Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

Imreoir2 · 02-01-2020 11:15PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Are you saying the BBC, pro EU BBC, bury the documentary on BBC4 BBC, edited this and it's not true?

The BBC version of the clip is entirely fine, putting the segment in question in the proper context of Mrs May trying to back out on the backstop.

The edited clip that was posted on this thread as "secret footage" takes away that context and tries to make it look like the conversation among EU officials was the EU's own plans for Ireland instead of their concerns at what they thought the UK were doing. Essentially it was a rather poor effort at blaiming the EU for what the UK was actually doing.

cryptocurrency · 02-01-2020 11:21PM

Imreoir2 wrote: »

The BBC version of the clip is entirely fine, putting the segment in question in the proper context of Mrs May trying to back out on the backstop.

The edited clip that was posted on this thread as "secret footage" takes away that context and tries to make it look like the conversation among EU officials was the EU's own plans for Ireland instead of their concerns at what they thought the UK were doing. Essentially it was a rather poor effort at blaiming the EU for what the UK was actually doing.

The BBC documentary was enough to turn anyone into a hard brexiteer. They come across a right odious bunch.

Guy Verhofstadt may be the most unlikable person in global politics.

First Up · 02-01-2020 11:22PM

cryptocurrency wrote:

with the current deal that won't happen. It is up to the EU how complicated it wants to make it for us in the future. The UK has no interest in anything but free flowing trade.

I've got news for you. Free flowing trade will be the first casualty of Brexit. The UK has chosen to become a third country and will be treated as such.

cryptocurrency · 02-01-2020 11:25PM

First Up wrote: »

I've got news for you. Free flowing trade will be the first casualty of Brexit. The UK has chosen to become a third country and will be treated as such.

And please enlighten us how you envison that status for the UK in the shadow of the mighty and unified EU :pac:

easypazz · 02-01-2020 11:36PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

The UK has no interest in anything but free flowing trade.

Jesus wept. They voted themselves out of the free flowing trade market that is the EU.

03-01-2020 12:22AM

First Up wrote: »

Which won't be the case after Brexit.

Why not? It makes no sense to change it.

cryptocurrency · 03-01-2020 12:25AM

easypazz wrote: »

Jesus wept. They voted themselves out of the free flowing trade market that is the EU.

It's actually quite restrictive and the EU are stickking their nose more and more into the members business where it is not wanted.

Padre_Pio · 03-01-2020 12:29AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

It's actually quite restrictive and the EU are stickking their nose more and more into the members business where it is not wanted.

How?
Please give examples.

Given the evidence availalbe now, what is the UK going to do with relation to European trade that is different from the current situation?

easypazz · 03-01-2020 12:34AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

It's actually quite restrictive and the EU are stickking their nose more and more into the members business where it is not wanted.

:D

You are good for a laugh, I will give you that.

Irish Praetorian · 03-01-2020 12:39AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

That nails the end of 2019. A year we are all glad to have seen passed. The year the masses started to wake up to wokeness

Yeah I've fairly mixed feelings about this; on the one hand people are starting to ask if getting their water from the well is the purest and cleanest they can get, which is in theory good. But the practical result seems to be people getting their water from the cesspit, the animal trough or the creek that the animals crap in.

I don't come to this debate from the same perspective as most people here, taking a more conservative view on quite a few positions. But guess what, this great shift to the right hasn't led to a mass adoption of the views of nuanced thinkers like Douglas Murray, it's led to people adopting the vapid nonsense of rags like the Daily Mail.

davedanon · 03-01-2020 12:43AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

The BBC documentary was enough to turn anyone into a hard brexiteer. They come across a right odious bunch.

Guy Verhofstadt may be the most unlikable person in global politics.

I thought it reflected very well on them that they allowed the filmmakers such amazing access. Imagine that happening here. Not a hope. They came across pretty well, too, though I could have done without a topless Verhofstadt. It's simply unimaginable that the Brexiters would have allowed anything like that. Dominic Cummings would have come across like Nosferatu in a special Halloween-themed episode of The Thick of It.

davedanon · 03-01-2020 12:44AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

The BBC documentary was enough to turn anyone into a hard brexiteer. They come across a right odious bunch.

