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When did Ireland get so pretentious?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,911 ✭✭✭I Was VB


    The average Irish person looks down on the other average person who has a fiver less in his pocket then him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 119 ✭✭Borgo


    Have I stumbled across the Irish version of Its A Wonderful Life?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Sounds like you’re stuck in 2010 OP when you ****ed off to make a few pound down under while your buddies were stuck here on the dole

    Now they have jobs money and families and sounds like they have matured into well formed adults

    Sorry for your loss, youll have to find new mates to head to Knights with and down your tins of tennents

    Why don’t you **** off back to Australia if everything is so perfect there

    Ireland isn't so perfect... Australia is miles ahead in urban planning and infrastructure.

    The sooner you and the rest of the deniers face up to that maybe we can see real progress.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Met a fella home from New Zealand last night, humble bragging about how much he is earning, what a great job he has, how well he is doing.

    It comes across as insecure rather than impressive.

    Earn far more here than I did abroad. There is not many places abroad that are similar in salary scales to Ireland despite what people say.

    Still think the same tbh. Massive value placed on the assets a person in perceived to own here. People base their own self worth and that of others on that. Doesn't go for everyone, but quite a lot of the populace. That is very sad.

    Cultural dressing down and reversal needed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    I Was VB wrote: »
    The average Irish person looks down on the other average person who has a fiver less in his pocket then him.
    No they don't. So much imagined stuff about "the Irish".


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 478 ✭✭Millicently


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Ireland isn't so perfect... Australia is miles ahead in urban planning and infrastructure.

    The sooner you and the rest of the deniers face up to that maybe we can see real progress.
    In Ireland's favour, most of the wildlife here doesn't want to kill you. I can sit on a toilet without a spider or snake sneaking up the loo and trying to bite me in the ass. I don't need to worry that a huge snake is hiding somewhere in the house and if I want to dispose of a spider I can just cover it with a glass and a bit of paper and safely pop it out in the garden without it trying to kill me and lay it's eggs in me. There won't be a crocodile in the garden either.:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    In Ireland's favour, most of the wildlife here doesn't want to kill you. I can sit on a toilet without a spider or snake sneaking up the loo and trying to bite me in the ass. I don't need to worry that a huge snake is hiding somewhere in the house and if I want to dispose of a spider I can just cover it with a glass and a bit of paper and safely pop it out in the garden without it trying to kill me and lay it's eggs in me. There won't be a crocodile in the garden either.:D

    Really how often does that really happen? in 15 years I maybe seen 3-4 snakes in the wild and 2 of those were dead. I have never seen a funnel web spider except the zoo and I only seen Red back once.

    And I live in a fairly interface area.

    Its just tabloid dribble.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    Really how often does that really happen? in 15 years I maybe seen 3-4 snakes in the wild and 2 of those were dead. I have never seen a funnel web spider except the zoo and I only seen Red back once.

    And I live in a fairly interface area.

    Its just tabloid dribble.

    I think this happens a lot, tbh. People see viral videos online and yes they're entertaining, funny or whatever - but it's just not reality. I have close friends who live in Australia for 10 years now. During visits home someone inevitably says some version of "I couldn't live there for fear of being eaten alive by all manner of wildlife..." and the answer they give is, haven't seen anything in my home or anyone I know, anyway the size of the Irish house spiders you get is what isn't right, ha ha. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    I think this happens a lot, tbh. People see viral videos online and yes they're entertaining, funny or whatever - but it's just not reality. I have close friends who live in Australia for 10 years now. During visits home someone inevitably says some version of "I couldn't live there for fear of being eaten alive by all manner of wildlife..." and the answer they give is, haven't seen anything in my home or anyone I know, anyway the size of the Irish house spiders you get is what isn't right, ha ha. :)

    Yep you see the viral videos and pics hit the news... that's because it news... its not an everyday occurrence.

