When did Ireland get so pretentious?

riclad · 02-01-2020 02:07PM

People change, when you have a job and a mortgage you have to be responsible.when you are over 30 it takes longer to recover from a hangover .If you have kids ,you have to take care of them, and set an example.
the time to be wild and carefree is when you are a teenager, or a student.
people change and grow up and mature .from one angle ,you might say people become more boring as time goes, on.
or maybe they become more cautious and responsible.

02-01-2020 02:09PM

it started under robinson and was completed under mcaleese imo

v638sg7k1a92bx · 02-01-2020 02:12PM

riclad wrote: »

People change, when you have a job and a mortgage you have to be responsible.when you are over 30 it takes longer to recover from a hangover .If you have kids ,you have to take care of them, and set an example.
the time to be wild and carefree is when you are a teenager, or a student.
people change and grow up and mature .from one angle ,you might say people become more boring as time goes, on.
or maybe they become more cautious and responsible.

Generally speaking, most people don't fundamentally change. You experience and learn new things but your personality doesn't change.

elperello · 02-01-2020 02:23PM

Deleted User wrote: »

it started under robinson and was completed under mcaleese imo

That's an interesting theory.
Would you say they were both pretentious themselves or that they in some way facilitated a national pretentiousness ?

02-01-2020 03:13PM

elperello wrote: »

That's an interesting theory.
Would you say they were both pretentious themselves or that they in some way facilitated a national pretentiousness ?

youll have to buy my book im afraid

Bobblehats · 02-01-2020 03:23PM

Millicently wrote: »

Na, I think the rot set in with Neapolitan ice cream, before that it was vanilla ice cream only, a tin of pears or mixed tinned fruit with it on special occasions if you were lucky. We started to get notions then.

That’s when it took shape as portly kind of Pretentious. Transcending into the portentous

Ciaranis · 02-01-2020 03:32PM

elperello wrote:

That's an interesting theory. Would you say they were both pretentious themselves or that they in some way facilitated a national pretentiousness ?

Ireland's only two female presidents ushered in a new era of national pretentiousness? That's not an interesting theory, it's naked misogyny.

nthclare · 02-01-2020 03:35PM

These people the OP is mentioning don't really come into my circle.
But through observation I think the OP has a point.
People living as slavery to what they think they should be in order to fit in, into what one may say.
A life of perpetual stress and tutting, living a life of terms and conditions.
Zombies walking around shopping centres, doing the same thing day in day out.
Walking contradictions, always running after the carrot on the stick.
Living with people they don't love, lusting after the thoughts of being a celeb or found attractive.
Validating their self worth with the amounts of likes and thumbs up they accumulated.

Emulating their peers and the people they think are important, all for selfish reasons.

I know of people who do the"I hardly know you thing" its nothing personal its just they're over stressed or lack awareness.

We're in the roaring 20's now and technically we've hit our peak and its leveling off.
There's going to be a big downward spiral of people getting laid off from the multinationals etc
And those new money people will be brought back down to earth and find out more about themselves than they ever knew.
It'll be good for their humility.

You'll see people with trades and crafts, ie creative people will be the sought after for their talents and skills.

The IT jobs marketing and anything to do with apps and software will be less sexy, the gardeners, chippies, sparkies, hard landscapers, sculptors, artists and more organic people will become the noble professionals once again.

People will appreciate nature more than they ever did and hopefully people will start to read books more and be more creative and less dependant on buying shoite made by machines etc

elperello · 02-01-2020 03:36PM

Ciaranis wrote: »

Ireland's only two female presidents ushered in a new era of national pretentiousness? That's not an interesting theory, it's naked misogyny.

I was asking the other poster the question.

No joy on an answer he's not coming out to play, too busy writing a book apparently.

Wompa1 · 02-01-2020 03:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

it started under robinson and was completed under mcaleese imo

It started in the 2000's. People got money, lost the run of themselves and became pretentious.

2008 happened. People held onto their notions for a few years then things adjusted a bit as everyone realized most people were in the same spot as them.

I don't find it pretentious now. There's some really nice changes that happened in the years I was away.

lainey_d_123 · 02-01-2020 03:49PM

Candie wrote: »

People who don't change, don't grow. Anyone taking pride in being the very same person they were as a teenager needs a good look at themselves. It's not surprising someone happy in that rut treats everyone who's expanded out of it with suspicion.

It must really hold a mirror up to someones own limitations when other people expand theirs, which is probably why they're dismissed as fake or pretentious.

Indeed. I grew up in a not-nice area and it's insane how many people think 'not changing' is some kind of badge of honour. It's like they're personally offended by anyone who has tried to better themselves. I know people from the area talk all kinds of sh1te about me having 'notions' because I went to university, have lived abroad for work and now have a decent job with prospects. They say things like I think I'm too good for them when the reality is that they're bitter, envious and hateful towards anyone who isn't exactly like them. They still sit in the pub we went to when we were still at school and gossip about people from school. Any attempt to talk about anything different means you have 'notions'. It's incredibly depressing and draining to be around people like this.

Ciaranis · 02-01-2020 03:52PM

elperello wrote:

I was asking the other poster the question.

Yes, I'm aware of that, but was replying to both of you.

Seanachai · 02-01-2020 03:53PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Grave suspicion and resentment of their expansion . I know 2 such people.