Guy Verhofstadt may be the most unlikable person in global politics.

I've met him. He's not.

cryptocurrency · 03-01-2020 01:18AM

davedanon wrote: »

I thought it reflected very well on them that they allowed the filmmakers such amazing access. Imagine that happening here. Not a hope. They came across pretty well, too, though I could have done without a topless Verhofstadt. It's simply unimaginable that the Brexiters would have allowed anything like that. Dominic Cummings would have come across like Nosferatu in a special Halloween-themed episode of The Thick of It.

It really doesn't matter about your view of it or him, it was a disaster for the EU and the footage showed some very distrubing views.

The programme along must have sealed it for a couple of more million.

davedanon · 03-01-2020 01:32AM

How was it 'a disaster', exactly? The EU is sitting pretty in the catbird seat.

cryptocurrency · 03-01-2020 01:37AM

davedanon wrote: »

How was it 'a disaster', exactly? The EU is sitting pretty in the catbird seat.

We considering they don't want the Uk to leave and are on repeat saying it outwardly then the behind the scene cameras showing what they really planned to do with the backstop etc.. showed the UK people just how untrustworthy they are.

The show as a disaster as it was a massive boost to the leave side.

davedanon · 03-01-2020 01:52AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

We considering they don't want the Uk to leave and are on repeat saying it outwardly then the behind the scene cameras showing what they really planned to do with the backstop etc.. showed the UK people just how untrustworthy they are.

The show as a disaster as it was a massive boost to the leave side.

Yes, they didn't want them to leave. That was an entirely sensible position.

What they really planned to do with the backstop? You keep saying this, without providing any evidence. Where's the smoking gun? What does Barnier, or anyone, say that proves this contention? Give me an actual quote that you feel establishes this.

And lastly, the doc was screened this year. How could it be a 'massive boost to the Leave side'? The referendum was 3 years ago.

cryptocurrency · 03-01-2020 01:56AM

davedanon wrote: »

Yes, they didn't want them to leave. That was an entirely sensible position.

What they really planned to do with the backstop? You keep saying this, without providing any evidence. Where's the smoking gun? What does Barnier, or anyone, say that proves this contention? Give me an actual quote that you feel establishes this.

And lastly, the doc was screened this year. How could it be a 'massive boost to the Leave side'? The referendum was 3 years ago.

It boosted support for Boris.

Barnier admitted in it they would use rhe backstop and NI as leverage to keep the UK in the SM/CU

They don't care about Ireland otherwise.

davedanon · 03-01-2020 01:59AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

It boosted support for Boris.

Barnier admitted in it they would use rhe backstop and NI as leverage to keep the UK in the SM/CU

They don't care about Ireland otherwise.

I doubt very many voters watched it. Boris didn't need any boost in support.

A quote. I asked for a quote, not your unsupported assertions.

The last has been shown to be demonstrably untrue.

You are a clown.

Junkyard Tom · 03-01-2020 02:03AM

Cryspycurranty is applying the Homer-Simpson-Boxing-strategy to the Brexit discussion. Let them keep punching you in the head until they're exhausted and then push them over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHTxOlFfUa0

J Mysterio · 03-01-2020 02:11AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

https://dominiccummings.com/

Jobs here if anyone is interested

His most recent article on those who no.10 are looking to hire... it's so... confused. It's beyond laughable. Almost upsetting. It's the worst type of recruiter blurb/ job spec I think I have ever seen. It's at once attempting to be cutting edge and... Grunge? Student chic? They are looking for 'weirdo's', but 'from the best universities'. The project manager bit in particular is just so poorly written I can't quite beleive it. This lad may well be on heroin.

