Chinese prisoners at Xmas

wandererz

One can only imagine whats going to happen to the prisoners in those prisons mentioned in the Xmas cards now that it's all over the UK media.

I can't believe it's going to be a happy ending.

Fair play to them for getting the word out, but the outcome may not be what they expected.

China will simply suppress any dissent.

So many movements out there atm. We should set up a no purchase from China policy for a year to show them how hard it can hurt.

Mod Link to story: https://www.independent.ie/world-news/tesco-suspends-charity-christmas-cards-after-customer-finds-message-about-alleged-forced-labour-38807379.html

retalivity

wandererz wrote: »

So many movements out there atm. We should set up a no purchase from China policy for a year to show them how hard it can hurt.

I would love to see this, just to see how hilariously it would fail. Everything is made in china!

Timberrrrrrrr

wandererz wrote: »

One can only imagine whats going to happen to the prisoners in those prisons mentioned in the Xmas cards now that it's all over the UK media.

I can't believe it's going to be a happy ending.

Fair play to them for getting the word out, but the outcome may not be what they expected.

China will simply suppress any dissent.

So many movements out there atm. We should set up a no purchase from China policy for a year to show them how hard it can hurt.

Good luck with that, the device you're posting from was probably 80% / 100% made in China.

Jimbob1977

We're all at fault.

We want it cheap. We want it yesterday.

Some people freak out if their Amazon deliveries are a day late.

China will dominate the 21st century as the West worries about trivialities.

wandererz

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Good luck with that, the device you're posting from was probably 80% / 100% made in China.

True.
I am not disputing that.

wandererz

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

We're all at fault.

We want it cheap. We want it yesterday.

Some people freak out if their Amazon deliveries are a day late.

China will dominate the 21st century as the West worries about trivialities.

100%

We're all so so fixated with trivial issues that we forget or don't recognise the life affecting issues around the world.

Atlantic Dawn

Could it not just be someone having the craic at the card factory?

biko

Are you referring to the Falun Gong prisoners OP?

Ted_YNWA

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Could it not just be someone having the craic at the card factory?

That was my first thought too. I doubt it would be a case that though. Working in a glorified sweat shop would beat any sense of humour you have out of you.

There must be truth to the fact that the cards are made in a prison as Tesco didn't come out & deny the fact.

Fann Linn

biko wrote: »

Are you referring to the Falun Gong prisoners OP?

Its in the Times today. Foreign prisoners from the US, UK, Europe and South America imprisoned or on remand in Shanghai's notorious Brigade 8 prison.

Richard Hillman

There is something not believable about this one.

The current Chinese government are probably the most powerful regime in the history of the planet. Not even the Egyptians, Roman Empire, the British Empire, the Soviets etc had a farer reaching influence and intelligence surveillance as the current Chinese government.

Sport (as seen with the NBA, Arsenal, French League) are afraid of their lives of upsetting them. The entertainment industry like Disney, Netflix and so on are tailoring their content to be Chinese friendly.

The Chinese with their surveillance, finance, technology and social credit system is on the brink of becoming the planets greatest ever empire.

And posting from my Huawei phone, I for one know where my bread is buttered and I think the Chinese Government are doing a great job.

You're not going to beat them, don't try, just assimilate.

Dr. Colossus

Looks like Tesco is buying cards from the wong factory.

biko

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50883161

Fann Linn

Like for like it's probably just as bad if not worse in Saudi or Israeli jails.
But they're our buddies I suppose.

Dr. Colossus

Fann Linn wrote: »

Like for like it's probably just as bad if not worse in Saudi or Israeli jails.
But they're our buddies I suppose.

I would rather be in an Israeli prison than a Chinese or Saudi one tbh.

nthclare

I remember the first thing I ever seen that was made in China, it was a ruler in school.

Im 45 now but that was a long time ago.
That ruler is a great metaphor, another time I was fishing off a beach with my son he was 6.
And digging a hole and i asked him where was he going to with the hole, he said dad im digging to China..

