Anti-vaxxers

TheRepentent · 06-12-2019 4:52pm

Meh I'm sticking with vaxtards.

Igotadose · 10-12-2019 10:54am

Great. Now they've come up with "Safe-vaxx" and there's a candidate running for POTUS for the Democratic Party who is in favor of it, Marianne Williamson. https://slate.com/technology/2019/12/marianne-williamson-anti-vax-safe-vax.html

So, the Democrats will have found a way to get me to vote for Trump: send this cretin out as their nominee.

Dohnjoe · 10-12-2019 11:52am

Igotadose wrote: »

Great. Now they've come up with "Safe-vaxx" and there's a candidate running for POTUS for the Democratic Party who is in favor of it, Marianne Williamson. https://slate.com/technology/2019/12/marianne-williamson-anti-vax-safe-vax.html

So, the Democrats will have found a way to get me to vote for Trump: send this cretin out as their nominee.

"I'm just concerned about vaccine safety"

"I'm just asking questions about the Holocaust"

New packaging for the same old denialism

ohnonotgmail · 10-12-2019 11:53am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

"I'm just concerned about vaccine safety"

"I'm just asking questions about the Holocaust"

New packaging for the same old denialism

AKA JAQing

ancapailldorcha · 10-12-2019 11:53am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

"I'm just concerned about vaccine safety"

"I'm just asking questions about the Holocaust"

New packaging for the same old denialism

It's as tedious as it is transparent.

ohnonotgmail · 10-12-2019 1:28pm

Malaysia has just reported its first case of Polio in 27 years. the country was declared polio free in 2000. The village the kid came from has a vaccination rate below 90%. **** the antivaxxers.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/12/malaysia-reports-polio-case-27-years-191208141847707.html

hcf500 · 10-12-2019 6:29pm

Not my words but a statement I mostly agree with

"No wonder vaccine products, which have not been properly safety tested, are being increasingly rejected. Shunned not because of misinformation, but because of the government’s self-inflicted loss of faith, coupled with its deep collusion with pharmaceutical companies where profits over people is their modus operandi."

ohnonotgmail · 10-12-2019 6:34pm

hcf500 wrote: »

Not my words but a statement I mostly agree with

"No wonder vaccine products, which have not been properly safety tested, are being increasingly rejected. Shunned not because of misinformation, but because of the government’s self-inflicted loss of faith, coupled with its deep collusion with pharmaceutical companies where profits over people is their modus operandi."

They are being rejected because anti-vaxxers are quite happy to lie about them.

Igotadose · 10-12-2019 6:39pm

hcf500 wrote: »

Not my words but a statement I mostly agree with

"No wonder vaccine products, which have not been properly safety tested, are being increasingly rejected. Shunned not because of misinformation, but because of the government’s self-inflicted loss of faith, coupled with its deep collusion with pharmaceutical companies where profits over people is their modus operandi."

Then, you need as much help as whoever made this statement. It's a pile of lies and misinformation on *all* topics.

Shunned because OF misinformation
They've been ridiculously safety tested.

Deep collusion with pharmecutical companies - uhuh.

And on, and on. What a pile of bollox. If you spread it, you obviously agree with it.

Dohnjoe · 10-12-2019 7:05pm

hcf500 wrote: »

Not my words but a statement I mostly agree with

"No wonder vaccine products, which have not been properly safety tested, are being increasingly rejected. Shunned not because of misinformation, but because of the government’s self-inflicted loss of faith, coupled with its deep collusion with pharmaceutical companies where profits over people is their modus operandi."

Translation: Vaccines aren't safe because government and "big pharma" are evil and can't be trusted

Reality: Preventable infectious diseases are making a comeback, people are actually dying directly as a result of falsehoods like the above

Ipso · 10-12-2019 7:06pm

Seth Brundle · 10-12-2019 9:21pm

hcf500 wrote: »

Not my words but a statement I mostly agree with

"No wonder vaccine products, which have not been properly safety tested, are being increasingly rejected. Shunned not because of misinformation, but because of the government’s self-inflicted loss of faith, coupled with its deep collusion with pharmaceutical companies where profits over people is their modus operandi."