To quote Neil McCauley, 'There's a flip side to that coin'. There's also a resentment that comes from very driven people towards those that are happy with less. They may have more materially, travelled more and progressed more in terms of career etc but they're still envious of a guy with a less stressful life with less responsibility. I know of at least two people with this gripe.

seamie78 · 02-01-2020 03:54PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Whatever happened to the days of cidona in the pub?

its called bulmers 0.0 now

Iang87 · 02-01-2020 03:54PM

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

Indeed. I grew up in a not-nice area and it's insane how many people think 'not changing' is some kind of badge of honour. It's like they're personally offended by anyone who has tried to better themselves. I know people from the area talk all kinds of sh1te about me having 'notions' because I went to university, have lived abroad for work and now have a decent job with prospects. They say things like I think I'm too good for them when the reality is that they're bitter, envious and hateful towards anyone who isn't exactly like them. They still sit in the pub we went to when we were still at school and gossip about people from school. Any attempt to talk about anything different means you have 'notions'. It's incredibly depressing and draining to be around people like this.

This may sound odd but are you me by any chance.

02-01-2020 03:55PM

Ciaranis wrote: »

Ireland's only two female presidents ushered in a new era of national pretentiousness? That's not an interesting theory, it's naked misogyny.

your eh threshold for declaring same seems eh a little ehhhhh low tbh

gluck

elperello · 02-01-2020 03:57PM

Ciaranis wrote: »

Yes, I'm aware of that, but was replying to both of you.

Sorry for any confusion but just for clarity I don't hold that view of the Robinson/McAleese presidencies.

I was interested in debating the question with the other poster but he has withdrawn so to speak.

elperello · 02-01-2020 03:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

your eh threshold for declaring same seems eh a little ehhhhh low tbh

gluck

Oh you are back, taking a break from authoring.
I'll leave it to you to defend your position.
As you can see I got caught in the crossfire.

FixdePitchmark · 02-01-2020 04:11PM

lots champagne over the Christmas.

it's beginning to feel a good bit like 2003 to 2007 .

boardlady · 02-01-2020 04:56PM

irishgrover wrote: »

Haha, this is exactly what I'm talking about..... I said I live in the "arsehole of nowhere".... to any normal person that would indicate that I live in a very rural area. To you however, it indicates that I am a self loathing west Brit.......
As I said, try to broaden your horizons a little bit, it will do you the world of good..
You're entertaining, but not in a positive way

I can't believe how much people seem to hate the average irish joe soap on the street! How are we meant to behave? What is it so that we should all be doing/working at/wearing/and what accent would you have us all speaking in?? We are a nation that has moved with times we are living in - huge changes in economic terms and in terms of our culture. We are multidenominational, multicultural and multiracial. That is Ireland now. And no, everybody does not want to be a D4-er. And, for the poster who lives in rural Galway, I am also a rural dweller and think i'm winning for this very reason. There's a lot of folks here who could do with a bit of 'live and let live' thinking ...

PTH2009 · 05-01-2020 12:32AM

One thing that always gets me hearing an American accent seems to hype up the evening and makes everything sound cool but there as full as **** as the random Irish person

Not all Irish are dancing and drinking themselves fun every night. Bloody Hollywood

con___manx1 · 05-01-2020 02:13AM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Ireland isn't so perfect... Australia is miles ahead in urban planning and infrastructure.

The sooner you and the rest of the deniers face up to that maybe we can see real progress.

Australia is a much newer country than Ireland. That's the only excuse I can think of for the planning here.
The public transport in Melbourne has to be a contender for best in the world.
Dublin is a much older city but I just wish it had transport like that. There would be so much less cars on the roads in the city.

Ubbquittious · 05-01-2020 02:19AM

con___manx1 wrote: »

Australia is a much newer country than Ireland. That's the only excuse I can think of for the planning here.
The public transport in Melbourne has to be a contender for best in the world.
Dublin is a much older city but I just wish it had transport like that. There would be so much less cars on the roads in the city.

If they really stuck to the old style over here they would have been grand. Narrow streets only suitable for de ass and cart. Its when the crowd in charge took a liking to the Statesian way that things started getting very car dependent. Loads of big spaced out industrial estates and shopping centres attached to the town, there was none of this codology back in the day, the whole idea for that kind of thing came from the States

tastyt · 05-01-2020 03:13AM

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

Indeed. I grew up in a not-nice area and it's insane how many people think 'not changing' is some kind of badge of honour. It's like they're personally offended by anyone who has tried to better themselves. I know people from the area talk all kinds of sh1te about me having 'notions' because I went to university, have lived abroad for work and now have a decent job with prospects. They say things like I think I'm too good for them when the reality is that they're bitter, envious and hateful towards anyone who isn't exactly like them. They still sit in the pub we went to when we were still at school and gossip about people from school. Any attempt to talk about anything different means you have 'notions'. It's incredibly depressing and draining to be around people like this.

So they are right.

You went to university, got a Job in a different country and don't drink in their local pub anymore.

You just drink somewhere else, work somewhere else and gossip about other things. All the while thinking your better than the people where you came from because you went to university and moved away

Notions

FixdePitchmark · 05-01-2020 10:34AM

tastyt wrote: »

So they are right.

You went to university, got a Job in a different country and don't drink in their local pub anymore.

You just drink somewhere else, work somewhere else and gossip about other things. All the while thinking your better than the people where you came from because you went to university and moved away

Notions

What does notions mean.

In the above areas it is kind of 50/50, some people believe in education, self improvement and are delighted with higher level achievements. And even in that 50/50 some of these people don't achieve these things themselves but are happy for the friends and family who do.

Then you have others going around using words like notions and taking a dig at any opportunity they have at someone who achieves something.

I know the type of people I like to be around. It doesn't matter what you personally achieve. But any ****er who trys to knock ambition, is the real problem in these areas.

So when a lad uses an expression like notions , you have sniffed one out.

the beer revolu · 05-01-2020 10:40AM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

What does notions mean.

.

Notions are like sarcasm detectors.
Not everyone has them.

When did Ireland get so pretentious?

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