ISIS people returning thread - no Lisa Smith talk (21/12/19)

end of the road · 20-12-2019 1:20pm

Limpy wrote: »

It should be Death by firing squad for any person committing terrorist offences in Syria, they should of handed any western people caught in Syria to the Syrian government.

unless the syrian government stated that they wanted such people, then handing them these people would have simply led to those people being thrown out to where they came from anyway, most likely.
in all likely hood they actually don't want anymore then they have already got, because they know that there are attempts to use their country as a dumping ground for foreign isis fighters by countries who think they are to supperior to actually deal with them.

Boggles · 20-12-2019 1:21pm

biko wrote: »

Which quote is the one you have problems with?

Why did you leave this one out?

But if you watch the news and you listen, and even our Taoiseach three weeks ago said he'd take in an extra 200, eh what do you call, migrants from Africa - these are economic migrants.

"These are people that are coming over here from Africa to sponge off the system here in Ireland

Listen if you think Noel gives a flying fúck about migrants from anywhere I have a bridge here that I can sell you on the cheap.

Actual I take that back he says he cares about "Christian" ones.

So a bit of religious bigotry thrown in for good measure.

The lad is an absolute Cretin, the only thing he gives a shít about is the 100,000s he is creaming in unvouched expenses.

mgn · 20-12-2019 1:28pm

Boggles wrote: »

I called one person racist because he was acting like a racist little bollix. Sue me.

Also pointing out reality is not defending anyway, you do understand that right?

Your patrolling every thread every day dishing out you racist cards every day, so someone is behind it.
Who is the ''he'' your referring to, the ex FG candidate i'm referring to is a woman.

Fr_Dougal · 20-12-2019 1:33pm

People seem to have a very short memory when it comes to ISIS, perhaps this will remind them: https://youtu.be/i1Eqe5s1rmY

I haven’t embedded it so people have a choice to view it or not. Probably NSFW.

stefanovich · 20-12-2019 1:36pm

She should not be out on bail. Accepting her back and punishing her here is fine but letting her out? She is a huge risk and might just decide to take out a few of us on her way to hell.

mgn · 20-12-2019 1:38pm

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

People seem to have a very short memory when it comes to ISIS, perhaps this will remind them: https://youtu.be/i1Eqe5s1rmY

I haven’t embedded it so people have a choice to view it or not. Probably NSFW.

For a few on here its not in their job description to view it, it might sway their judgement and have to stop calling people racist.

mgn · 20-12-2019 1:39pm

stefanovich wrote: »

She should not be out on bail. Accepting her back and punishing her here is fine but letting her out? She is a huge risk and might just decide to take out a few of us on her way to hell.

No hell for her, only paradise.

biko · 20-12-2019 1:40pm

It seems some people have a way of forgetting the ISIS atrocities.
The more perplexing is they think it's good to bring home ISIS terrorists so the victim of ISIS and their perpetrators can actually meet.

Yazidi slave girl meets Isis captor in German street

WrenBoy · 20-12-2019 1:56pm

biko wrote: »

It seems some people have a way of forgetting the ISIS atrocities.
The more perplexing is they think it's good to bring home ISIS terrorists so the victim of ISIS and their perpetrators can actually meet.

Yazidi slave girl meets Isis captor in German street

Imagine surviving all that thinking you were some bit safe and you see this dog strolling up the street doing his shopping. Jesus..

cfuserkildare · 20-12-2019 2:09pm

end of the road wrote: »

there isn't any other option.
they belong to their country of origin wherever it may be, if those countries refuse to take them back, then other countries have a right to refuse taking back citizens for any reason, big or small.

that's ultimately irrelevant.
the caliphate was never going anywhere thankfully.

that's not possible, at least not indefinitely.
the syrians have a right to deport people back to where they came from.

mythical enablers and do gooders aren't cheering anyone on.
if they are managing to regroup in their home countries then that is the fault of the authorities there, however if they were left in syria they would be much, much more dangerous.

there in all likely hood will be, however sensible countries will have the laws in place to stop members before they are able to do anything, on the basis of learning from how to handle isis.

i'm sure they may, but islam won't be ruling the world.

it's not possible to prevent people from a particular country from ultimately returning to that country.
the country can try, but those individuals can get back of their own accord, and the deporting country, as in syria, turkey etc, can simply throw them back or just release them depending on whatever they decide is best.
the reality is countries are going to have to grow up and deal with this, syria won't keep these people.
the only option on the table is sending people, who may have irish citizenship but aren't irish born, to their countries of origin if they are found to have had anything to do with isis, but then if they were just born in a country but hardly lived there, that other country probably isn't going to play ball.

The first line of your comment may not be entirely accurate,

To become a member of ISIS isn't a person required to recind the citizenship of their home country?

Ie giving up theyre passports, and Right to a Passport?

biko · 20-12-2019 2:11pm

This conversation is really just a rehash of one I had in February in this very thread.

I said it then and I'll say it now. Send them Saudi Arabia for housing there.
They get to be in the closest thing there is to a caliphate and we don't have to worry about them radicalising immigrants and Irish people.

Im sure the Saudis will welcome them with open arms.

WrenBoy · 20-12-2019 2:16pm

cfuserkildare wrote: »

The first line of your comment may not be entirely accurate,

To become a member of ISIS isn't a person required to recind the citizenship of their home country?