If that crap isn't your words, who wrote it? (Or are they actually your words?)
Be brave about your beliefs even if they are really really stupid! And wrong!

hcf500 · 10-12-2019 10:58pm

I understand that drug companies bottom line is to make profit and please the shareholders. I don't hold that against them. However the state should not be using taxpayers money to help them and their shareholders profit, and at the same time neglect some of the most vulnerable in the country, children who have had their lives ruined because of a vaccine.

When they were rolling out that vaccine, there is plenty evidence that they blatantly lied and claimed that the vaccine was fully tested when it was not. Are people expected to trust these health authorities that were caught out lying and publishing false information. The public must have lost a lot of faith in the health services and that is completely the fault of the state. There is a huge amount of vaccine dis information also but it is not the sole cause for vaccine hesitancy.

CosmicFool · 10-12-2019 11:00pm

hcf500 wrote: »

I understand that drug companies bottom line is to make profit and please the shareholders. I don't hold that against them. However the state should not be using taxpayers money to help them and their shareholders profit, and at the same time neglect some of the most vulnerable in the country, children who have had their lives ruined because of a vaccine.

When they were rolling out that vaccine, there is plenty evidence that they blatantly lied and claimed that the vaccine was fully tested when it was not. Are people expected to trust these health authorities that were caught out lying and publishing false information. The public must have lost a lot of faith in the health services and that is completely the fault of the state. There is a huge amount of vaccine dis information also but it is not the sole cause for vaccine hesitancy.

Any links to that

Seth Brundle · 10-12-2019 11:04pm

hcf500 wrote: »

I understand that drug companies bottom line is to make profit and please the shareholders. I don't hold that against them. However the state should not be using taxpayers money to help them and their shareholders profit, and at the same time neglect some of the most vulnerable in the country, children who have had their lives ruined because of a vaccine.

When they were rolling out that vaccine, there is plenty evidence that they blatantly lied and claimed that the vaccine was fully tested when it was not. Are people expected to trust these health authorities that were caught out lying and publishing false information. The public must have lost a lot of faith in the health services and that is completely the fault of the state. There is a huge amount of vaccine dis information also but it is not the sole cause for vaccine hesitancy.

...and the earth is flat. FACT!
:rolleyes:

hcf500 · 10-12-2019 11:18pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

...and the earth is flat. FACT!
:rolleyes:

You might want to double check that fact!

hcf500 · 10-12-2019 11:19pm

CosmicFool wrote: »

Any links to that

http://claredaly.ie/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/IMB-letter-HSE-Sept-2009-Pandemrix.pdf

hcf500 · 10-12-2019 11:54pm

Igotadose wrote: »

Then, you need as much help as whoever made this statement. It's a pile of lies and misinformation on *all* topics.

Shunned because OF misinformation
They've been ridiculously safety tested.

Deep collusion with pharmecutical companies - uhuh.

And on, and on. What a pile of bollox. If you spread it, you obviously agree with it.

http://claredaly.ie/latest-pandemrix-revelations-we-need-answers-from-government-and-justice-for-narcolepsy-sufferers/#more-6688

That link explains exactly what happened with that vaccine. Was it fully tested? No! Yet they claimed it was fully tested! Even when the "pandemic" was officially declared over, the hse still advised gp's to use the vaccine. Seems there is misinformation coming from both sides.

Dohnjoe · 11-12-2019 12:13pm

hcf500 wrote: »

Seems there is misinformation coming from both sides.

You are clearly demonstrating there is one source of disinformation

You are exaggerating one case and leaving out crucial context - that disinformation comes directly from yourself
You are using that case to cast doubt vaccines and medical science in general - more disinformation
You use all of this to spread your personal "evil big pharma" conspiracy narrative - again, more blatant disinformation

ancapailldorcha · 11-12-2019 12:17pm

hcf500 wrote: »

http://claredaly.ie/latest-pandemrix-revelations-we-need-answers-from-government-and-justice-for-narcolepsy-sufferers/#more-6688

That link explains exactly what happened with that vaccine. Was it fully tested? No! Yet they claimed it was fully tested! Even when the "pandemic" was officially declared over, the hse still advised gp's to use the vaccine. Seems there is misinformation coming from both sides.

