Runner that slapped reporters ass, is facing criminal charges

threeball · 15-12-2019 11:48PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Your just ripping the piss. I am laughing at you.

If any babe in work slapped my arse I would take her home and ride her. Get it out of the way.

Why would you go to the Gards because a babe in work came on to you ?

Women would do the same if they fancy the bloke or if their mates aren't too disapproving.

God help ya if she thinks your a ugly bastard though

Ironicname · 15-12-2019 11:49PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote:

We're there 2 questions? One seemed like a statement and what might be The other question was answered earlier. I think the law says it's sexual battery. Tats what matters. I think it's sexual.battery under the law. I think that's pretty clear.

Yeah I can see why it was hard to tell if there was two questions.

Ironicname wrote:

Let me ask you two more question which are non specific and your answer will be telling:

Ironicname wrote:

Is smacking another grown persons arse without consent sexual battery in your opinion? And if it is not, what should the parameters be that makes it sexual battery?

In your opinion.

I know you feel your opinion is not important and I feel for you in that regard.

It must be terrible to not be able to vocalise your thoughts because you feel they are inadequate.

I know you feel your thoughts aren't important. You've said as much. And for what it's worth, I agree with you with regards the bits and pieces you have let seep out.

But perhaps answering a few questions rather than talking nonsense and then hiding behind "I'm not an expert" when knowing an honest answer would show you up would do a little more for your character

Potential-Monke · 15-12-2019 11:53PM

I think people getting hung up on the use of the word battery, which is a catch all for physical force. It doesn't mean beating the living crap out of someone, like it kind of infers. It's another word for assault, and in Ireland we use the word assault instead, which is not as aggressive.

Die Hard 2019 · 15-12-2019 11:56PM

threeball wrote: »

Women would do the same if they fancy the bloke or if their mates aren't too disapproving.

God help ya if she thinks your a ugly bastard though

It's soo true, looks are everything in these situations.or to be clearer the reception is everything. In the old days you could slap a girls ass and if she liked it you could ride her and if she didn't she tell you to feck off. Now a days you are apparently a criminal if the receiver doesn't appreciate the attention.

Ive never used internet dating but I think it's made women as to filter male attention to only what interests them.

Ironicname · 15-12-2019 11:57PM

Potential-Monke wrote:

I think people getting hung up on the use of the word battery, which is a catch all for physical force. It doesn't mean beating the living crap out of someone, like it kind of infers. It's another word for assault, and in Ireland we use the word assault instead, which is not as aggressive.

I accept that. It's the use of the word sexual which is causing the issue.

Sittingpretty · 16-12-2019 12:09AM

JayZeus wrote: »

Blah blah blah. Whatabout blah blah.

Runner was a dope.

Reporter is a total drama queen.

They both deserve a kick in the hole.

This a thousand times over!

Couldn’t agree more.

IAMAMORON · 16-12-2019 12:16AM

Die Hard 2019 wrote: »

It's soo true, looks are everything in these situations.or to be clearer the reception is everything. In the old days you could slap a girls ass and if she liked it you could ride her and if she didn't she tell you to feck off. Now a days you are apparently a criminal if the receiver doesn't appreciate the attention.

Ive never used internet dating but I think it's made women as to filter male attention to only what interests them.

This is the truth. At last. The modern women selects her partner at the swipe of her thumb. God help the honest men of the future.

Meanwhile arse slapping is made a criminal offense.

I shudder to think what women will come with next to criminalise. What are we looking at , hand shaking? Winking? Hugging? Cheek Kissing?

I still don't understand how a slap on the arse has a sexual connotation to it, in particular if it is being done as a gesture of warmth to the recipient.

Sometimes I slap my partner's arse during intercourse ( quite vigorously and very hard), is this " sexual assault and battery " or a guilty pleasure that both partners enjoy?

El_Duderino 09 · 16-12-2019 12:17AM

Polynesia505 wrote: »

No it's not something he has to take up with the US legal system. This is just a forum for having a chat and exchanging views. You don't seem to be able to accept that other people are entitled to regard a slap on the ass as fairly trivial, you have your opinion, and other people have theirs. Most people in the real world don't think a slap on the ass is worthy of going before the courts.

