Leo Varadkar post Taoiseach

Jinglejangle69 · 22-12-2019 11:03AM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

So who do you suggest ? FG sat around talked about change and did nothing .
Meantime we have thousands of homeless , a hospital which is spiralling out of control ,businesses going to the wall because nothing is being done about the compensation culture , TD cheating the system with no consequences . Our health system failing the ones who need it , our welfare state encouraging people to leech off it

. I could go on but I for one will never vote FG again

Everything you named there FF have past history with.

Seems a lot of young people don’t remember FF and just how corrupt and all the tribunals we had to witness become of them.

Jinglejangle69 · 22-12-2019 11:04AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

FG, nor anyone, to this day can't do anything due to the national bankruptcy in 2010.

We are still in the legacy of the economic collapse which was brought about by the mismanagement of the country by FF.

The legacy will be with us for decades.

1.5 billion debt to be paid back a year for 100 years because of FF.

300,000 young people emigrated due to unemployment.

And people give out about overspend on a children’s hospital and think FF should be back in.

Shefwedfan · 22-12-2019 11:06AM

Leo has done nothing since he became Taoiseach....waste of space

Get him out and never let back in

iamwhoiam · 22-12-2019 11:28AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Everything you named there FF have past history with.

Seems a lot of young people don’t remember FF and just how corrupt and all the tribunals we had to witness become of them.

So you do you suggest I vote for . By the way I am not young , have lived through two major recessions , struggled to get my kids through college , seen the HSE disintegrate , seen homeless increase
So now my question is who do I trust ? No one is my answer , they are all the bloody same , self absorbed and not one bit interested in this country

Kermit.de.frog · 22-12-2019 11:35AM

FG will keep the public finances under control, FF will not.

People may not like the restrictive spending policies but it means the country can't get itself in to a catastrophic situation again like 2010.

Safety must be first priority. With FF that goes out the window and the dice will be rolled again.

Shefwedfan · 22-12-2019 12:15PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If the Irish people put FF back in after what they did to this country then they deserve all they are going to get.

Yes FF had to get finger pointed at them

But then again the common person has to also look at themselves. Gobs**ts buying houses for over 500k with no savings and terrible wages. Crash or no crash they would never have paid off the house

Everyone wanted to get on the property ladder....didn't matter if they could or couldnt pay for it

Move on 10 years....different government, everyone has seen what happened in the crash. Guess what we are doing again?

Now this time people are bitching and moaning because the Central Bank won't let them take out a mortgage that they will never be able to repay.

As I said FF did have questions to answer, so do the public, who have learned absolutely zero from it.

Leo has done zero in the time he has been in. He will claim the abortion vote and the equality. But on equality he held back till he seen the reaction of the country and then came running out to jump on bandwagon. He done f**k all for abortion to be honest. Again waited to see the polls and then jumped on bandwagon

Insurance he has done nothing now for how many years. The children hospital, the perfect site is in his constituacy and he didn't move it. Every person in the country could tell you it was a f**king disaster and shock horror it is.

The HSE is a mess, his dad is a doctor so he should have some experience. The rural BB, he managed to f**k that up when he handed over all the "good" customer to Eir outside the BB process and then all the bidder withdrew. Thats why it is 3 billion or whatever now, nto that Eir cared when they came out and said they could do for 1 billion. Talk about sticking knife in back....

He has a catalogue of f**k up which cannto be discounted. If and I know big IF the crash never happened, he would have been kikced out years ago. He is hanging on because of Brexit, that is over now and off he goes on his mery way> I liked him, I used to live in his area and watched him move up from junior to his current role. I thought he would do good.....but he is useless

Fr_Dougal · 22-12-2019 12:34PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I can't help but think that there is a lot more to Leo than meets the public eye. I don't think it is possible to be complacent and then sort of meander your way to the Teashops office. It just does not happen that way.