The only sources I can see in this article are Daly's own blog. There is no equivalence here. The anti-vaxx side are the ones pumping out lies. If anti-vaxxers had any interest in justice or accountability they'd be lobbying their TD instead of spreading their toxic ideology online.

Harry Palmr · 11-12-2019 12:40pm

How many people need to die to show anti vaxxers that they are wrong? Maybe their own children dying is a price worth paying to keep the herd safe.

waxmoth · 11-12-2019 4:22pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Malaysia has just reported its first case of Polio in 27 years. the country was declared polio free in 2000. The village the kid came from has a vaccination rate below 90%. **** the antivaxxers.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/12/malaysia-reports-polio-case-27-years-191208141847707.html

It was not mentioned in the article that this case and the Philippines cases were caused by vaccine derived polioviruses – part of a rapid increase in outbreaks associated with live virus vaccine strains.

Compared with January 2017–June 2018 (3), the number of reported cVDPV outbreaks more than tripled, from nine to 29; 25 (86%) of the outbreaks were caused by cVDPV2. The increase in the number of outbreaks in 2019 resulted from VDPV2 both inside and outside of mOPV2 response areas.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6855511/

ohnonotgmail · 11-12-2019 4:34pm

waxmoth wrote: »

It was not mentioned in the article that this case and the Philippines cases were caused by vaccine derived polioviruses – part of a rapid increase in outbreaks associated with live virus vaccine strains.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6855511/

If the vaccination rate had been sufficient then they would not have caught polio. the lack of vaccinations is the problem.

TheIrishGrover · 11-12-2019 5:28pm

I mean, only for the fact that they are a danger to society, I'd say "F*ck 'em. Darwinism in action. Morons be morons." but they shouldn't be allowed in public.

hcf500 · 11-12-2019 6:59pm

It easy to say the information I am sharing is lies but please point out where these lies are. I shared a link to Clare Daly. Point out the lies there please. You might be surprised but you will not find any! Anyone?

hcf500 · 11-12-2019 7:04pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

You are clearly demonstrating there is one source of disinformation
You are exaggerating one case and leaving out crucial context - that disinformation comes directly from yourself

You are using that case to cast doubt vaccines and medical science in general - more disinformation

You use all of this to spread your personal "evil big pharma" conspiracy narrative - again, more blatant disinformation

1 Where did I exaggerate?
2 Where did I do this?
3 I don't think "big pharma" is evil! Where did you get that idea?

ancapailldorcha · 11-12-2019 7:08pm

hcf500 wrote: »

It easy to say the information I am sharing is lies but please point out where these lies are. I shared a link to Clare Daly. Point out the lies there please. You might be surprised but you will not find any! Anyone?

You just pasted a link and we're supposed to take Daly's opinion as fact. No thanks.

Dohnjoe · 11-12-2019 7:09pm

hcf500 wrote: »

It easy to say the information I am sharing is lies but please point out where these lies are.

You are using your perceptions of isolated cases to cast doubt on the effectiveness of something in general

If you at the very least prefaced your posts with "I know that vaccines are 99.99% safe, however in X case.. " - but you don't

Dohnjoe · 11-12-2019 7:15pm

hcf500 wrote: »

1 Where did I exaggerate?
2 Where did I do this?
3 I don't think "big pharma" is evil! Where did you get that idea?

In your comment here for example (my comments in bold) There is so much wrong with that statement.

"Not my words but a statement I mostly agree with

"No wonder vaccine products, which have not been properly safety tested, out-of-context and spurious generalisation are being increasingly rejected. vaccines are being rejected due anti-vax disinfo and fearmongering Shunned not because of misinformation, false but because of the government’s self-inflicted loss of faith, coupled with its deep collusion with pharmaceutical companies where profits over people is their modus operandi. nonsense allusion to "Big Pharma" conspiracy theory

hcf500 · 11-12-2019 7:37pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

You just pasted a link and we're supposed to take Daly's opinion as fact. No thanks.

You obviously did not make any attempt to read it. If you did you would see that it is not an opinion piece. The letter and the vaccine leaflet that she shared are telling and they are proof of the lies that I mentioned. She goes through the timeline of events surrounding the vaccine. These events happened and have nothing to do with her opinion!

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