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John Delaney at the FAI Thread - (Mod Notes in OP)

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  • #4142
    Mahony0509
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭Mahony0509


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Which is how it was to 2006 and it was an utter failure.
    It needs to happen. No other way about it. Either merge with the northern league or break away.


  • #4143
    Dots1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Dots1982


    Mahony0509 wrote: »
    It needs to happen. No other way about it. Either merge with the northern league or break away.

    A lot of LOI grounds are from a 1970s era. They aren’t family friendly.

    People don’t go to shopping centers built and unrenovated since the 1970s so why would anyone expect them to go to football stadiums virtually unrenovated for 50 years.

    That’s going to take not millions but billions to fix.

    No one is going to throw billions at the LOI unfortunately.


  • #4144
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,097 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Dots1982 wrote: »
    A lot of LOI grounds are from a 1970s era. They aren’t family friendly.

    People don’t go to shopping centers built and unrenovated since the 1970s so why would anyone expect them to go to football stadiums virtually unrenovated for 50 years.

    That’s going to take not millions but billions to fix.

    No one is going to throw billions at the LOI unfortunately.

    A lot?

    Fire away and name them.....


  • #4145
    artanevilla
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    Dots1982 wrote: »
    A lot of LOI grounds are from a 1970s era. They aren’t family friendly.

    People don’t go to shopping centers built and unrenovated since the 1970s so why would anyone expect them to go to football stadiums virtually unrenovated for 50 years.

    That’s going to take not millions but billions to fix.

    No one is going to throw billions at the LOI unfortunately.

    Billions!?


  • #4146
    Dots1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Dots1982


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    A lot?

    Fire away and name them.....

    Pretty much all of them. Apart from shamrock rovers are not up to modern standard.

    Which ones do you think are attractive modern stadia?


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  • #4147
    FixdePitchmark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,725 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    Dots1982 wrote: »
    A lot of LOI grounds are from a 1970s era. They aren’t family friendly.

    People don’t go to shopping centers built and unrenovated since the 1970s so why would anyone expect them to go to football stadiums virtually unrenovated for 50 years.

    That’s going to take not millions but billions to fix.

    No one is going to throw billions at the LOI unfortunately.

    This is that truth , league of Ireland needed investment in stadiums. Probably last part of Irish society stuck in the 70s.

    The government gives outrageous money to the sick horse racing, dog killing and gambling industries.

    But , for small investment of 50 million over 10 years you could build about 8 correct scaled stadiums around parts of the country, becoming a focus for communities in larger rural areas . That is true community based rural development.

    The billions is off the mark, 5/6 million can build a fantastic facility.

    The real tragedy in all this , every soccer country has these except us.

    our primary problem is GAA lobbying is far superior.


  • #4148
    artanevilla
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    Sorry that billions comment is bizarre.

    Just for context a million seconds was 11 days ago, a billion seconds was 31.5 years ago.

    And just for further context, you could build 66 ten thousand seater New Daylmounts for that amount of money and still have enough left over for a house for the whole Bohs squad to live around the corner.


  • #4149
    Mahony0509
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭Mahony0509


    Dots1982 wrote: »
    Pretty much all of them. Apart from shamrock rovers are not up to modern standard.

    Which ones do you think are attractive modern stadia?
    In terms of the size of the league: Tallaght, Turner's Cross, RSC, Eamon Deasy, Cobh isn't too bad, Ryan McBride, Richmond, City Calling.....


  • #4150
    Mahony0509
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭Mahony0509


    It shows how little the commenter knows about the LOI with the 'billions' comment honestly. There's an incredible level of ignorance when it comes to the LOI.


  • #4151
    artanevilla
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    Mahony0509 wrote: »
    It shows how little the commenter knows about the LOI with the 'billions' comment honestly. There's an incredible level of ignorance when it comes to the LOI.

    With a billion Euro you could sustain the current Bohs squad for 2000 years.


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  • #4152
    Dots1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Dots1982


    Ok maybe billions is OTT.

    You need to upgrade at a minimum I would say

    Oriel
    Turner’s cross
    Richmond
    Showgrounds
    Brandywell
    Turners cross
    Finn Park
    Dalymouth

    At a cost of about 7-20 million each to turn them into modern stadia. Is that fair?


  • #4153
    DeanAustin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    Mahony0509 wrote: »
    It shows how little the commenter knows about the LOI with the 'billions' comment honestly. There's an incredible level of ignorance when it comes to the LOI.

