Chinese prisoners at Xmas

Manach · 22-12-2019 03:00PM

Real-politik dictates that states only intervene when their own interests are threatened. The internal actions of China to genocide a people, Uighir Muslims, is not something the Irish state is worked up about as it does not effect the GDP metric. A token protest over mumbling about human rights suffices.

Thus other posters have mentioned a better approach. Start to buycott Chinese goods. Their economy is based on mass exports and this type of protest will hurt them where they are most concerned with, the balance sheets.

Fann Linn · 22-12-2019 03:02PM

Can we start this boycott when my three parcels arrive from Ali Express on the 18 Jan?

twowheelsonly · 22-12-2019 03:04PM

http://inkstonepress.com/2018/03/07/prisoner-42816/

Read the link above.

Starts with the same fella that sent this note - except he's been out for a while but obviously still likes the attention.

The email contact is also a Financial Times address.

Media BS written all over this one.

What I find hilarious as well is that all over these Isles people scream that prisoners should be made to work to earn their keep. Some fella in China is 'forced' to pack Christmas Cards and all of a sudden it's totally unacceptable...

EDIT: Just read Fann Linns post above - hadn't copped that it was other prisoners using Humphreys name as a link...

Fann Linn · 22-12-2019 03:11PM

twowheelsonly wrote: »

http://inkstonepress.com/2018/03/07/prisoner-42816/

Read the link above.

Starts with the same fella that sent this note - except he's been out for a while but obviously still likes the attention.

The email contact is also a Financial Times address.

Media BS written all over this one.

What I find hilarious as well is that all over these Isles people scream that prisoners should be made to work to earn their keep. Some fella in China is 'forced' to pack Christmas Cards and all of a sudden it's totally unacceptable...

EDIT: Just read Fann Linns post above - hadn't copped that it was other prisoners using Humphreys name as a link...

Peter Humphreys didn't send 'this' note.
Didnt note your edit.

BeerWolf · 22-12-2019 03:16PM

China has integrated itself deep into our consumerism that it is neigh on impossible to boycott their products when it is almost in everything.

Capitalism of the West has exploited China's cheap labour, China exploits its people and copyright laws with an absolute total Authoritarian Government... getting more powerful off the West's greed. China have long been playing the patience game, buying up everything.

People wanting cheap products are ultimately to blame. And they don't care, as long as they get it.

silverharp · 22-12-2019 03:42PM

there are calls in the US to decouple from china , the best thing for the US would be to shift outsourcing to South America or even india. As it is China is just one giant IP theft system and the US is playing a part in its own future demise

Christy42 · 22-12-2019 03:51PM

BeerWolf wrote: »

China has integrated itself deep into our consumerism that it is neigh on impossible to boycott their products when it is almost in everything.

Capitalism of the West has exploited China's cheap labour, China exploits its people and copyright laws with an absolute total Authoritarian Government... getting more powerful off the West's greed. China have long been playing the patience game, buying up everything.

People wanting cheap products are ultimately to blame. And they don't care, as long as they get it.

Certainly people wanting cheap goods are not helping. However the the people ultimately to blame are the Chinese authorities.

Plenty of places have cheap labour. While their governments tend not to be great they are not in China's league. China isn't torturing people because they want to supply cheap goods. They are torturing people because the authorities are a horrific disgrace to mankind. I am sure they use some of the labour etc. but that doesn't seem to be the core reason. Like the Nazis. They didn't torture Jews for economic reasons. They tortured them because they were terrible human beings.

riclad · 22-12-2019 04:07PM

China is maybe the worse country for human rights apart from north korea ,theres 1000,s of muslims in prison just for their religion .
They are using state of the art tech to watch everyone,
most people use apps to buy or pay for a service or item.
Its hard to buy anything with cash.The government has a stake in every company, protest or do something the government doe,s not like and be arrested .
Theres the great firewall of china, any apps or websites the government does not approve of are blocked or banned .
there are so many products made in china, tv,s , pc,s ,phones it would be hard for a western country to ban chinese products .
In the 80,s it was japan that was competing with america , in 2019 china is the next superpower.

jetsonx · 22-12-2019 04:53PM

Look what the cuddly capitalists are getting up to now:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7818775/Tesco-charity-Christmas-cards-packed-Chinese-prison-SLAVES.html

tuxy · 22-12-2019 05:04PM

Prisoners in the U.S work for $0.08 an hour. Is there much difference?

jetsonx · 22-12-2019 05:13PM

The US prison service never promotes itself as such.

Reviews and Books Galore · 22-12-2019 05:33PM

I'd be careful of taking info about China at face value nowadays. There's a lot of misinformation going around both absurdly positive and absurdly negative.

Also, let's not get Americanistic here as we gave a much different relationship with China than America has

Reviews and Books Galore · 22-12-2019 05:35PM

Christy42 wrote: »

Certainly people wanting cheap goods are not helping. However the the people ultimately to blame are the Chinese authorities.

Plenty of places have cheap labour. While their governments tend not to be great they are not in China's league. China isn't torturing people because they want to supply cheap goods. They are torturing people because the authorities are a horrific disgrace to mankind. I am sure they use some of the labour etc. but that doesn't seem to be the core reason. Like the Nazis. They didn't torture Jews for economic reasons. They tortured them because they were terrible human beings.

Yup, a lot of companies moving to Vietnam which is actually quite "pro" American.

The American War was an insignificant amount of time vs the Chinese war with the country.

sk8erboii · 22-12-2019 06:26PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

There is something not believable about this one.

