanks to Brexit but Ireland isn't stupid. I'd say give it a decade or 2.


  • #9188
    davedanon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    crypto reminds me of a kid in a schoolyard with a bigger friend, that's being beaten up by an even bigger kid. crypto's going "yeah, just keep on hitting him. Sooner or later, he's gonna get MAD. And then you'll be sorry!"


  • #9189
    woohoo!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭woohoo!!!


    The world is looking and thinks the US and UK have lost their marbles. Splendid isolation in a global world is a fantasy.


  • #9190
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    We potentially could be looking at the breakup of the uk here

    The UK maybe but Britain no. The UK would be a masterstroke

    Who would look after the north then, who could afford the £12billion deficit


  • #9191
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    woohoo!!! wrote: »
    The world is looking and thinks the US and UK have lost their marbles. Splendid isolation in a global world is a fantasy.

    The World has always looked at the UK and US that way. They still can't do anything about it. They can look on as much as they like, but they can't isolate and they just have to accept it. Its not their world to do anything about it.

    Please add Israel in with the UK and US. Watch and get the hump all you like, it will male no difference.


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  • #9192
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,320 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    The UK maybe but Britain no. The UK would be a masterstroke

    Who would look after the north then, who could afford the £12billion deficit

    if the uk breaks up, expect big problems, including for us

    money creation is relatively easy, financial institutions can simply create it, id imagine eu institutions would step in to help with funding of the north


  • #9193
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    if the uk breaks up, expect big problems, including for us

    money creation is relatively easy, financial institutions can simply create it, id imagine eu institutions would step in to help with funding of the north

    Very limited funding, huge austerity and restructuring and utter chaos.

    And it would kick off.


  • #9194
    woohoo!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭woohoo!!!


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    The World has always looked at the UK and US that way. They still can't do anything about it. They can look on as much as they like, but they can't isolate and they just have to accept it. Its not their world to do anything about it.

    Please add Israel in with the UK and US. Watch and get the hump all you like, it will male no difference.
    In terms of allies, Israel is consistent. The US and UK have recently being pissing off their allies, more so than usual. I think beyond exiting the EU, the UK doesn't really know what it wants or what's realistically achievable in a short time frame. I think NATO is under serious threat of fragmentation.


  • #9195
    woohoo!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭woohoo!!!


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    Very limited funding, huge austerity and restructuring and utter chaos.

    And it would kick off.
    I agree that's the future by staying in the UK.


  • #9196
    SantaCruz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 228 ✭✭SantaCruz


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    The world watched them punish Greece and Ireland, but you are off your head if you think that they could try it with the UK. The UK still has the pound, is a permanent member of the UN Security Council and is a daylight mile ahead of the rest of the EU as a a security force. Such efforts on the UK would spell the end of the EU. This isn't a game....there is lots of people in the UK who want to see the EU punished just for some of the tricks they tried on with May. There is zero tolerance out there for any more antics from the EU without some severe consequences for them.

    You forgot the nuclear weapons. Remember the nukes.

    These, combined with a permananent seat at the UN, makes them a country immune to economic decline somewhow, isn't that right Ron?


  • #9197
    SantaCruz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 228 ✭✭SantaCruz


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    The UK maybe but Britain no. The UK would be a masterstroke

    Who would look after the north then, who could afford the £12billion deficit
    Even if we lose, it will be on purpose, and a masterstroke!

    Priceless :pac:


  • #9198
    theological
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,831 ✭✭✭theological


    SantaCruz wrote: »
    The money markets will move to where the money is. Far from the EU being cut off from the financial markets, the London market will lose importance.

    I find the notion that the financial markets will wave bye bye to EU business for some reason to be absolutely absurd.

    Where else do you propose doing this business considering that no other place outside of London or Zurich in Europe has this infrastructure?

    There have been attempts to move it to another place but no-one can agree where it should be. The important thing is that it needs to be in one place.

    From financial institutions the moves so far have been in hundreds rather than thousands and most preparations for Brexit are already done. The FCA asked banks to provide their plans two years ago for different scenarios and in many cases they have been acted on.


  • #9199
    RasTa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,111 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    Thought this guy would be retired on all his bitcoin profits by now


  • #9200
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    The world watched them punish Greece and Ireland, but you are off your head if you think that they could try it with the UK. The UK still has the pound, is a permanent member of the UN Security Council and is a daylight mile ahead of the rest of the EU as a a security force. Such efforts on the UK would spell the end of the EU. This isn't a game....there is lots of people in the UK who want to see the EU punished just for some of the tricks they tried on with May. There is zero tolerance out there for any more antics from the EU without some severe consequences for them.


    That's great that they still have the pound.

    As I'm sure you are aware, George Soros, basically on his own, spotted a weakness and manipulated the pound to make huge amounts of money in the 90's.
    The UK lost something like 1bn trying to defend the pound but in the end up had to concede defeat and give up.
    It forced them out of the ERM, which no doubt you will say is something they planned all along.......despite that 1bn they spent at the time trying to prop it up!

