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Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VI

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    #8702
    Christy42
    Registered Users Posts: 7,883 ✭✭✭Christy42


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Can you not have a debate without throwing back some Trump rubbish?

    You just ignored anything I said.

    I mean this is the Trump thread so discussions on the media should based around how they relate to him?

    If you are attacking the media in a discussion on Trump then Trump's own attacks on the media become the elephant in the room.


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    #8703
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users Posts: 13,140 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Christy42 wrote: »
    I mean this is the Trump thread so discussions on the media should based around how they relate to him?

    If you are attacking the media in a discussion on Trump then Trump's own attacks on the media become the elephant in the room.

    You're attempting to align me with Donald Trump rather than debating the failings of the US media. It's something the posters do on here to silence any genuine debate.

    For the record, I had actually forgotten he even said that about the media until I was reminded today. My views on the media in America pre date Trump.

    Furthermore, if America was served by a better media, not driven by advertising revenue, they might elect non nut jobs like Trump or Hilary Clinton.


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    #8704
    Christy42
    Registered Users Posts: 7,883 ✭✭✭Christy42


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    You're attempting to align me with Donald Trump rather than debating the failings of the US media. It's something the posters do on here to silence any genuine debate.

    For the record, I had actually forgotten he even said that about the media until I was reminded today. My views on the media in America pre date Trump.

    Furthermore, if America was served by a better media, not driven by advertising revenue, they might elect non nut jobs like Trump or Hilary Clinton.

    No. You are free to disalign yourself from Trump if you so please. I was directly asking if you aligned with Trump.

    Don't assume my motives. I was attempting to bring it back onto Trump. Too often we have Trump says/does something stupid with regards to X. Then people attempt to bring all discussion in the thread labelled as Donald Trump towards X with no reference to Trump. It adds nothing to the discussion at hand.

    Feel free to join/start a thread about the US media if you wish but I would argue the constant derailing of this thread is more damaging to debate as the topic keeps getting changed stuffing a serious discussion.


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    #8705
    abff
    Registered Users Posts: 5,730 ✭✭✭abff


    Christy42 wrote: »
    I would argue the constant derailing of this thread is more damaging to debate as the topic keeps getting changed stuffing a serious discussion.

    Very similar to the way in which Trump himself operates - deflect, distract, etc.


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    #8706
    Penn
    Registered Users Posts: 33,357 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Pelosi has announced they're officially moving forward with articles of impeachment. No timeline and not known if they'll continue the House committee hearings etc, but they feel they have enough evidence to warrant a full official impeachment.


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    #8707
    StringerBell
    Registered Users Posts: 14,069 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    So I'm a Neo Nazi now for pointing out that many Irish people find Trump and his craziness funny?

    And no, journalism is about holding institutions of power to account, it is not their duty to improve society.

    Who called you a Neo Nazi? I'd suspect you have misread.

    I didn't say it was their duty, I said they would say they are working for a common cause, as outlined in more detail in the post you quoted...have another read I guess?

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



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    #8708
    26000 Elephants
    Registered Users Posts: 3,152 ✭✭✭26000 Elephants


    Penn wrote: »
    Pelosi has announced they're officially moving forward with articles of impeachment. No timeline and not known if they'll continue the House committee hearings etc, but they feel they have enough evidence to warrant a full official impeachment.

    They are playing the cards they have for now, and that is largely Ukraine. The real killer for Trump will be what's in his financial records and he is slowly running out of road trying to keep them out of the firing line. But the timeline is uncertain, so it's best not to appear to be holding out for something and look bad if it does not materialise in time, rather go with what you have. I suspect they will "move" forward with impeachment... very slowly, giving the SCOTUS all the time it needs to hand over the financials.


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    #8709
    everlast75
    Registered Users Posts: 19,143 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    I think Joe Biden will have to edit his latest campaign advert to update it.


    https://twitter.com/joshjonsmith/status/1202580810462892033?s=20


    Seriously - Trump is being played and embarrassed by every foreign leader. At what point does the proverbial penny drop with his base that he is a laughing stock?


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    #8710
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 13,090 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Journalists and politicians are not working towards a common goal.

    Journalists are there to hold institutions of power to account, nothing else.
    A big difference between the US and Ireland, is the US constitution has been amended with the bill of rights. The Bill of Rights mandates freedom of the press. Period. No jobs are pointed out.

    Ireland does not have freedom of the press - heck, they only recently got rid of blasphemy laws here ffs. The Press in the US can do what it wants. Some press outlets work very closely with US politications (mainstream sources like Fox news.) Some are extreme bomb throwers, and there's a range in between.

    Ireland needs a bill of rights. Freedom of the press: good. Freedom of (and from) religion: Good. Two things that would fundamentally change Ireland.


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    #8711
    kowloon
    Registered Users Posts: 13,369 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    pixelburp wrote: »
    Trump has been coming for longer than Obama, let's not try to pin everything on him. Trump is only a symptom of a larger disease in the American political system, one that has been getting more pronounced as its politics became more partisan, and outwardly vulgar. I said it before, but the erosion of the Fairness Doctrine was a huge skewing towards the polemic that we see today.

    As long as I can remember we've always seen US politics as vulgar and full of personal attacks. It's as important to discredit your opponent as to make your own promises. Some of it has transferred over here, even moreso to the UK, but the US still leads by a country mile.


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    #8712
    isohon
    Registered Users Posts: 109 ✭✭isohon


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    You're attempting to align me with Donald Trump rather than debating the failings of the US media. It's something the posters do on here to silence any genuine debate.

    For the record, I had actually forgotten he even said that about the media until I was reminded today. My views on the media in America pre date Trump.