I think people can have all kinds of opinions. Whether it’s counts as sexual
Battery is up to the law to decide. My opinion doesn’t really matter in that regard because it’s a matter of law and I don’t maker adjudicate or enforce the laws. There’s nothing difficult about it.

El_Duderino 09 · 16-12-2019 12:20AM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Sometimes I slap my partner's arse during intercourse ( quite vigorously and very hard), is this " sexual assault and battery " or a guilty pleasure that both partners enjoy?

Depends on whether you both consent to it. If you both consent then it’s grand. But that’s for you to work out between you. That should be fairly obvious to an adult.

El_Duderino 09 · 16-12-2019 12:27AM

Ironicname wrote: »

Yeah I can see why it was hard to tell if there was two questions.

In your opinion.

I know you feel your opinion is not important and I feel for you in that regard.

It must be terrible to not be able to vocalise your thoughts because you feel they are inadequate.

I know you feel your thoughts aren't important. You've said as much. And for what it's worth, I agree with you with regards the bits and pieces you have let seep out.

But perhaps answering a few questions rather than talking nonsense and then hiding behind "I'm not an expert" when knowing an honest answer would show you up would do a little more for your character

Oh I see the questions you’re referring to.

Ok I’ll answer them for you. Anything to help because you really don’t seem to understand the situation.

Is slapping arses sexual battery? As with most matters of a sexual nature, it depends on consent. Obviously. So slapping arses of strangers With whom you don’t have any kind of consent understanding, is really likely to fall under sexual battery (I’m not sure if it’s the same legal term and definition used in Ireland).

So the answer to the questions are as follows
1 it depends
2 consent is the main factor.

Times have changed. Maybe slapping women’s arses was good banter back in your day but it isn’t anymore.
Hope this helps.

El_Duderino 09 · 16-12-2019 12:32AM

Polynesia505 wrote: »

It would be nice if certain people could actually express the chip on their shoulder and their true opinions rather than hiding behind a false persona and continually being obtuse as a means of expressing that chip on the shoulder

Tell us about it. But they’ll either come around or they won’t. We are only accountable to ourselves. The poster saying this case wouldn’t stop them slapping arses was only talking tough. Anyone who says they’ll willingly put themselves in that kind of legal jeopardy for the sake of a slapping someone’s arse against their will, is only talking nonsense on the internet.

But you’re right, it would be better if they didn’t hide behind the nonsense persona.

Ironicname · 16-12-2019 12:53AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote:

So the answer to the questions are as follows 1 it depends 2 consent is the main factor.

So it depends on whether or not smacking another person's backside is sexual battery and consent is the main factor. Despite you giving examples when non consensual arse slapping is ok.

You are right.

Your opinion is 100% not important.

I'll go one further and say your opinion is not only unimportant; it's cowardly, contradictory, ignorant, insulting and damaging to people who actually suffered from sexual assault.

Sarahdunners · 16-12-2019 12:57AM

Ironicname wrote: »

So it depends on whether or not smacking another person's backside is sexual battery and consent is the main factor. Despite you giving examples when non consensual arse slapping is ok.

You are right.

Your opinion is 100% not important.

I'll go one further and say your opinion is not only unimportant; it's cowardly, contradictory, ignorant, insulting and damaging to people who actually suffered from sexual assault.

I have suffered sexual assault and his opinion is not insulting to me. So you are wrong.

You, on the other hand are constantly coming across as nasty and aggressive. You don't seem to be able to communicate with people without insulting them. Learn communication skills

Sarahdunners · 16-12-2019 12:59AM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Your just ripping the piss. I am laughing at you.

If any babe in work slapped my arse I would take her home and ride her. Get it out of the way.

Why would you go to the Gards because a babe in work came on to you ?

Who said she wanted to ride you. She didn't in that scenario.

Your posts are coming across as knuckle - dragging and stupid.

El_Duderino 09 · 16-12-2019 01:11AM

Ironicname wrote: »

So it depends on whether or not smacking another person's backside is sexual battery and consent is the main factor. Despite you giving examples when non consensual arse slapping is ok.