    You usually find this rubbish in Daily Mail FFS


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,226 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    In Ireland's favour, most of the wildlife here doesn't want to kill you. I can sit on a toilet without a spider or snake sneaking up the loo and trying to bite me in the ass. I don't need to worry that a huge snake is hiding somewhere in the house and if I want to dispose of a spider I can just cover it with a glass and a bit of paper and safely pop it out in the garden without it trying to kill me and lay it's eggs in me. There won't be a crocodile in the garden either.:D

    FFS all of Australia is not something out of Steve Irwins Australia Zoo. :rolleyes:

    PS
    do you know what kills most people in Australia every year ?
    It is actually other people and not any or all animals.

    Also why did you leave out the sharks, blue ringed octopus, box jellyfish, camels, red kangaroos as they also kill people?


    If you want to see how pretentious some of the Irish have gotten just take a wander into any of the threads on Farming protests, discussion on rural housing, immigration, etc.

    Just because some of the plebes have grown up to get well paid jobs with likes of Dell, Microsoft, Facebook, Twitter, Pfizer, Google, PWC, etc they actually think we now own something and it is time to look down their noses at what they deem the ignorant culchies and all that goes with them.

    I am not allowed discuss …



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,105 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Ireland isn't so perfect... Australia is miles ahead in urban planning and infrastructure.

    The sooner you and the rest of the deniers face up to that maybe we can see real progress.

    As a town planner, I can't really argue with that. But does it have character? I don't think so. Fair enough, it only developed in the last 300 years, but the point stands.

    Parts of Australia are also beautiful, but overall its a harsh environment, tough to cultivate and with an over-reliance on outmoded energy and mining types.

    The Irish will always be pretentious, sometimes in a reverse psychology type of way, to avoid people knowing their business (and I think thats the key difference with people who emigrate, when you see them again they have diluted their irish caginess and that may come across as pretentious, when really its just the norm where they live now)

    Of anywhere in the World to live the rest of my days, I still choose Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,360 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    Yep you see the viral videos and pics hit the news... that's because it news... its not an everyday occurrence.

    You usually find this rubbish in Daily Mail FFS

    I never lived in Australia. I went there for work for just over 3 weeks. I have Australian cousins so met up with them in Sydney. One day my cousin came to pick me up outside my hotel. He rolled up in a car that looked like it was from the 80's and gestured me to come in. I walk up and there's a massive spider crushed in the door. I signalled to him to roll down the window and tell him. He handed me his flip flop (he was driving in flip flops!) and told me to swipe it away.

    Off we went. He asked it it was brown or red. I forget what it was but he said, yeah those are the venomous ones and you get use to it. He lived pretty far out from the city centre but it was still fairly built up. Other than that, the only wildlife I saw was just outside of Cairns.

    I encountered a lot more dangerous wildlife living in the US but even so, you go so long without seeing them you get complacent and forget they are even there. We're fairly lucky in Ireland!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,360 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Ireland isn't so perfect... Australia is miles ahead in urban planning and infrastructure.

    The sooner you and the rest of the deniers face up to that maybe we can see real progress.

    In fairness, the progress in Ireland over the last 10-12 years has been pretty impressive. Maybe less so on the urban planning specifically but we've gone from having utter sh1te roads to very good motorways. Meanwhile the lads up in the North went from having far superior roads to us, to having inferior roads and feck all investment.

    We're an old country with old towns and cities. We have to work within certain limitations unlike a lot of American, Australian and even certain European cities that got bombed during WW2 and had to rebuild.

    Even at that, the LUAS has provided some benefits. The late night bus services for certain routes are an improvement too.

    It would be great to see investment in upgrading to high speed trains throughout the country and a push to more work from home to help reduce emissions and traffic in the cities plus to breathe new life to dying towns and villages.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Wompa1 wrote: »
    I never lived in Australia. I went there for work for just over 3 weeks. I have Australian cousins so met up with them in Sydney. One day my cousin came to pick me up outside my hotel. He rolled up in a car that looked like it was from the 80's and gestured me to come in. I walk up and there's a massive spider crushed in the door. I signalled to him to roll down the window and tell him. He handed me his flip flop (he was driving in flip flops!) and told me to swipe it away.