J Mysterio · 03-01-2020 02:29AM

I'm starting to think Cummings might be the greatest spy there ever was, almost single handedly destroying the UK in just a few years, and taking the absolute piss while doing it. Rubbishing all UK insitutions and actively bringing in the most bizarre people in the most ridiculous fashion to wreak the most damage. This stuff just cannot be serious, it's utterly lamentable. The fella is like the love child of Steve Jobs and the author of the Anarchist Cookbook: new age corporate speak intertwined with nihilistic nonsense. An absolute horror. It's all buzzwords, dodgy quotes and obscure articles - this apparently demonstrates some sort of competence and leadership.

cryptocurrency · 03-01-2020 02:32AM

J Mysterio wrote: »

I'm starting to think Cummings might be the greatest spy there ever was, almost single handedly destroying the UK in just a few years, and taking the absolute piss while doing it. Rubbishing all UK insitutions and actively bringing in the most bizarre people in the most ridiculous fashion to wreak the most damage. This stuff just cannot be serious, it's utterly lamentable. The fella is like the love child of Steve Jobs and the author of the Anarchist Cookbook: new age corporate speak intertwined with nihilistic nonsense. An absolute horror.

If you actually do think that then you are more lost then we thought

J Mysterio · 03-01-2020 02:37AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

If you actually do think that then you are more lost then we thought

Who is 'we'? Speak for yourself, for what that's worth (very little).

03-01-2020 04:31AM

J Mysterio wrote: »

I'm starting to think Cummings might be the greatest spy there ever was, almost single handedly destroying the UK in just a few years, and taking the absolute piss while doing it. Rubbishing all UK insitutions and actively bringing in the most bizarre people in the most ridiculous fashion to wreak the most damage. This stuff just cannot be serious, it's utterly lamentable. The fella is like the love child of Steve Jobs and the author of the Anarchist Cookbook: new age corporate speak intertwined with nihilistic nonsense. An absolute horror. It's all buzzwords, dodgy quotes and obscure articles - this apparently demonstrates some sort of competence and leadership.

It's even worse than that... I'm pretty sure Dominic Cummings is actually cryptocurrency.

First Up · 03-01-2020 08:56AM

cryptocurrency wrote:

And please enlighten us how you envison that status for the UK in the shadow of the mighty and unified EU

Stagnation probably but its their problem.

SantaCruz · 03-01-2020 09:05AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

It boosted support for Boris.

Barnier admitted in it they would use rhe backstop and NI as leverage to keep the UK in the SM/CU

They don't care about Ireland otherwise.

That's a lie. There's no point in talking to you at all. You can't reason with a fanatic or a fantasist.

cryptocurrency · 03-01-2020 09:39AM

SantaCruz wrote: »

That's a lie. There's no point in talking to you at all. You can't reason with a fanatic or a fantasist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS_4JXfDxaU

You are so brainwashed with the EU you refuse to accept anything.

You are hysterical as all those people who are now claiming today that because of an incident in Iraq over an Iranian military leader that this is WW3, the same who alos said brexit would have medicine shortages in the UK and the EU would stop supplies.

FrancieBrady · 03-01-2020 10:20AM

What should Ireland do now, having been instrumental in getting a deal that protects our interests as best as we can?

Do we sit back and allow what 'is about to happen' as it was put by one poster or is there proactive things we can do to mitigate the damage?

I am not really interested in what the UK wants us to do, more interested in what posters think we should do ourselves, for ourselves.

First Up · 03-01-2020 10:25AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

You are so brainwashed with the EU you refuse to accept anything.

Would you ever cop yourself on.

Today you show that you don't understand what Barnier is saying; yesterday you displayed ignorance of how Brexit will affect distribution across these islands. Meanwhile your fellow travellers boredstiff and boring accountant think the EU is just trying to stop Brexit and that companies in the Single Market can't import from outside it. And the Kid doesn't know what game he is watching.

Most of my posts here are correcting factual errors in the Brexiteer arguments but you accuse me and others of "not accepting" anything. The only thing we are not accepting are the easily disproven fallacies, myths and illusions you lift from the Daily Express.

Please cop on to yourself; you are just making yourself look sillier.

davedanon · 03-01-2020 11:12AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS_4JXfDxaU

Again? Really? Did you watch the full version? I'd say a good few of us did. Barnier was talking about the UK's actions and responses. Can you comprehend that? He is not conspiring on a secret camera. He is openly discussing the UK's approach with his staff, on a BBC documentary

The more you argue in bad faith, the more your vanishing credibility dwindles.

Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

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