So he was digging to China and I had a Chinese ruler, a shiny yellow one made of wood.

A lot of kids had one, easily broken and easy to replace.

Back to the ruler Inches, millimetres and centimetres along with a protractor in the middle, they covered all angles.

They started to measure their potential from simplicity.

Like the time the astronauts had problems with gravity and pens for writing, the ink wouldn't work with the lack of gravity, so they asked the Russian cosmonauts what way they got around that problem.

They just responded by saying we use pencils.

KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID

biko

Don't wanna pack Christmas cards?
Don't do the crime.

beejee

This story is wild!

China has a good whupping coming down the line, the sooner it's done the easier it will be.

The prevailing attitude in mainland is that every other person in the world is dirt to be trod on, and that they are simply rising to their natural position. If anything, the ruling party over there keeps the population at bay, a check against their "enthusiasm".

I'm starting to notice some shops, here and other countries, that display signs stating "not made in china". Wild that it's come to this.

I actively avoid anything produced in China, where I can, which isn't easy. Fook them.

Mrcaramelchoc

Damn it.i thought it was a website where you could buy Chinese prisoners for xmas.

biko

nthclare wrote: »

Like the time the astronauts had problems with gravity and pens for writing, the ink wouldn't work with the lack of gravity, so they asked the Russian cosmonauts what way they got around that problem.

They just responded by saying we use pencils.

KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID

That's not why they use pens in space.

Pencils have particles of graphite that gets in the electronics and can cause short-circuits and explosions..

Omackeral

A.

Great.

Bunch.

Of.

Lads.

Still waters

nthclare wrote: »

Like the time the astronauts had problems with gravity and pens for writing, the ink wouldn't work with the lack of gravity, so they asked the Russian cosmonauts what way they got around that problem.

They just responded by saying we use pencils.

KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID

That's an urban myth

spurious

I don't doubt there are forced workers in China, but there is something very unbelievable about this card story

nthclare

biko wrote: »

That's not why they use pens in space.

Pencils have particles of graphite that gets in the electronics and can cause short-circuits and explosions..

The cream rises to the top and the **** at the bottom coagulates and sticks together and finds its place too...

Edgware

wandererz wrote: »

One can only imagine whats going to happen to the prisoners in those prisons mentioned in the Xmas cards now that it's all over the UK media.

I can't believe it's going to be a happy ending.

Fair play to them for getting the word out, but the outcome may not be what they expected.

China will simply suppress any dissent.

So many movements out there atm. We should set up a no purchase from China policy for a year to show them how hard it can hurt.

Mod Link to story: https://www.independent.ie/world-news/tesco-suspends-charity-christmas-cards-after-customer-finds-message-about-alleged-forced-labour-38807379.html

"I can't believe it's going to be a happy ending"

Isn't that a Chinese speciality?

twowheelsonly

spurious wrote: »

I don't doubt there are forced workers in China, but there is something very unbelievable about this card story

Absolutely. China, where half the Internet is banned, yet some fella in jail uses a .com as a contact. Something tells me that providing prisoners with computers and Internet wouldn't be the high on the list of priorities in China.

Fann Linn

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Absolutely. China, where half the Internet is banned, yet some fella in jail uses a .com as a contact. Something tells me that providing prisoners with computers and Internet wouldn't be the high on the list of priorities in China.

According to the article these are foreign prisoners ie US and Europeans.

tuxy

Fann Linn wrote: »

According to the article these are foreign prisoners ie US and Europeans.

Yes it's well known that many foreign prisoners are held in Qing Pu prison.

twowheelsonly

Fann Linn wrote: »

According to the article these are foreign prisoners ie US and Europeans.

I still don't believe that they'd have internet access though.