Ie giving up theyre passports, and Right to a Passport?

Ya they did but the world doesn't recognise "i.s" as a nation state and they have no land so its like saying Im not Irish anymore Im a member of Galway Anglers State (no offence G.A.S) unfortunately there is no place to send them, I'd be happy to send them to the moon myself.

jmreire · 20-12-2019 2:46pm

biko wrote: »

This conversation is really just a rehash of one I had in February in this very thread.

I said it then and I'll say it now. Send them Saudi Arabia for housing there.
They get to be in the closest thing there is to a caliphate and we don't have to worry about them radicalising immigrants and Irish people.

Im sure the Saudis will welcome them with open arms.

Sending them to Saudi Arabia would be the ideal solution, as the Wahhabi version of Islam is one of the most fundamentalist in the World, but even that was not extreme enough for isis. And the last thing that the Saudis want is any even more extreme version of Islam threatening their own monopoly of that religion. They even disowned Osama Bin Laden and withdrew his citizenship. So as far as isis goes, No Thanks' ..There are factions within Islam world wide who are questioning the Saudi Family's right to be the sole guardians of Islam just because Mecca is located in Saudi Arabia. If isis was successful, they would have been a serious threat to the House of Saud. So, No, they would not be welcome there.

end of the road · 20-12-2019 2:48pm

cfuserkildare wrote: »

The first line of your comment may not be entirely accurate,

To become a member of ISIS isn't a person required to recind the citizenship of their home country?

Ie giving up theyre passports, and Right to a Passport?

isis is not a state and is quite rightly not recognised as such.
a person can only become a citizen of a state, not a terrorist group.
therefore their citizenship of their home country remains.

biko wrote: »

This conversation is really just a rehash of one I had in February in this very thread.

I said it then and I'll say it now. Send them Saudi Arabia for housing there.
They get to be in the closest thing there is to a caliphate and we don't have to worry about them radicalising immigrants and Irish people.

Im sure the Saudis will welcome them with open arms.

that is not possible.
a country cannot be forced to take on citizens of another country.
saudi arabia cannot be forced to take foreign isis members and they will not do so.

skooterblue2 · 20-12-2019 4:52pm

Boggles wrote: »

How do you "eject" an Irish Citizen living here?

The same way Muslim countries treated Jihadis after the Afghanistan war ended in the 1980's.
"The door is closed, you arent welcome".

Sawduck · 20-12-2019 6:27pm

Ya we really shouldn't take any former isis members back to Ireland, they will just be free within a week, we live in a weak country who parden terrorists

Boggles · 20-12-2019 6:50pm

skooterblue2 wrote: »

The same way Muslim countries treated Jihadis after the Afghanistan war ended in the 1980's.
"The door is closed, you arent welcome".

Yeah in the scenario mentioned they are all ready in, but you are half right the door is closed.

ohnonotgmail · 20-12-2019 10:21pm

cfuserkildare wrote: »

The first line of your comment may not be entirely accurate,

To become a member of ISIS isn't a person required to recind the citizenship of their home country?

Ie giving up theyre passports, and Right to a Passport?

that question has been asked and answered at least 20 times already

biko · 21-12-2019 10:17am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

that question has been asked and answered at least 20 times already

There are three and a half thousand posts in this thread.
Are you telling the user they have to read all those posts because you don't want to give them the answer?

ohnonotgmail · 21-12-2019 8:00pm

biko wrote: »

There are three and a half thousand posts in this thread.
Are you telling the user they have to read all those posts because you don't want to give them the answer?

there is nothing stopping you giving the answer

jmreire · 21-12-2019 10:02pm

cfuserkildare wrote: »

The first line of your comment may not be entirely accurate,

To become a member of ISIS isn't a person required to recind the citizenship of their home country?

Ie giving up theyre passports, and Right to a Passport?

Standing in the middle of the isis welcoming committee for new member's in Raqqa and ritually throwing your passport on the fire, while declaring publicly your forever rejection of your " former " country's citizenship, doe's not in fact end your citizenship of that Country. Destroying the document does not change the fact that you are still it's citizen. A Country can only reclaim citizenship from some one who already has or is entitled to citizenship of a second Country. You cannot be made stateless. The UK Government tried to remove UK citizenship from their isis girl Begum, as her parents were originally from Bangladesh. So in theory she would not be stateless ( despite the fact that she had never lived in Bangladesh.) But the Bangladeshi Government point blank refused to grant her citizenship , and so the UK have to accept her back in England.
Here in Ireland each year 100's of passport's are lost,,, but that does not make them stateless.....It need's a replacement passport / travel document, and that's that.

Beasty · 22-12-2019 11:02pm

More posts deleted. Any more Lisa Smith talk and we'll have to close the thread

Any questions PM me. Do not respond to this post in-thread

biko · 21-01-2020 8:49am

How another country does things differently

Norway's governing coalition collapses over ISIS repatriation
Norway's ruling coalition has disbanded after the populist Progress Party (FRP) left the government, partly due to the repatriation of a mother with suspected ISIS links from Syria.
Siv Jensen, leader of the Progress Party, said she would take the party out of the right-wing coalition government Monday.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/20/europe/norway-government-collapse-isis-intl/index.html

ISIS people returning thread - no Lisa Smith talk (21/12/19)

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