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John Delaney at the FAI Thread - (Mod Notes in OP)

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  • #4172
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,644 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Whatever about splitting it into two entities, there is no reason or way that the new fai should be running all the high level stuff that brings in the money whilst benefiting from the low level stuff being seperate and getting entirely funded by the state.
    Personally I think maybe it should be two parts of the same organisation. If we ever get to a stage where the higher part is turning a profit it would be shameful if that profit went anywhere but back into the game at the bottom.
    Do any other large sporting bodies operate this way? The other two large ones don’t and seem to be able to manage and grow okay.


  • #4173
    Irishmale0399
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Irishmale0399


    Only way a split can happen is if the new FAI cough up 50% of their income and it is then put into LOI and youth football. No way the tax payer can be expected to pay for player developement for the FAI to benifit from later on.


  • #4174
    Dots1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Dots1982


    Asking for 10 million a year is a probably optimistic but why not ask for it. 17 million goes to the greyhound industry a year. 100 million Euro estimated to leave the country every year and goes Into the UK economy with the lads doing weekenders in Anfield, Old trafford, celtic park etc. At least asking for some decent funding is a start.


  • #4175
    yabadabado
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,634 ✭✭✭✭yabadabado


    Dots1982 wrote: »
    Asking for 10 million a year is a probably optimistic but why not ask for it. 17 million goes to the greyhound industry a year. 100 million Euro estimated to leave the country every year and goes Into the UK economy with the lads doing weekenders in Anfield, Old trafford, celtic park etc. At least asking for some decent funding is a start.
    About 60m goes to horse racing industry as well but I think the betting tax of 2% covers those 2 sports getting government grants. Its something like 100m per annum .


    The government are never going to give the FAI or a new set up 10m .There would be absolute uproar from all the other sporting bodies in the country if that happened. I'm not talking about GAA and Rugby as they can mostly fund themselves but the 50+ sporting bodies that receive government funding.

    10m would be about half what is currently given out in total each year.

    The 100m that leaves the country each year with lads travelling to UK is someone the LoI need to try get a piece of.Its always going to happen as people will want to see the biggest leagues/teams but even a small percentage of that money getting spent on LoI would be great.That isnt just a LoI issue ,all countries around Europe have similar problems if they arent one of the elite leagues.
    TFS did a piece on it recently about Scandinavians going to German,English games .


  • #4176
    Mahony0509
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭Mahony0509


    https://twitter.com/FAIreland/status/1205248464923381760?s=20

    What a coinicidence with the Oireachtas Meeting next week.


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  • #4177
    Dots1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Dots1982


    yabadabado wrote: »
    About 60m goes to horse racing industry as well but I think the betting tax of 2% covers those 2 sports getting government grants. Its something like 100m per annum .


    The government are never going to give the FAI or a new set up 10m .There would be absolute uproar from all the other sporting bodies in the country if that happened. I'm not talking about GAA and Rugby as they can mostly fund themselves but the 50+ sporting bodies that receive government funding.

    10m would be about half what is currently given out in total each year.

    The 100m that leaves the country each year with lads travelling to UK is someone the LoI need to try get a piece of.Its always going to happen as people will want to see the biggest leagues/teams but even a small percentage of that money getting spent on LoI would be great.That isnt just a LoI issue ,all countries around Europe have similar problems if they arent one of the elite leagues.
    TFS did a piece on it recently about Scandinavians going to German,English games .

    Maybe/definitely successive Irish governments haven’t spent enough on sport for decades and it should be increased wholesale across the board. 3 million in a year is peanuts for a massive sport like soccer with a massive infrastructure deficit In this country. I spent 50 quid on a LOI Jersey today, 9 euro went on VAT. The Irish government, past and present, see sport as something to take tax coin out of, not actually invest In.

    And until the average Irish person who cares about sport realizes that and lets it affect how they vote then nothing will change.


  • #4178
    Father Hernandez
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,385 ✭✭✭✭Father Hernandez


    Mahony0509 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/FAIreland/status/1205248464923381760?s=20

    What a coinicidence with the Oireachtas Meeting next week.