    Off we went. He asked it it was brown or red. I forget what it was but he said, yeah those are the venomous ones and you get use to it. He lived pretty far out from the city centre but it was still fairly built up. Other than that, the only wildlife I saw was just outside of Cairns.

    I encountered a lot more dangerous wildlife living in the US but even so, you go so long without seeing them you get complacent and forget they are even there. We're fairly lucky in Ireland!

    I live in NW suburbs but it’s close to bushland and a creek, I never have anything in the house not even ants which were a problem in my previous house. I do have large trees in my garden that act as a roost for fruit bats that look like a fox with wings make a racket when they fly into trampoline net..had one poor bastard end up in the pool. It not what people make it out to be.

    As for flip-flops we call thongs ..,I prefer driving barefoot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    Haven't the Chinese bought half of Australia. Better start learning mandrin, I'd say the place will be a Chinese colony before long.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Haven't the Chinese bought half of Australia. Better start learning mandrin, I'd say the place will be a Chinese colony before long.

    Sure they are ones with all the brains and money, the Chinese are one of largest migrant groups granted permanent residency over the last 10 years....during the recession poor old paddy coming with an empty head and empty pockets whinging because he had to do an English test to get a couple more points and kept failing it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,201 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    Things have been tigering up since 2015 or there about. Don't worry they'll all change their tune once the recesh comes along again.

    In my social group I noticed this from about 1999/2000 - I had moved to London in 1996. It continued to a zenith around 2007 before a short sharp shock to reality.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,905 ✭✭✭Bullocks


    It's bad out there alright. I met a girl that I know for donkeys years there awhile ago. Fcuk me but her accent has changed and notions have grown. From nowhere either, she was dragged up as bad as I was.
    Now I also don't like the crowd that come back from Australia saying how great it is over there and pretending to care about the environment. Sure they were all burning their rubbish out the back before they left the same as the rest of us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭Church on Tuesday


    Wrong, People never change, despite the ones in here protesting too much on this thread to the contrary, “oh people change, look at me I did well for myself (a guilty conscience needs no accuser).

    Btw, taking about a lagr loan to buy an overpriced house does not constitute success.

    People grow up and develop. Tastes change, the people who you initially were friends with often change or you find that you simply have nothing in common with them anymore yourself one day.

    People and opportunities come and go in life. Some stick around. Many don't.

    I'm 32. I can safely say I am completely different to the man I was at 22.

    People who whinge about other people changing tend to be the ones stuck in a rut or just never went outside their comfort zone. It's life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,497 ✭✭✭NSAman


    met with friends that I have not seen in nearly 20 years. we have all remained the same people we were when we MUCH younger, same personalities and had a massive laugh.

    It was interesting to note that some of these friends have been MAJORLY successful in life and yet have remained the same people without pretence.

    We didn’t discuss work as we all “kinda” know what each other does. Yet not wanting to sound like braggers took the P*ss out of each other as we used to do when we were living together in school.

    Pretence is not something that friends need to do. Some of us could have bragged about the millions they have made and continue to make, but friendship doesn’t allow that to happen, gentle ribbing of each other about where we all started, old mannerisms and past indiscretions meant no one was free from the group slagging.

    When you know people who are secure in their lives, pretence is not needed.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    People grow up and develop. Tastes change, the people who you initially were friends with often change or you find that you simply have nothing in common with them anymore yourself one day.

    People and opportunities come and go in life. Some stick around. Many don't.

    I'm 32. I can safely say I am completely different to the man I was at 22.

    People who whinge about other people changing tend to be the ones stuck in a rut or just never went outside their comfort zone. It's life.