    Of course, one man, George Soros, is infinitely more powerful and wealthy than the weak and fragile EU countries though I suppose.


  • #9201
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,243 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    We potentially could be looking at the breakup of the uk here

    The UK has broken up to all intents and purposes. It is a deadman walking politically and is in divisive chaos internally.

    We in the EU are trying for three years to deal with that, and have dealt with it, largely.

    The final hurdle is to manage the actual exit now in the least damaging way to us.

    And of course prepare for Cypto and his mates revenge. :)


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  • #9202
    SantaCruz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 228 ✭✭SantaCruz


    theological wrote: »
    Where else do you propose doing this business considering that no other place outside of London or Zurich in Europe has this infrastructure?
    Can you please elaborate on the nature of this 'infrastructure'?


  • #9203
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,320 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    cryptocurrency wrote:
    Very limited funding, huge austerity and restructuring and utter chaos.


    Funding is virtually unlimited, with billions, if not trillions in savings within EU financial institutions, and with major institutions such as the ecb, eib, etc etc having the ability to effectively create money on tab, the funds are there.

    Austerity, what a load of nonsense that one is, it's well proven how much damage it does to a society, both the uk and ourselves have experienced it.


  • #9204
    davedanon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    It was imposed on us. I've never understood why the UK went down that road - apart from the Tories being heartless ****s, of course.


  • #9205
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    major institutions such as the ecb, eib, etc etc having the ability to effectively create money on tab,


    Creating money out of thin air makes money less valuable. It is pretty much valueless against gold already that's before you think of who pays for the money that is created? The answer is, your children and your children's children. The "creation" of money is what caused the fall of many empires. It was the chief cause of the economic downturn in 08/09 and the recession that followed after. Have we learned nothing?


  • #9206
    davedanon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    The gold standard was abolished decades ago. QE is commonplace the world over now. Not saying it's always a good thing, but it's not some harebrained thing the EU would be pursuing on its own. And the nub of the point about NI is correct. If Brexit ended up creating a united Ireland, the north's £10-12bn subsidy would be chump change in EU terms, and I could see the north receiving some sort of structural funds, or some other financial assistance to ameliorate the damage to the two economies which would otherwise be caused.


  • #9207
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    If the uk wanted us to take over the 6 then we would only agree to it if they were willing to continue to fund the economy up there.

    Or else the eu would underwrite it.

    I cant see how it would ever be a united ireland with the gardai replacing the psni etc., they would have to continue some way independent to pacify unionists.


  • #9208
    Smiles35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭Smiles35


    Nothing has to be done with the north. To northerners this is bluecard country (The EU's version of a greencard is called a bluecard.) If Ireland and the E.U. want to help the north financially then the best way would be to provide solid jobs here down south. Their burden on Britian balancing their books (if it does become an issue) will be lessened then.


  • #9209
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,243 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    easypazz wrote: »
    If the uk wanted us to take over the 6 then we would only agree to it if they were willing to continue to fund the economy up there.

    Or else the eu would underwrite it.

    I cant see how it would ever be a united ireland with the gardai replacing the psni etc., they would have to continue some way independent to pacify unionists.

    The north is on a collision course
    with a decision on it's future and how much longer we on these islands can continue to fool ourselves.
    IMO the forward looking entities with regard to the north are those who want a full, frank and transparent conversation on what that future will look like.

    https://twitter.com/JP_Biz/status/1213076859568738305


  • #9210
    First Up
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    FrancieBrady wrote:
    The north is on a collision course with a decision on it's future and how much longer we on these islands can continue to fool ourselves. IMO the forward looking entities with regard to the north are those who want a full, frank and transparent conversation on what that future will look like.


    No rush; there's enough to think about in the present without bringing the future into it. I'll be happy if the all-island economy prospers within EU/SM conditions. Let the political stuff wait.


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  • #9211
    knipex
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭knipex


    Boredstiff666 wrote: »

    What the actual rules are I have no idea or care even less.

    Just the clarify

    The rules suck. The UK will be sooo much better off without them. BUT you have no idea what the rules are and don't really care. BUT your informed.

    Did I miss anything ?
    Boredstiff666 wrote: »

    But on that point what ever the rules the the UK can not be forced in anyway to buy stuff of any EU country after Brexit.........unless there is some agreement made.


    That's not how it works either.
    In or out of the EU you can trade with who you like. Indeed within the EU there are a significant number of trade deals you can take advantage of.

    The only impact is the tarriff you pay or charge. (this is assuming the product you want to import into the EU meets safety and quality standards)

    UK have said that they will ot impose tarriffs to ensure that they can continue to import products at no extra cost. So Irish suppliers can continue to supp,y to UK at in extra cost.

    However the UK have said they will not enforce strict EU safety and quality standards, so its possible that Irish suppliers will be competing with low quality imports which would of course damage margins or cost then business.

    Then EU on the other hand will unless a trade deal is reached charge WTO tariffs to imports from the UK and will insist that all imports meet their safety, quality and environmental standards.


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