    More a coincidence coinciding with something major happening across the pond affecting press media tonight.

    Shambles of an organisation


  • #4179
    yabadabado
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,634 ✭✭✭✭yabadabado


    Dots1982 wrote: »
    Maybe/definitely successive Irish governments haven’t spent enough on sport for decades and it should be increased wholesale across the board. 3 million in a year is peanuts for a massive sport like soccer with a massive infrastructure deficit In this country. I spent 50 quid on a LOI Jersey today, 9 euro went on VAT. The Irish government, past and present, see sport as something to take tax coin out of, not actually invest In.

    And until the average Irish person who cares about sport realizes that and lets it affect how they vote then nothing will change.

    I don't disagree with any of that.

    It would/will take a massive change here for a government to spend big on sport,politicians use sport as a photo op at best.


  • #4180
    joeysoap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,267 ✭✭✭joeysoap


    yabadabado wrote: »
    About 60m goes to horse racing industry as well but I think the betting tax of 2% covers those 2 sports getting government grants. Its something like 100m per annum .


    The 100m that leaves the country each year with lads travelling to UK is someone the LoI need to try get a piece of.Its always going to happen as people will want to see the biggest leagues/teams but even a small percentage of that money getting spent on LoI would be great.That isnt just a LoI issue
    TFS did a piece on it recently about Scandinavians going to German,English games .

    Safe to say the horsey and greyhound sets have represented their sports brilliantly and no youths or underage to clubs/leagues to worry about.

    No coincidence that of the last 16 clubs in the Champions League

    4 are English
    4 are Spanish
    3 are Italian
    3 are German
    2 are French


  • #4181
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,073 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Dots1982 wrote: »
    Maybe/definitely successive Irish governments haven’t spent enough on sport for decades and it should be increased wholesale across the board. 3 million in a year is peanuts for a massive sport like soccer with a massive infrastructure deficit In this country. I spent 50 quid on a LOI Jersey today, 9 euro went on VAT. The Irish government, past and present, see sport as something to take tax coin out of, not actually invest In.

    And until the average Irish person who cares about sport realizes that and lets it affect how they vote then nothing will change.

    Why is it that the GAA and IRFU have decent facilities throughout the country? It's not the government that held back football but several repeated mistakes on behalf of "football people".

    The idea that the government is going to set up and fully fund a parallel organisation (requiring at least a three fold increase in funding) to run the expensive part of football, while the there blazers keep control and the money from the profitable commercial side is cloud cuckoo land stuff.

    No responsible civil servant or minister wound endorse such an entitled proposal.


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  • #4182
    FixdePitchmark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,720 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    joeysoap wrote: »
    Safe to say the horsey and greyhound sets have represented their sports brilliantly and no youths or underage to clubs/leagues to worry about.

    No coincidence that of the last 16 clubs in the Champions League

    4 are English
    4 are Spanish
    3 are Italian
    3 are German
    2 are French

    gambling, horse industry and dogs an embarrassment of this country.

    How soccer hasn't got equal or double /triple what these gangsters get, sums up the idioicy of soccer.


  • #4183
    shanec1928
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,220 ✭✭✭shanec1928


    Any chance they can get rid of that clown fran gavin. While all the people are jumping ship.


  • #4184
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,846 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    FixdePitchmark wrote: »
    gambling, horse industry and dogs an embarrassment of this country.

    How soccer hasn't got equal or double /triple what these gangsters get, sums up the idioicy of soccer.
    Fortunes are made from animal breeding, funds not going to be made from soccer!


  • #4185
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,644 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Dots1982 wrote: »
    Maybe/definitely successive Irish governments haven’t spent enough on sport for decades and it should be increased wholesale across the board. 3 million in a year is peanuts for a massive sport like soccer with a massive infrastructure deficit In this country. I spent 50 quid on a LOI Jersey today, 9 euro went on VAT. The Irish government, past and present, see sport as something to take tax coin out of, not actually invest In.

    And until the average Irish person who cares about sport realizes that and lets it affect how they vote then nothing will change.