You are right.

Your opinion is 100% not important.

I'll go one further and say your opinion is not only unimportant; it's cowardly, contradictory, ignorant, insulting and damaging to people who actually suffered from sexual assault.

Oh dear. You've managed to misunderstand a fair bit there. It's like you forget one post as so as the next post comes along.

Obviously it depends. And obviously consent is the main factor. Context is another factor (which I've said a fair few times) and in football, arse slapping has a particular understanding (as I've also said a few times before).

At this stage I've no idea what you actual point is. You seem to have painted yourself into a corner where you can't even acknowledge the Importance of factors like consent. Lol. That must be a bit embarrassing.

IAMAMORON · 16-12-2019 01:14AM

Sarahdunners wrote: »

Who said she wanted to ride you. She didn't in that scenario.

Your posts are coming across as knuckle - dragging and stupid.

I have and will always take any female attention to my arse very seriously.

It is a very common icebreaker used by women. Pinching and or slapping of the ass. I have always taken this as a genuine come on. It is basically yours to lose at this point. You may not have sealed the deal, but you are half-way to happy times.

Once a women has slapped or pinched your arse in a flirtatious manner it is really only a matter of time before things escalate. I would be expecting to be deeply and passionately kissing a women within anytime between 5 seconds to an hour after she began playing with my arse.

Ironicname · 16-12-2019 01:20AM

Sarahdunners wrote:

I have suffered sexual assault and his opinion is not insulting to me. So you are wrong.

And this is why I don't think you should be taken seriously. You genuinely feel that you speak for everyone that has been sexually assaulted. You don't.

I said his stance (or lack of one) on what constitutes sexual battery is insulting to people who have been sexually assaulted. Not all people. I never claimed to speak for them all.

Sarahdunners wrote:

You, on the other hand are constantly coming across as nasty and aggressive. You don't seem to be able to communicate with people without insulting them. Learn communication skills

If I come across nasty and aggressive to you, that's unfortunate. I pride myself on at least being honest and holding an opinion. You at least know where you stand with me. You can choose not to engage with me.

You seem to believe that communication skills somehow revolve around capitulating to emotion rather than reason, or to hide behind semantics rather than sense.

You, for example, claimed I was trying to exert my control over you when I said you shouldn't be taken seriously.

Do you hold yourself to the same standard and think you are exerting unwarranted control by calling me aggressive? Is that insulting me? Should you be ashamed of yourself for saying that? Or is it a case of you thinking that your own standards don't apply to yourself?

threeball · 16-12-2019 01:27AM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I have and will always take any female attention to my arse very seriously.

It is a very common icebreaker used by women. Pinching and or slapping of the ass. I have always taken this as a genuine come on. It is basically yours to lose at this point. You may not have sealed the deal, but you are half-way to happy times.

Once a women has slapped or pinched your arse in a flirtatious manner it is really only a matter of time before things escalate. I would be expecting to be deeply and passionately kissing a women within anytime between 5 seconds to an hour after she began playing with my arse.

Dont forget to ask for consent to kiss her regardless of the mood kill(intuition is no longer acceptable), then ask for consent to get to second base, her hand on your sack is not a green light, and you better make Damn sure you have consent before you release your little friend. In fact I'd probably get an app where she can sign off on each stage as you can never be too careful. She'll respect you all the more for it too.

Ironicname · 16-12-2019 01:36AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote:

Obviously it depends. And obviously consent is the main factor. Context is another factor (which I've said a fair few times) and in football, arse slapping has a particular understanding (as I've also said a few times before).

So context is important. Perfect. We agree.

El_Duderino 09 wrote:

At this stage I've no idea what you actual point is. You seem to have painted yourself into a corner where you can't even acknowledge the Importance of factors like consent. Lol. That must be a bit embarrassing.

Consent is important where sexual matters are concerned. Absolutely.

So that brings me to my question again...