    The assertion that Tallaght was the only modern LOI stadium and the rest are relics of the 70s was proof enough that he hasn't a breeze what he's talking about.


  • #4154
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,097 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Dots1982 wrote: »
    Pretty much all of them. Apart from shamrock rovers are not up to modern standard.

    Which ones do you think are attractive modern stadia?

    Pretty much all are from the 1970s?

    Tallaght. Opened 2009 and further development since.

    Tolka. Redeveloped substantially since the 1990s.

    Turners Cross. Redeveloped substantially since the 1990s.

    RSC. Opened in mid 1990s, new stand opened a few years ago.

    Brandywell. New stand opened in the 1990s. New stand opened last couple of years.

    Showgrounds. Undergone major redevelopment this decade.

    Terryland Park. Undergone major redevelopment in the 1990s and 2000s.

    Athlone. New ground opened 2007.

    Longford. Ground redeveloped 2001.


  • #4155
    Dots1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Dots1982


    DeanAustin wrote: »
    The assertion that Tallaght was the only modern LOI stadium and the rest are relics of the 70s was proof enough that he hasn't a breeze what he's talking about.

    If you think the average family are going to look at Richmond Park and turners cross and see a comfortable night out like a trip to the cinema or a shopping center then it is you who hasn’t a breeze.


  • #4156
    Mahony0509
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭Mahony0509


    Dots1982 wrote: »
    Ok maybe billions is OTT.

    You need to upgrade at a minimum I would say

    Oriel
    Turner’s cross
    Richmond
    Showgrounds
    Brandywell
    Turners cross
    Finn Park
    Dalymouth

    At a cost of about 7-20 million each to turn them into modern stadia. Is that fair?
    The Brandywell has literally just been redone, and is now called the Ryan McBride stadium. Oriel is a kip, Turner's Cross is grand, Richmond is grand, Finn Park is fine for Harps and Dalymount is going to be renovated soon.


    This is literally irrelevant from the topic. The LOI winners earn €100k. This is ridiculous.


  • #4157
    yabadabado
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,634 ✭✭✭✭yabadabado


    Dots1982 wrote: »
    Ok maybe billions is OTT.

    You need to upgrade at a minimum I would say

    Oriel
    Turner’s cross
    Richmond
    Showgrounds
    Brandywell
    Turners cross
    Finn Park
    Dalymouth

    At a cost of about 7-20 million each to turn them into modern stadia. Is that fair?

    where are you pulling the figures of 7m to 20 m from ?

    What do you get for 7m etc ?

    have you any examples of costing for redevolpments ?


    6k seater to Uefa Cat 3 standard is proposed to cost 20m for Dalymount.That is in the middle of DCC which is going to be a lot more costly that most other sites.


  • #4158
    Adamcp898
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,473 ✭✭✭Adamcp898


    The breakaway development of splitting the FAI into two - one part for "grass-roots" funded by the government and one "self-sustaining" part for senior & elite level teams - I'd find very concerning tbh. We haven't seen a detailed version of this "plan" yet but on first impression for the main reasons:

    1) Irish football is fractured enough already between different organisations and has been for it's entire existence. More fragmentation isn't the solution.

    2) This would remove the final sliver of public oversight (lol) of the FAI and would risk turning it into a whole new fiefdom for a new generation of board members to abuse. It would essentially serve to make money in order to pay for itself, and all the trappings of life for it's senior directors of course. Except this time it would have literally no accountability to the public given that as it stands already, politicians can't intervene on behalf of the public without risking UEFA and/or FIFA sanctions on the association itself, and if it were no longer receiving and form of public money then bodies such as Sports Ireland wouldn't even be able to request to see how that money was spent, much less actually influence that spending.

    The FAI has been treated like a cash cow for the "boys" for it's entire existence. It's long since time to raze the entire organisation and start again with a new body with no old faces - appoint receivers and shutter the place. It's drastic yes, but I'd be willing to take the hit of not having senior international representation for a few years. The LoI will manage on it's own, lord knows it already does.


  • #4159
    Dots1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Dots1982


    yabadabado wrote: »
    where are you pulling the figures of 7m to 20 m from ?

    What do you get for 7m etc ?

    have you any examples of costing for redevolpments ?


    6k seater to Uefa Cat 3 standard is proposed to cost 20m for Dalymount.That is in the middle of DCC which is going to be a lot more costly that most other sites.

    Proposed cost of Finn park redevelopment is 6 million and that isn’t in the DCC.