You would have to imagine that it gives Mickie Martin such a headache when he is staring into the ceiling at quarter past four in the morning, it must feel awful. He is just unlucky, I never doubted his work ethic, but people will always tar him with the stains of the corrupted FF party of the noughties. He was minister for health when the smoking ban was introduced, he always appears to foot the blame for all the knife edge moments in Irish politics. He basically is very unlucky and you need a bit of luck in politics, especially in Ireland.

With Varadkar I always feel he creates his own luck. He always seems ahead of whatever scandal the opposition creates. He is cuter than the rest of them. Hardly remarkable mind you.

Martin spent €4,000 on a 2 night stay in a hotel when he was minister. Yeah, very unlucky.

riddles · 22-12-2019 12:37PM

Leo’s done what he intended to do - nothing. Use PR and spin. A strategy that has unraveled like a cheap suit because of his mates Harris and Murphy being a pair of clowns. But he appointed them so it’s on him.

Kermit.de.frog · 22-12-2019 12:40PM

To be fair Brexit has taken an inordinate amount of focus just to stop a border being erected on our island.

It takes that focus because the Brits don't care.

Suckit · 22-12-2019 01:02PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

FG will keep the public finances under control, FF will not.

People may not like the restrictive spending policies but it means the country can't get itself in to a catastrophic situation again like 2010.

Safety must be first priority. With FF that goes out the window and the dice will be rolled again.

You seem to have forgotten about the €2 Billion plus hospital, The €3 Billion plus Rural Broadband being put down by Actavo. The milliions spent on the courtcase defending their reasons why we shouldn't claim the €13 Billion that Apple owe.

That is unfortunately not even close to the full amount that they have incompetently squandered. It may not be incompetence, it could be that they are just lining 'friends' pockets. Either way it is grim.

Loafing Oaf · 22-12-2019 01:25PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Don’t be fooled by Michael.

https://www.broadsheet.ie/2011/02/11/so-why-did-that-money-end-up-in-your-wifes-account-mr-martin/

“So, Why Did That Money End Up In Your Wife’s Bank Account, Mr Martin?”

This interview must have been a similar experience for Martin as Father Ted had when he was getting the Golden Cleric award and the presenters kept going on about the

He must have felt like interjecting

IAMAMORON · 22-12-2019 01:38PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Martin spent €4,000 on a 2 night stay in a hotel when he was minister. Yeah, very unlucky.

Small Beans on the overall scheme of things. Very wasteful and endemic of his political generation, or even worse his wife's aspirations. As I said, it is a shoulder shrug when it boils down. In fairness effeffers have an awful reputation for wasting state funds, there really is nothing to see here.

sabat · 22-12-2019 02:27PM

On the marriage referendum-this was largely an irrelevant PR spectacle because it's quite likely that gay marriage was already permissible here under existing equality legislation and could have been dealt with judicially.

IAMAMORON · 22-12-2019 02:40PM

sabat wrote: »

On the marriage referendum-this was largely an irrelevant PR spectacle because it's quite likely that gay marriage was already permissible here under existing equality legislation and could have been dealt with judicially.

Make sure this gets included in the next eff eff election mandate. The yes voters will appreciate it. Considering they were in power for 50 years and never dreamt of delivering it.....

Get a grip.

touts · 22-12-2019 02:46PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

FG, nor anyone, to this day can't do anything due to the national bankruptcy in 2010.

We are still in the legacy of the economic collapse which was brought about by the mismanagement of the country by FF.

The legacy will be with us for decades.

Ok this conversation on Leo's future is being increasingly hijacked by members of the Fine Gael social media team and their spin of "never mind the last 10 years. It's still all FF's fault". However at only 33% satisfaction in this morning's Sunday Times poll it's pretty clear that the public aren't buying that bullsh1t any more. Leo is down to 38% satisfaction and falling. It's clear that the public have lost faith in him and he is dragging FG down with him. That's why the discussion is starting on what Leo does next and Kermit and the other members of the FG spin team would be better off deciding which horse Simon or Pascal they are going to back to try and win back the public support.