    Soccer absolutely ran itself into the ground, the different associations around the country kept electing these people, grass roots is reaping what it sowed. I can’t see the government going for this plan at all and not should they. It would have other better run sports querying why they should bother funding their own lower structures.


  • #4186
    Dots1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Dots1982


    FixdePitchmark wrote: »
    gambling, horse industry and dogs an embarrassment of this country.

    How soccer hasn't got equal or double /triple what these gangsters get, sums up the idioicy of soccer.

    I think soccer should get more but saying the horse industry is an embarrassment to the country is total rubbish.


  • #4187
    Dots1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Dots1982


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Why is it that the GAA and IRFU have decent facilities throughout the country? It's not the government that held back football but several repeated mistakes on behalf of "football people".

    The idea that the government is going to set up and fully fund a parallel organisation (requiring at least a three fold increase in funding) to run the expensive part of football, while the there blazers keep control and the money from the profitable commercial side is cloud cuckoo land stuff.

    No responsible civil servant or minister wound endorse such an entitled proposal.

    I’m not sure the plan is for the money that is earned from the international team to just stay with the blazers. Is that official?

    The present system in place basically has the senior men’s international team as the only breadwinner for Irish soccer and with it the FAI are expected to finance the LOI, grassroots and the FAI itself. What that led to was FAI/Delaney taking a lot of Cash out of the LOI.

    I dont think having the senior men’s team as the only income generator will improve Irish soccer long term.


  • #4188
    Dots1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Dots1982


    joeysoap wrote: »
    Safe to say the horsey and greyhound sets have represented their sports brilliantly and no youths or underage to clubs/leagues to worry about.

    No coincidence that of the last 16 clubs in the Champions League

    4 are English
    4 are Spanish
    3 are Italian
    3 are German
    2 are French

    Last 32 of the Europa has a good mix of countries. Clubs from Ukraine, Cyprus, Austria, Bulgaria all in there.


  • #4189
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,644 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Dots1982 wrote: »
    I’m not sure the plan is for the money that is earned from the international team to just stay with the blazers. Is that official?

    The present system in place basically has the senior men’s international team as the only breadwinner for Irish soccer and with it the FAI are expected to finance the LOI, grassroots and the FAI itself. What that led to was FAI/Delaney taking a lot of Cash out of the LOI.

    I dont think having the senior men’s team as the only income generator will improve Irish soccer long term.

    Is that not pretty much how the irfu work? Basically everything is funded top down. Soccer could fund itself with the stadium, grants and sponsorship etc except it has cut off two of those now and the other they can’t fill.
    Nothing is official it’s a pie in the sky plan by people desperately trying to keep the titanic afloat when even the orchestra have jumped at this stage.


  • #4190
    Dots1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Dots1982


    salmocab wrote: »
    Is that not pretty much how the irfu work? Basically everything is funded top down. Soccer could fund itself with the stadium, grants and sponsorship etc except it has cut off two of those now and the other they can’t fill.
    Nothing is official it’s a pie in the sky plan by people desperately trying to keep the titanic afloat when even the orchestra have jumped at this stage.

    Well the AIL has no TV deal, it’s grounds are basic, attendances are bad, It gets almost no media coverage. Should the IRFU be held to account?


  • #4191
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,644 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Dots1982 wrote: »
    Well the AIL has no TV deal, it’s grounds are basic, attendances are bad, It gets almost no media coverage. Should the IRFU be held to account?

    Held to account for what?


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  • #4192
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,207 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Dots1982 wrote: »
    Maybe/definitely successive Irish governments haven’t spent enough on sport for decades and it should be increased wholesale across the board. 3 million in a year is peanuts for a massive sport like soccer with a massive infrastructure deficit In this country. I spent 50 quid on a LOI Jersey today, 9 euro went on VAT. The Irish government, past and present, see sport as something to take tax coin out of, not actually invest In.

    And until the average Irish person who cares about sport realizes that and lets it affect how they vote then nothing will change.