Fr_Dougal

biko wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50883161

So of all the 100’s of thousands of people this card could have ended up with, it ended up with the daughter of Ben Widdicombe, who just happens to be:

Ben Widdicombe: Ben is new to the Cam Prep Faculty and is teaching the Criminology course this summer. A graduate of the London School of Economics, Ben also holds two MSc degrees in Criminology and Public Management. He currently works as Programme Manager of the Criminal Justice Efficiency Programme , based in London, but has held a wide variety of jobs in leading organisations, including the United Nations, UK Civil Service (including the Prime Minister’s Strategy Unit), Houses of Parliament and Institute for Public Policy Research. He is also pursuing his PhD at the Department of Criminology in Cambridge, examining the use of discretionary decision making in relation to the public interest test..

Source: https://oxbridgeacademicprograms.wordpress.com/2015/07/04/meet-the-faculty-3/21f3bcf/

What an amazing coincidence...

Fann Linn

twowheelsonly wrote: »

I still don't believe that they'd have internet access though.

They don't. They wrote out the link to 'Peter Humphreys.com', surprisingly a foreign journalist who was held in that very same prison whilst on remand some years previously.
His crime, writing an article on Chinese corporate corruption.

Manach

Real-politik dictates that states only intervene when their own interests are threatened. The internal actions of China to genocide a people, Uighir Muslims, is not something the Irish state is worked up about as it does not effect the GDP metric. A token protest over mumbling about human rights suffices.

Thus other posters have mentioned a better approach. Start to buycott Chinese goods. Their economy is based on mass exports and this type of protest will hurt them where they are most concerned with, the balance sheets.

Fann Linn

Can we start this boycott when my three parcels arrive from Ali Express on the 18 Jan?

twowheelsonly

http://inkstonepress.com/2018/03/07/prisoner-42816/

Read the link above.

Starts with the same fella that sent this note - except he's been out for a while but obviously still likes the attention.

The email contact is also a Financial Times address.

Media BS written all over this one.


What I find hilarious as well is that all over these Isles people scream that prisoners should be made to work to earn their keep. Some fella in China is 'forced' to pack Christmas Cards and all of a sudden it's totally unacceptable...


EDIT: Just read Fann Linns post above - hadn't copped that it was other prisoners using Humphreys name as a link...

Fann Linn

twowheelsonly wrote: »

http://inkstonepress.com/2018/03/07/prisoner-42816/

Read the link above.

Starts with the same fella that sent this note - except he's been out for a while but obviously still likes the attention.

The email contact is also a Financial Times address.

Media BS written all over this one.


What I find hilarious as well is that all over these Isles people scream that prisoners should be made to work to earn their keep. Some fella in China is 'forced' to pack Christmas Cards and all of a sudden it's totally unacceptable...


EDIT: Just read Fann Linns post above - hadn't copped that it was other prisoners using Humphreys name as a link...

Peter Humphreys didn't send 'this' note.
Didnt note your edit.

BeerWolf

China has integrated itself deep into our consumerism that it is neigh on impossible to boycott their products when it is almost in everything.

Capitalism of the West has exploited China's cheap labour, China exploits its people and copyright laws with an absolute total Authoritarian Government... getting more powerful off the West's greed. China have long been playing the patience game, buying up everything.

People wanting cheap products are ultimately to blame. And they don't care, as long as they get it.

silverharp

there are calls in the US to decouple from china , the best thing for the US would be to shift outsourcing to South America or even india. As it is China is just one giant IP theft system and the US is playing a part in its own future demise

Christy42

BeerWolf wrote: »

China has integrated itself deep into our consumerism that it is neigh on impossible to boycott their products when it is almost in everything.

Capitalism of the West has exploited China's cheap labour, China exploits its people and copyright laws with an absolute total Authoritarian Government... getting more powerful off the West's greed. China have long been playing the patience game, buying up everything.

People wanting cheap products are ultimately to blame. And they don't care, as long as they get it.

Certainly people wanting cheap goods are not helping. However the the people ultimately to blame are the Chinese authorities.