IAMAMORON · 22-12-2019 02:58PM

touts wrote: »

Ok this conversation on Leo's future is being increasingly hijacked by members of the Fine Gael social media team and their spin of "never mind the last 10 years. It's still all FF's fault". However at only 33% satisfaction in this morning's Sunday Times poll it's pretty clear that the public aren't buying that bullsh1t any more. Leo is down to 38% satisfaction and falling. It's clear that the public have lost faith in him and he is dragging FG down with him. That's why the discussion is starting on what Leo does next and Kermit and the other members of the FG spin team would be better off deciding which horse Simon or Pascal they are going to back to try and win back the public support.

If the only thing the effeffers are offering is that the Teashop is unpopular they really are struggling at this point.

Opening up a crank thread on an online forum is not going to secure votes either.

At this rate Leo can be looking forward to another 3 to 4 years come the summer. Cranking won't work, you need to find interesting issues that will gain votes. As I alluded to earlier on, the majority of voters in Irelnad don't care about homelessness, they don't like it but they know well that Mickie Martin will not be solving it. The Hospital issue is a complete waste of time. No votes will be gained here cranking this one, it will be washed off with a bit of decent PR.

The main reason that the effeffers will be losing seats is that they are a stagnant party offering no solutions and no viable alternatives. They are losing votes left right and centre, their main support base is withering. Headless chickens spring to mind, it is really sad.

_Kaiser_ · 22-12-2019 03:11PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

The main reason that the effeffers will be losing seats is that they are a stagnant party offering no solutions and no viable alternatives. They are losing votes left right and centre, their main support base is withering. Headless chickens spring to mind, it is really sad.

The desperate attempt to deflect from the abysmal failures under not just Leo's but Enda's government in your post is amusing but the above quote is massively ironic - why? Because it precisely describes the situation FG find themselves in now!

Or maybe you missed the local elections, falling polls, increasing anger from the electorate with regards to the worsening situations in health, housing, insurance and the other serious issues that have developed into national crisis under their watch.

As for the headless chickens comment - considering FG is currently led by a man who has no real agenda or identity beyond using the office as a means to meet Kylie and boost his Twitter profile, that's a laughable statement in itself.

FG and their supporters are always their own worst enemies in the end. They genuinely can't see the hypocrisy and arrogance I think, and really believe that spin and smear is enough to make the electorate forget about the uncomfortable truths I refer to above, when in the end they have only themselves to blame for the situation they find themselves in.

As I keep saying.... FG - making FF electable again!

joseywhales · 22-12-2019 03:31PM

Avoiding a hard border is the greatest political victory since the GFA. He runs a country burdened by debt with out of date infrastructure and a history of corruption. He is a very good debater, very smart and represents the country well. I am just glad we weren't represented by enda during Brexit negotiations, I think he would not have had the neck for it.

The country is falling apart but I don't see how a change in leadership solves the issues with healthcare, insurance, public transport, gardai etc etc. When I think about politicians that actually stole from the state i.e. Haughey, varadkar by comparison is like Nelson Mandela. I recoil Everytime I read homophobic slurs masquerade as 'humour' from posters regarding leo, it's embarrassing.

IAMAMORON · 22-12-2019 03:32PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The desperate attempt to deflect from the abysmal failures under not just Leo's but Enda's government in your post is amusing but the above quote is massively ironic - why? Because it precisely describes the situation FG find themselves in now!

Or maybe you missed the local elections, falling polls, increasing anger from the electorate with regards to the worsening situations in health, housing, insurance and the other serious issues that have developed into national crisis under their watch.

As for the headless chickens comment - considering FG is currently led by a man who has no real agenda or identity beyond using the office as a means to meet Kylie and boost his Twitter profile, that's a laughable statement in itself.

FG and their supporters are always their own worst enemies in the end. They genuinely can't see the hypocrisy and arrogance I think, and really believe that spin and smear is enough to make the electorate forget about the uncomfortable truths I refer to above, when in the end they have only themselves to blame for the situation they find themselves in.