    The "government" spends multiples of the headline figures that you are talking about on other sports and I'd garner on Soccer as well through not "directly" funding the governing bodies but it takes people with the right skills and determination to draw down this funding and prove that it goes where it is supposed to go.

    There are many grant schemes available to clubs and community groups across the country that fall outside of that 3 million that the FAI received last year as well as indirect support available for clubs but again, it takes a level of organisation to draw down those funds.
    One example:
    https://assets.gov.ie/19982/30dcd32099dc42f790b2522b85eb199a.pdf
    Thats a review of one of many schemes available to "grass roots" - in addition to whatever funding comes down from the governing body (which can be negligable by the time it gets to that level)

    When you have a CEO costing an organisation approximately 700+K per annum (Basic wage, Expenses and Pension contribution) out of an income of 50,000,000 - its not exactly the best use of funds.

    I amnt saying the state is putting enough resources into sport, but there are far more direct and indirect resources going into Soccer than that 3 million.


  • #4193
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    FAI staff propose splitting association in two

    So one costs the taxpayer whilst the other pulls in millions from tv rights?

    https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2019/1212/1098624-fai-staff-propose-splitting-association-in-two/

    "Grassroots and community football is a problem child, take him off us...oh and spend LOADS on him. We're just too busy dealing with the elites and the moolah that comes with them. And we promise we won't sign any more Sports Direct full refund sponsorship deals, because we now realise they are completely insane"


  • #4194
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,097 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Dots1982 wrote: »
    I think soccer should get more but saying the horse industry is an embarrassment to the country is total rubbish.

    If you think a "sport" based on whipping animals isn't an embarrassment then it says a lot about you.


  • #4195
    Dots1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Dots1982


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    If you think a "sport" based on whipping animals isn't an embarrassment then it says a lot about you.

    If I thought it was an embarrassment while eating meat every day I’d be a hypocrite.


  • #4196
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    If you think a "sport" based on whipping animals isn't an embarrassment then it says a lot about you.

    The very platform you're arguing on recognises horse racing as a perfectly legitimate sport.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=389

    Have you raised your objections with Boards.ie?


  • #4197
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,207 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Dots1982 wrote: »
    Well the AIL has no TV deal, it’s grounds are basic, attendances are bad, It gets almost no media coverage. Should the IRFU be held to account?

    The IRFU aren't 55+ million in debt and stumbling from one crisis to another. Participation in rugby is going up steadily, Income at the IRFU is up year on year for the past decade I believe, investment in regional grounds is considerable over the past decade with Connacht about to invest in a new stadium with government support.
    I am sure the IRFU would love to do more with the AIL but it is fulfilling it's main aims.


  • #4198
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,644 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    kippy wrote: »
    The IRFU aren't 55+ million in debt and stumbling from one crisis to another. Participation in rugby is going up steadily, Income at the IRFU is up year on year for the past decade I believe, investment in regional grounds is considerable over the past decade with Connacht about to invest in a new stadium with government support.
    I am sure the IRFU would love to do more with the AIL but it is fulfilling it's main aims.

    They could certainly do more for the AIL in particular but they are surely the top down model that the fai should be following. This splitting thing is fantasy I think either your running a sport in the country or your not. They could probably have an internal split that doesn’t involve the CEO travelling around to the opening of a new toilet seat alright but ultimately it’s up to whatever organisation ends up running it to run everything.


  • #4199
    TTTT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭TTTT


    Irishmale0399 wrote: »
    Only way a split can happen is if the new FAI cough up 50% of their income and it is then put into LOI and youth football. No way the tax payer can be expected to pay for player developement for the FAI to benifit from later on.

    And 50% of their debt?


  • #4200
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,644 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    TTTT wrote: »
    And 50% of their debt?

    No because not even the stupidest of sport administrators would think saddling all that debt into grassroots would be a good idea.


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  • #4201
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,097 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The very platform you're arguing on recognises horse racing as a perfectly legitimate sport.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=389

    Have you raised your objections with Boards.ie?

    I'm perfectly aware of that.

    But most people used to think hunting was acceptable too.


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