Plenty of places have cheap labour. While their governments tend not to be great they are not in China's league. China isn't torturing people because they want to supply cheap goods. They are torturing people because the authorities are a horrific disgrace to mankind. I am sure they use some of the labour etc. but that doesn't seem to be the core reason. Like the Nazis. They didn't torture Jews for economic reasons. They tortured them because they were terrible human beings.

riclad

China is maybe the worse country for human rights apart from north korea ,theres 1000,s of muslims in prison just for their religion .
They are using state of the art tech to watch everyone,
most people use apps to buy or pay for a service or item.
Its hard to buy anything with cash.The government has a stake in every company, protest or do something the government doe,s not like and be arrested .
Theres the great firewall of china, any apps or websites the government does not approve of are blocked or banned .
there are so many products made in china, tv,s , pc,s ,phones it would be hard for a western country to ban chinese products .
In the 80,s it was japan that was competing with america , in 2019 china is the next superpower.

jetsonx

Look what the cuddly capitalists are getting up to now:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7818775/Tesco-charity-Christmas-cards-packed-Chinese-prison-SLAVES.html

tuxy

Prisoners in the U.S work for $0.08 an hour. Is there much difference?

jetsonx

The US prison service never promotes itself as such.

Reviews and Books Galore

I'd be careful of taking info about China at face value nowadays. There's a lot of misinformation going around both absurdly positive and absurdly negative.

Also, let's not get Americanistic here as we gave a much different relationship with China than America has

Reviews and Books Galore

Christy42 wrote: »

Certainly people wanting cheap goods are not helping. However the the people ultimately to blame are the Chinese authorities.

Plenty of places have cheap labour. While their governments tend not to be great they are not in China's league. China isn't torturing people because they want to supply cheap goods. They are torturing people because the authorities are a horrific disgrace to mankind. I am sure they use some of the labour etc. but that doesn't seem to be the core reason. Like the Nazis. They didn't torture Jews for economic reasons. They tortured them because they were terrible human beings.

Yup, a lot of companies moving to Vietnam which is actually quite "pro" American.

The American War was an insignificant amount of time vs the Chinese war with the country.

sk8erboii

Richard Hillman wrote: »

There is something not believable about this one.

The current Chinese government are probably the most powerful regime in the history of the planet. Not even the Egyptians, Roman Empire, the British Empire, the Soviets etc had a farer reaching influence and intelligence surveillance as the current Chinese government.

Sport (as seen with the NBA, Arsenal, French League) are afraid of their lives of upsetting them. The entertainment industry like Disney, Netflix and so on are tailoring their content to be Chinese friendly.

The Chinese with their surveillance, finance, technology and social credit system is on the brink of becoming the planets greatest ever empire.

And posting from my Huawei phone, I for one know where my bread is buttered and I think the Chinese Government are doing a great job.

You're not going to beat them, don't try, just assimilate.

On a conventional war China would probably lose.

sk8erboii

riclad wrote: »

China is maybe the worse country for human rights apart from north korea ,theres 1000,s of muslims in prison just for their religion .
They are using state of the art tech to watch everyone,
most people use apps to buy or pay for a service or item.
Its hard to buy anything with cash.The government has a stake in every company, protest or do something the government doe,s not like and be arrested .
Theres the great firewall of china, any apps or websites the government does not approve of are blocked or banned .
there are so many products made in china, tv,s , pc,s ,phones it would be hard for a western country to ban chinese products .
In the 80,s it was japan that was competing with america , in 2019 china is the next superpower.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China

This too. China is an evil state.

Fritzbox

jetsonx wrote: »

The US prison service never promotes itself as such.

Why would they? They find enough business as it is.

biko

Chinese organ stealing from Falun Gong members has been going on for years, and have been mentions on boards many many times.

Chinese president Jinping were in Ireland and there were, thankfully, some protests but most people don't give a toss.

biko

If I posted that image inside China I'd end up in an interrogation chair like this


https://reclaimthenet.org/china-man-chair-interrogation-social-credit/

Chris_Heilong

I personally think it is a good thing to get prisoners to work and keep busy it would be good if they adopted that here. Like in the USA were they got chain gangs to fix the roads and such and when they leave prison they have some life skills.

Purgative

Dr. Colossus wrote: »

I would rather be in an Israeli prison than a Chinese or Saudi one tbh.

Food is probably better