  • #4160
    yabadabado
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,634 ✭✭✭✭yabadabado


    TBH in this fantasy world with millions flowing into football in the country ,whats needed is regionalfacilities and more qualified coaches .

    The Icelandic model is showing results for them and is one that can be copied here.They arent a major football power nor have huge population/wealth but they have done a brilliant job improving football in the country.


  • #4161
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,745 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    I do not trust Shane Ross to establish some slush fund quango 'charged' with grass roots football..

    He was on NT this morning - best he could offer was "it'll be some third party" - uuuuh


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  • #4162
    yabadabado
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,634 ✭✭✭✭yabadabado


    Dots1982 wrote: »
    Proposed cost of Finn park redevelopment is 6 million and that isn’t in the DCC.

    iirc costs include 3 or 4 more pitches,offices and other facilties and there have been cost over runs due to the delays in the development,I think they have changed the plans 4 times now and its over a decade in the making.All in I think its around 10m

    Plenty of grounds dont need to be demolished or be built on a new site.A lot of work can be done without spending millions.


  • #4163
    Dots1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Dots1982


    yabadabado wrote: »
    TBH in this fantasy world with millions flowing into football in the country ,whats needed is regionalfacilities and more qualified coaches .

    The Icelandic model is showing results for them and is one that can be copied here.They arent a major football power nor have huge population/wealth but they have done a brilliant job improving football in the country.

    Iceland’s economy is tourism, agricultural and fishing.

    Ireland has some of the biggest companies in the world in tech and pharma based on the island.

    We can aim higher if we knew how to lobby the government to lobby these companies to invest even a few million into stadia and getting things like naming rights and extensive corporate hospitality.

    Maybe it’s fantasy but without a different style of thinking Irish football will always stay what it is: Smalltimers


  • #4164
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    Weepsie wrote: »
    This is Ireland, you need to cost things at 5million and then hope it gets in under 15 million.

    I'm also against the split idea. The new FAI should in terms of importance look after grassroots first, coaching, academys etc and the League. money made from the international team should be put directly into grassroots and the league. Improved Grassroots improves the league. Improved league might see more TV games and (money should go to clubs from this too), and better attendance.Players developed here might then be better quality and go on to other European leagues and do well, while also having a reasonably good and improving league here.

    Need to really look at Iceland, Belgium, Finland, Norway and a few others. They had calamitous organisation too at one point or other in the last 20 years and got their acts together to at least have some sort of structures in place to improve the standard all round, some more succesfully than others.

    Country is sports mad, and there are also a lot of casual event junkies around. Why not try something like they do in Rugby league where they have back to back games every so often in a bigger stadium.

    Bohs v Rovers, Dundalk v Pats sort of thing in the Aviva. Guarantee the clubs still get their cut of course, but also try and pack it out with families (bundle it with Ireland ticket too).

    No way would the Gardai allow that


  • #4165
    CrabRevolution
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    I think splitting the FAI just creates 2 FAIs, with 2 CEOs, 2 boards of cronies etc. and from the sounds of it, more than 3 times the cost to the government. There was a hell of a lot of support for Delaney amongst the grassroots, so it's likely that another Delaney figure would end up in charge of that.

    It also allows the 'Elite' FAI off the hook in terms of funding the rest of the sport. It sounds a pretty sweet deal for them: "OK, you get the glamorous and profitable side of the game, leave the government to pick up the tab for the other half".

    Then on top of that, it'd be pretty galling for other sports in Ireland to see the funding for the FAI to be more than trebled as a direct result of their own incompetence and failure. You can guarantee the IRFU, GAA and all other sporting bodies would be demanding a similar increase in funding.


  • #4166
    artanevilla
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    Weepsie wrote: »
    This is Ireland, you need to cost things at 5million and then hope it gets in under 15 million.

    I'm also against the split idea. The new FAI should in terms of importance look after grassroots first, coaching, academys etc and the League. money made from the international team should be put directly into grassroots and the league. Improved Grassroots improves the league. Improved league might see more TV games and (money should go to clubs from this too), and better attendance.Players developed here might then be better quality and go on to other European leagues and do well, while also having a reasonably good and improving league here.

    Need to really look at Iceland, Belgium, Finland, Norway and a few others. They had calamitous organisation too at one point or other in the last 20 years and got their acts together to at least have some sort of structures in place to improve the standard all round, some more succesfully than others.

    Country is sports mad, and there are also a lot of casual event junkies around. Why not try something like they do in Rugby league where they have back to back games every so often in a bigger stadium.