The current Chinese government are probably the most powerful regime in the history of the planet. Not even the Egyptians, Roman Empire, the British Empire, the Soviets etc had a farer reaching influence and intelligence surveillance as the current Chinese government.

Sport (as seen with the NBA, Arsenal, French League) are afraid of their lives of upsetting them. The entertainment industry like Disney, Netflix and so on are tailoring their content to be Chinese friendly.

The Chinese with their surveillance, finance, technology and social credit system is on the brink of becoming the planets greatest ever empire.

And posting from my Huawei phone, I for one know where my bread is buttered and I think the Chinese Government are doing a great job.

You're not going to beat them, don't try, just assimilate.

On a conventional war China would probably lose.

sk8erboii · 22-12-2019 06:27PM

riclad wrote: »

China is maybe the worse country for human rights apart from north korea ,theres 1000,s of muslims in prison just for their religion .
They are using state of the art tech to watch everyone,
most people use apps to buy or pay for a service or item.
Its hard to buy anything with cash.The government has a stake in every company, protest or do something the government doe,s not like and be arrested .
Theres the great firewall of china, any apps or websites the government does not approve of are blocked or banned .
there are so many products made in china, tv,s , pc,s ,phones it would be hard for a western country to ban chinese products .
In the 80,s it was japan that was competing with america , in 2019 china is the next superpower.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China

This too. China is an evil state.

Fritzbox · 22-12-2019 06:35PM

jetsonx wrote: »

The US prison service never promotes itself as such.

Why would they? They find enough business as it is.

biko · 22-12-2019 06:56PM

Chinese organ stealing from Falun Gong members has been going on for years, and have been mentions on boards many many times.

Chinese president Jinping were in Ireland and there were, thankfully, some protests but most people don't give a toss.

biko · 22-12-2019 06:58PM

If I posted that image inside China I'd end up in an interrogation chair like this

https://reclaimthenet.org/china-man-chair-interrogation-social-credit/

Chris_Heilong · 22-12-2019 07:12PM

I personally think it is a good thing to get prisoners to work and keep busy it would be good if they adopted that here. Like in the USA were they got chain gangs to fix the roads and such and when they leave prison they have some life skills.

Purgative · 22-12-2019 07:52PM

Dr. Colossus wrote: »

I would rather be in an Israeli prison than a Chinese or Saudi one tbh.

Food is probably better

briany · 22-12-2019 10:22PM

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

I personally think it is a good thing to get prisoners to work and keep busy it would be good if they adopted that here. Like in the USA were they got chain gangs to fix the roads and such and when they leave prison they have some life skills.

Don't know if that's a good idea. You risk creating an economic incentive to imprison people. Now, you could say that the money saved on labour merely offsets the cost of housing prisoners, which is fair, but if you were to have private companies running prisons then forced labour really doesn't sit well, because those companies' business is profit. Paying your debt back to society is one thing, but slavery just so some CEO can get richer shouldn't sit well with anyone.

X111111111111 · 22-12-2019 10:25PM

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

We're all at fault.

We want it cheap. We want it yesterday.

Some people freak out if their Amazon deliveries are a day late.

China will dominate the 21st century as the West worries about trivialities.

They are dominating now.

22-12-2019 10:28PM

briany wrote: »

Don't know if that's a good idea. You risk creating an economic incentive to imprison people. Now, you could say that the money saved on labour merely offsets the cost of housing prisoners, which is fair, but if you were to have private companies running prisons then forced labour really doesn't sit well, because those companies' business is profit. Paying your debt back to society is one thing, but slavery just so some CEO can get richer shouldn't sit well with anyone.

He's not being serious bro

tuxy · 22-12-2019 10:35PM

Yeah clearly a joke since the reintroduction of chain gangs in Arizona was a disaster.

RobbingBandit · 22-12-2019 10:39PM

Perfect English script language smacks of a hoax to me only one found so far too.

Ipso · 22-12-2019 10:49PM

briany wrote: »

Don't know if that's a good idea. You risk creating an economic incentive to imprison people. Now, you could say that the money saved on labour merely offsets the cost of housing prisoners, which is fair, but if you were to have private companies running prisons then forced labour really doesn't sit well, because those companies' business is profit. Paying your debt back to society is one thing, but slavery just so some CEO can get richer shouldn't sit well with anyone.

Couldn’t be worse than the 329 strikes and your out gravy train for the legal industry. A couple stints of pulling shopping trolleys out of canals might make someone think twice.

tuxy · 22-12-2019 11:00PM

Ipso wrote: »

Couldn’t be worse than the 329 strikes and your out gravy train for the legal industry. A couple stints of pulling shopping trolleys out of canals might make someone think twice.

Supervision and security would cost far more than paying regular workers to do the work.

careless sherpa · 22-12-2019 11:00PM

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Perfect English script language smacks of a hoax to me only one found so far too.

Maybe but they do claim to be foreign to china

wakka12 · 22-12-2019 11:25PM

spurious wrote: »

I don't doubt there are forced workers in China, but there is something very unbelievable about this card story

I agree. Surely the 'slave masters' would check the cards for this type of thing before theyre shipped out

wakka12 · 22-12-2019 11:27PM

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

I personally think it is a good thing to get prisoners to work and keep busy it would be good if they adopted that here. Like in the USA were they got chain gangs to fix the roads and such and when they leave prison they have some life skills.

Yes though in China you'd have to wonder if there is even a justified reason for many of them in being in jail. I'm sure theres plenty in there who didnt even get a fair trial

Chinese prisoners at Xmas

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