    People don't change, they may try and pretend they do but fundamentally they stay the same. Sounds like you're one of those people who has tried to posh themselves up in recent years but deep down you know you're the same person. Let me guess, your new gf didn't like your mates so you came up with an excuse to justify why you picked her over them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭Church on Tuesday


    People don't change, they may try and pretend they do but fundamentally they stay the same. Sounds like you're one of those people who has tried to posh themselves up in recent years but deep down you know you're the same person. Let me guess, your new gf didn't like your mates so you came up with an excuse to justify why you picked her over them?

    You mean my ex? she got on with them famously. If she didn't or tried to prevent me seeing friends, she'd be out the door. Quick.

    I'm one of "those people" who strives to improve himself daily or at least tries to, that's kinda the whole point of growing up and old and indeed life itself. Granted it's not easy or indeed fair by times but that's life.

    Nobody like someone who sits around complaining feeling sorry for themselves.

    And as for people who never change, that's their problem. If you encountered dickheads in a past life then they are just dickheads by nature and not really worth a second thought.


  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    People don't change, they may try and pretend they do but fundamentally they stay the same. Sounds like you're one of those people who has tried to posh themselves up in recent years but deep down you know you're the same person. Let me guess, your new gf didn't like your mates so you came up with an excuse to justify why you picked her over them?

    People who don't change, don't grow. Anyone taking pride in being the very same person they were as a teenager needs a good look at themselves. It's not surprising someone happy in that rut treats everyone who's expanded out of it with suspicion.

    It must really hold a mirror up to someones own limitations when other people expand theirs, which is probably why they're dismissed as fake or pretentious.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    You mean my ex? she got on with them famously. If she didn't or tried to prevent me seeing friends, she'd be out the door. Quick.

    I'm one of "those people" who strives to improve himself daily or at least tries to, that's kinda the whole point of growing up and old and indeed life itself. Granted it's not easy or indeed fair by times but that's life.

    Nobody like someone who sits around complaining feeling sorry for themselves.

    And as for people who never change, that's their problem. If you encountered dickheads in a past life then they are just dickheads by nature and not really worth a second thought.

    You can learn new things and have new experiences that would alter your perception of things but your early childhood, adolescence and by the the time you are an adult in your twenties your personality or character will be determined for the remainder of your life.

    So stop with the nonsense, this is the exactly the type of pretension I’m taking about.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Candie wrote: »
    People who don't change, don't grow. Anyone taking pride in being the very same person they were as a teenager needs a good look at themselves. It's not surprising someone happy in that rut treats everyone who's expanded out of it with suspicion.

    It must really hold a mirror up to someones own limitations when other people expand theirs, which is probably why they're dismissed as fake or pretentious.

    “People who don’t change don’t grow” this is the type of jaded drivel that is repeated in every south Dublin coffee shop.


  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    “People who don’t change don’t grow” this is the type of jaded drivel that is repeated in every south Dublin coffee shop.

    And thats the type of insecure dismissal I'd expect from someone who thinks that change or growth is pretentious.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭frosty123


    ever since the celtic tiger mid 90s....we're slowly turning into protestants
    Ever compare a proddy church to one of those lavish RC churches?

    Now that's OTT pretentiousness.

    I'm talking about mannerisms...we've become more reserved in our ways, we're not as wild & mad as we use to be..don't you think?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭Church on Tuesday


    You can learn new things and have new experiences that would alter your perception of things but your early childhood, adolescence and by the the time you are an adult in your twenties your personality or character will be determined for the remainder of your life.

    So stop with the nonsense, this is the exactly the type of pretension I’m taking about.

    Meh whatever, lads like you never change.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Candie wrote: »
    And thats the type of insecure dismissal I'd expect from someone who thinks that change or growth is pretentious.

    Wrong. Difference is that I don't put any stock in those words because they are just words. You automatically apply some default meaning to them as in "change" "grow" "this makes me a better person and great buzz words I can use after my yoga class"

    They're just words and not all change is automatically good, things and people can also change for the worse.


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  • Posts: 4,082 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Candie wrote: »
    People who don't change,... It's not surprising someone happy in that rut treats everyone who's expanded out of it with suspicion.

    Grave suspicion and resentment of their expansion . I know 2 such people.


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