Where in your opinion and in what context does a smack on the arse become sexual assault?

threeball · 16-12-2019 01:51AM

This is the kind of sh1te this whole stupid movement produces
https://www.ccn.com/taylor-swift-bites-the-hand-that-made-her-rich-and-famous/

Toxic male privilege being called out by a spoiled, entitled and extremely privileged white female. You couldnt make it up

dubstarr · 16-12-2019 02:42AM

Treasure Sticky Weirdness wrote: »

She thinks women have the right to go about their jobs without being harassed.

Of course they do, but it's also the case that many reporters have been shot, maimed by landmines, captured and beaten by gangs, kidnapped and tortured by terrorists, or jailed by repressive governments. James Foley, Daniel Pearl, and others have been decapitated. Ireland's own Veronica Guerin was murdered. Bulgarian journalist Viktoria Marinova was raped and murdered last year after investigating alleged fraud involving EU funds. All in the course of doing their jobs.

For this woman to be bleating that a mere slap on the ass from a marathon runner "stole her power" is an embarrassment to the many brave journalists who risk their lives daily in the course of their jobs.

Going in to a warzone you expect snipers,landmines.That reporter standing with her back to the runners.Didnt expect that.Thats not part of the job description.

And how dare you belittle her feelings.
How would you feel if a man slapped your daughters arse,or felt her up.Would you be saying its harmless.No i bet you wouldnt.

As women we have had to take some crap from men,and now slowly but surely the tide is turning and the men dont like it.

Ironicname · 16-12-2019 07:00AM

dubstarr wrote:

As women we have had to take some crap from men,and now slowly but surely the tide is turning and the men dont like it.

Take back the power.
You go girl.
Sisters doin it for themselves.
Independent women!!!!

Ffs.

"As women"

"The men don't like it".

Grow up. You don't represent or speak for women as a collective.

You may think you do as you probably surround yourself with like minded shrill harpies, but thankfully, most women and most men don't and recognise the individual.

"As women"? Ffs

Jesus wept. Do you just do this for men and women?

dubstarr · 16-12-2019 08:48AM

Ironicname wrote: »

Take back the power.
You go girl.
Sisters doin it for themselves.
Independent women!!!!

Ffs.

"As women"

"The men don't like it".

Grow up. You don't represent or speak for women as a collective.

You may think you do as you probably surround yourself with like minded shrill harpies, but thankfully, most women and most men don't and recognise the individual.

"As women"? Ffs

Jesus wept. Do you just do this for men and women?

Me grow up.Shrill Harpies.That explains your mindset.You think the man done nothing wrong.
Its the womans fault hes getting done for sexual battery.

Nothing todo with the fact,he put his hands on her.He decided to do that.

Well you know,actions have consequences and this is his.And his alone.

El_Duderino 09 · 16-12-2019 09:02AM

Ironicname wrote: »

So context is important. Perfect. We agree.

Consent is important where sexual matters are concerned. Absolutely.

So that brings me to my question again...

Where in your opinion and in what context does a smack on the arse become sexual assault?

Oh yes we agree. Consent and context are important. So the example we have used of football teammates slapping each others arses is an example where it's probably fine. And if a complete stranger slaps another person's arse when they have no prior relationship (hence consent couldn't possibly be agreed) and the context is a one off encounter, then arse slapping is not indicated - great chance that's sexual assault. And the law agreed it was in fact worth prosecuting as sexual battery.

Since we both agree consent is key; do you think the woman gave consent to the guy to slap her arse?

El_Duderino 09 · 16-12-2019 09:08AM

dubstarr wrote: »

Going in to a warzone you expect snipers,landmines.That reporter standing with her back to the runners.Didnt expect that.Thats not part of the job description.

And how dare you belittle her feelings.
How would you feel if a man slapped your daughters arse,or felt her up.Would you be saying its harmless.No i bet you wouldnt.

As women we have had to take some crap from men,and now slowly but surely the tide is turning and the men dont like it.

Some men don't like it. Most are getting along fine in the modern world where arse slapping isn't ok.

Most men are fine with the world changing. Some men can't keep up.

I don't know if you said "men don't like it" meaning you think all/most men or just shorthand for some men who struggle in the modern world.

dubstarr · 16-12-2019 09:49AM

Dino_Baggio wrote: »

Nearly everyone has said what he did was wrong. It's the dramatic and hysterical over reaction people are onjecting to.