As I keep saying.... FG - making FF electable again!

Health - Does not affect FG voters. They are predominantly all working and have private health insurance. Dissing the HSE is a waste of time. It is another cobweb from the old regime.

Housing - this is not a middle class issue, they won't be losing votes here either. The homelessness issue just gets bandied about down the pub by the shoulder shrugging brigade. No one is ever going to vote for Fianna Fail because people are homeless. What a joke.

Insurance - A witless crank scheme. If anyone gains votes here it will be the left wing and a few independent cranks. The usual cronies won't be switching sides here because premiums are increasing.

You sound like an ardent effeffer. That's fine. But unless you actually bring alternatives to the table your party is doomed. Polls don't win elections, neither does a bit of bad press.

joseywhales · 22-12-2019 03:33PM

The incumbent will always be vilified, it's always been that way, it is easier to be destructive than constructive.

Fann Linn · 22-12-2019 03:34PM

I'm just glad we were represented by Coveney during Brexit and not Leo.

joseywhales · 22-12-2019 03:46PM

Oh I forgot the leader is only responsible for any failures within the departments, his reports are responsible for any achievements.

I Am The Law · 22-12-2019 04:00PM

I just want him gone, hopeless uneducated politician, an embarrassment internationally.

Shefwedfan · 22-12-2019 04:05PM

joseywhales wrote: »

Avoiding a hard border is the greatest political victory since the GFA. He runs a country burdened by debt with out of date infrastructure and a history of corruption. He is a very good debater, very smart and represents the country well. I am just glad we weren't represented by enda during Brexit negotiations, I think he would not have had the neck for it.

The country is falling apart but I don't see how a change in leadership solves the issues with healthcare, insurance, public transport, gardai etc etc. When I think about politicians that actually stole from the state i.e. Haughey, varadkar by comparison is like Nelson Mandela. I recoil Everytime I read homophobic slurs masquerade as 'humour' from posters regarding leo, it's embarrassing.

It's hardly a glowing reference is it

Stick with Leo, he is useless f**ker, but he is our useless f**ker :-)

joseywhales · 22-12-2019 04:12PM

Uneducated? What? I can only think of Garret Fitzgerald as being a more educated taoiseach in the history of the state. Maybe there was another one in there.

joseywhales · 22-12-2019 04:13PM

I think we expect too much from our leaders and that's how we end up with cowboys, who get by on charm alone as they swindle us for their own personal gain. Give me boring anyday.

Arthur Daley · 22-12-2019 04:27PM

He knows the reality is that the big decisions are EU wide and intercontinental at this stage. Local branch doesn't have any real power to say no for fear of the smear campaign that would be launched against that country e.g. hungary, england, poland and russia. So Taoiseach is really just a caretaker job.

You can see how life went on for how long after the last GE in 2016 before this rag tag govt. was formed. That was a wake up call IMO. Plus the trouble Britain has had trying to implement their own vote from mid 2016. Shocking stuff. You might not like the result but try and respect democracy.

Shefwedfan · 22-12-2019 04:28PM

I Am The Law wrote: »

I just want him gone, hopeless uneducated politician, an embarrassment internationally.

Uneducated? you can't accuse him of that......

I Am The Law · 22-12-2019 04:50PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Uneducated? you can't accuse him of that......

There's a lot more to education than a few years in college playing with the debating society.
The man has no real life experiences.

Yurt2 · 22-12-2019 05:18PM

I Am The Law wrote: »

There's a lot more to education than a few years in college playing with the debating society.
The man has no real life experiences.

I'm not a fan of his at all, but he would have had to complete a fairly exhaustive medical traineeship, and I believe he practiced also for a while before becoming a TD. That's fairly real world to me.

Do we want our TDs to be a minimum of 50 years old and to produce a checklsit resume or what?

Leo Varadkar post Taoiseach

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