    Bohs v Rovers, Dundalk v Pats sort of thing in the Aviva. Guarantee the clubs still get their cut of course, but also try and pack it out with families (bundle it with Ireland ticket too).

    From my own point of view as a Bohs, taking a derby away from Dalymount or Tallaght would be a disaster.


  • #4167
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,207 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Dots1982 wrote: »
    Delaney is at worst incompetent & overpaid. This idea from some posters that the FAI need to be investigated for Financial misconduct...any shred of evidence for this?
    Dots1982 wrote: »
    I think they are going to be disappointed. Delaney is guilty of cronyism as as well I should mention but that’s not illegal. Maximum terms will address this to some degree. In terms of scandal the English FA have had a much rougher couple of years.

    There’s a bit of a mob mentality to opposition to Delaney. I wish it was more thought out in terms of if Delaney is forced out who exactly do we want to take over. What is the plan. All seems half arsed from mostly dummies to me.

    I’ve blogged and posted on boards is what Irish football needs is a supporters trust to invest directly in grassroots football here and weaken the FAI but that would take a financial commitment, planning and strategy. Most seem to think that if they post #delaneyout on twitter enough times the Irish football will magically start winning games again and qualifying for world cups .
    Dots1982 wrote: »
    It’s curious alright and I’d like to know the reasoning. Do I think it’s outright dodgy dealing? No I don’t think it is to be honest.
    Dots1982 wrote: »
    A stupid post that I wouldn’t normally even reply to but here goes-

    I’ll defend someone against financial misconduct allegations where there is no existence of evidence to show financial misconduct.

    All we have is he gave a personal loan to the fai in the amount of 100k. I’m sorry I don’t think that is a sackable offence.

    I’ve said he might be overpaid and incompetent but if he leaves I’d like to hear someone/anyone at all come up with a plan of what happens next to improve Irish football. I’ve literally posted about what should happen interms of planning and strategy in Irish football. I don’t see anyone else posting anything productive here.

    I’m not pro Delaney, but I’m not in favor of people calling for the CAB to investigate him without even the slightest evidence of money taken out of the accounts that is unaccounted for. That’s just a witchhunt.
    Dots1982 wrote: »
    To investigate what exactly? There’s no money missing. The accounts are completed by independent auditors. They would need to be in b the scam. The chances of that are even more remote.

    You’ll never bring down the FAI this way. I’ve posted how I see the best way to reduce their stranglehold over Irish football.
    Dots1982 wrote: »
    Fair points, I would say I don’t find them applying for an injunction as particularly suspicious. It’s about Delaney keeping his name out of the papers and avoiding negative publicity. There’s not yet a lot in this story, no smoking gun, no evidence of financial misconduct but it’s still enough to get a lot of traction and intestify pressure on Delaney
    For the record - there's not much point engaging with certain posters.

    Some more interesting commentary from a few more posters around post 170 onwards in this thread......


  • #4168
    givyjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    kippy wrote: »
    For the record - there's not much point engaging with certain posters.

    Some more interesting commentary from a few more posters around post 170 onwards in this thread......

    That is some tasty looking quoting. :pac::pac::pac:


  • #4169
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,097 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    yabadabado wrote: »
    where are you pulling the figures of 7m to 20 m from ?

    What do you get for 7m etc ?

    have you any examples of costing for redevolpments ?


    6k seater to Uefa Cat 3 standard is proposed to cost 20m for Dalymount.That is in the middle of DCC which is going to be a lot more costly that most other sites.

    Dalyer redevelopment is up to €35M now.


  • #4170
    fullstop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    Dots1982 wrote: »
    Proposed cost of Finn park redevelopment is 6 million and that isn’t in the DCC.

    There’s no proposed redevelopment of FP, it’s a brand new stadium in a different location.


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  • #4171
    johnnyryan89
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,223 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    yabadabado wrote: »
    I can see the benefits of splitting the FAI up but they need to come up with a better plan than hoping the government will firstly reinstate the grant's and then triple what they were paying.

    A grassroots FA funded by government and FAI money could work but no chance it will be funded 100% government funding to the tune of 10m .

    It's a good proposal but as you said it will need to be funded by the government and FAI, no way would the government spend ten million a year and let the FAI do their own thing regarding the international teams.

    Also think this is a good way for the government to force changes overall in the FAI. They haven't got a pot to piss in and badly need assistance in getting funds. Offer to part fund underage football but only if there's overall reforms within the FAI.


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