The person i was answering and IAMAMORAN[apt username] dont think so.They think its fine and dandy to slap womens arses.

If the runner thought he did anything wrong,he would have stopped and apologized.He didint.He only said sorry when the reporter put it on Twitter.

16-12-2019 09:51AM

dubstarr wrote: »

Me grow up.Shrill Harpies.That explains your mindset.You think the man done nothing wrong.
Its the womans fault hes getting done for sexual battery.

Nothing todo with the fact,he put his hands on her.He decided to do that.

Well you know,actions have consequences and this is his.And his alone.

Sorry to butt (pun intended) in but IronicName has explicitly stated said that the man was 100% at fault for his actions and should suffer the consequences of his actions and the woman in question was in no way at fault for what happened. He has an issue with the framing of what the man did as "sexual battery". What makes you lie and say that he said that he thinks the man did nothing wrong?

I think he is owed an apology at best or a retraction at worst.

As regards to it being "her fault" that he is being done for sexual battery, in some part yes. As the poster said, the woman is responsible for her reaction to what happened, but it is the legislators that are responsible for the ridiculous hyperbolic phrasing of the offence.

The question is, as you alluded to, are women and men different animals (e.g "as women" or "the men") and should be treated as separate entities, or do you believe that people should be judged on their own actions?

If so, you were wrong to phrase it as "As women" and should take it back, or you agree that women should be punished for what you deem as a sexual offence as harshly as men as there is no difference?

Which is it?

Do you want complete equality based on gender, or complete equality depending on physical capabilities and individual actions?

Because if it is the former, you are propagating gender divide, and if it is the latter, you are advocating for harsher sentencing for women and be diametrically opposed to any sort of affirmative action which may promote women in any facet of society.

I think (and again, I cant speak for the poster as although we presumably share the same gender, we are completely different) the poster was referring to shrill harpies, not referring to women in general, but to women who shout sexism out of one side of their mouth, while playing the victim out of the other.

El_Duderino 09 · 16-12-2019 10:33AM

Dino_Baggio wrote: »

Slapping a woman's arse was never ok, I don't know where you get the idea that it was.

Ah here. It was par for the course until the last couple of decades. Whether it was ever OK or good, is another matter. But it's important to recognise the history. It was fairly normal back in the day, or so I'm lead to understand.

The real change is the fact that it's now OK to express displeasure and be taken seriously - it's even sometimes taken seriously as the criminal offence which it is. We know this from the subject of this thread.

Ironicname · 16-12-2019 10:39AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote:

Oh yes we agree. Consent and context are important. So the example we have used of football teammates slapping each others arses is an example where it's probably fine. And if a complete stranger slaps another person's arse when they have no prior relationship (hence consent couldn't possibly be agreed) and the context is a one off encounter, then arse slapping is not indicated - great chance that's sexual assault. And the law agreed it was in fact worth prosecuting as sexual battery.

Hang on. Are you saying that if something is "probably fine" it's ok to assume consent in that context?

I'm saying neither is correct, but common sense should prevail e.g if it's a random event which didn't escalate, we should probably not refer to it as sexual battery.

El_Duderino 09 wrote:

Since we both agree consent is key; do you think the woman gave consent to the guy to slap her arse?

No absolutely not. But do you think a person is giving implied consent because they play football?

Sarahdunners · 16-12-2019 10:43AM

dubstarr wrote: »

Going in to a warzone you expect snipers,landmines.That reporter standing with her back to the runners.Didnt expect that.Thats not part of the job description.

And how dare you belittle her feelings.
How would you feel if a man slapped your daughters arse,or felt her up.Would you be saying its harmless.No i bet you wouldnt.

As women we have had to take some crap from men,and now slowly but surely the tide is turning and the men dont like it.

I agree dubstarr, as women, we have had to take loads of crap from certain men and now times are changing.

Those sexist days are gone. And I am so, so happy.

The point of this lads is - if you touch a bum - you can be charged with a sexual crime. So keep your hands to yourself.

If anyone touches me - I will charge them.

As we said, women are not taking that **** anymore.

Runner that slapped reporters ass, is facing criminal charges

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