    Furthermore, if America was served by a better media, not driven by advertising revenue, they might elect non nut jobs like Trump or Hilary Clinton.

    I'd be more willing to accept that if you didn't consistently and persistently bemoan not only American media, but Irish media for reporting on Trump.

    Also, there can be no reasonable equivocation between Trump and (the person who he defeated a couple of years ago) Clinton.


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    #8713
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users Posts: 13,140 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Igotadose wrote: »
    A big difference between the US and Ireland, is the US constitution has been amended with the bill of rights. The Bill of Rights mandates freedom of the press. Period. No jobs are pointed out.

    Ireland does not have freedom of the press - heck, they only recently got rid of blasphemy laws here ffs. The Press in the US can do what it wants. Some press outlets work very closely with US politications (mainstream sources like Fox news.) Some are extreme bomb throwers, and there's a range in between.

    Ireland needs a bill of rights. Freedom of the press: good. Freedom of (and from) religion: Good. Two things that would fundamentally change Ireland.

    My point as already made that Americans claim greatness in their freedom of the press and yet are served by dreadful media. And many of the media outlets are owned and ran by large corporations, diluting any notion of a genuine free press.

    But this is off topic, so I'll leave it at that.


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    #8714
    everlast75
    Registered Users Posts: 19,143 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Amazed at the outrage by Melania, Donny Jnr and the right wing media that one of the Dem witnesses made a wordplay regarding Baron, Trump's son. So disrespectful!

    By the way, this is the same son that, whilst he was a baby, Melania was at home with him while Trump was off having unprotected sex with a porn star.


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    #8715
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,171 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    My point as already made that Americans claim greatness in their freedom of the press and yet are served by dreadful media. And many of the media outlets are owned and ran by large corporations, diluting any notion of a genuine free press.

    But this is off topic, so I'll leave it at that.

    To be fair, Americans claim greatness about an awful lot of things , some with good reason , but a lot without.

    It's both a strength & weakness of their society. On the one hand their innate self belief can deliver great successes but equally their inability to be objectively critical about their country holds them back in lots of areas.

    I think it's part of why they have such partizanship.

    A politician can't stand up and talk about wanting to fix the issues with a broken society as they would be pilloried for lacking "patriotism" so instead they attack the opposition - Classically playing the man and not the ball.


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    #8716
    Dick_Swiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 83 ✭✭Dick_Swiveller


    everlast75 wrote: »
    Amazed at the outrage by Melania, Donny Jnr and the right wing media that one of the Dem witnesses made a wordplay regarding Baron, Trump's son. So disrespectful!

    By the way, this is the same son that, whilst he was a baby, Melania was at home with him while Trump was off having unprotected sex with a porn star.

    Yeah, going after his son. How classy


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    #8717
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,088 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Dick_Swiveller wrote: »
    Yeah, going after his son. How classy

    Wasn't really much of an attack on Barron, it merely mentioned that he existed. Yes, was best left unsaid, but nothing was said against him other than he has a name which is the same as British aristocratic titles.

    If they had said that he was an aristocratic fart/trump, then that would have been an attack on the kid.


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    #8718
    Dick_Swiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 83 ✭✭Dick_Swiveller


    robinph wrote: »
    Wasn't really much of an attack on Barron, it merely mentioned that he existed. Yes, was best left unsaid, but nothing was said against him other than he has a name which is the same as British aristocratic titles.

    If they had said that he was an aristocratic fart/trump, then that would have been an attack on the kid.

    How about we live peoples' kids out of politics. Is that too much to ask?


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    #8719
    alchemist33
    Registered Users Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    Here's the quote:

    Stanford Law School professor Pamela Karlan, giving evidence during the inquiry, said: "The Constitution says there can be no titles of nobility. So while the president can name his son Baron, he can't make him a baron."




    Someone got outraged over this?


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    #8720
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,244 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    alchemist33 wrote: »
    Here's the quote:

    Stanford Law School professor Pamela Karlan, giving evidence during the inquiry, said: "The Constitution says there can be no titles of nobility. So while the president can name his son Baron, he can't make him a baron."




    Someone got outraged over this?

    I thought it was rather brilliant.

    Trump mocked Greta Thunberg recently.
    Did Melania say anything about that, what about the kids locked in actual cages?


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    #8721
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,454 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Dick_Swiveller wrote: »
    How about we live peoples' kids out of politics. Is that too much to ask?

    Trump politicised kids for the last 3 years, is this a case of do as I say don't do as I do?


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    #8722
    everlast75
    Registered Users Posts: 19,143 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Dick_Swiveller wrote: »
    How about we live peoples' kids out of politics. Is that too much to ask?

    Hunter Biden?


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    #8723
    jjpep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 658 ✭✭✭jjpep


    Dick_Swiveller wrote: »
    How about we live peoples' kids out of politics. Is that too much to ask?

    How about leaving kids out of cages?


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    #8724
    Stallingrad
    Registered Users Posts: 4,143 ✭✭✭Stallingrad


    Dick_Swiveller wrote: »
    Yeah, going after his son. How classy

    You might want to sit this one out Dick.


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    #8725
    26000 Elephants
    Registered Users Posts: 3,152 ✭✭✭26000 Elephants


    Trump has filed his first petition for a judicial review of the mazers/DB case with the supreme court, which was expected. Next session is Friday 13th December, and its likely they will consider all 3 similar cases he has been trawling through the various stages of the judicial process at the same time.

    He will most likely get his cert, but the courts have already indicated that they are going to push this through quickly. Hard to see what they can do: the law is pretty unequivocal about this.

    The supreme court could also serve the constitution they swore to uphold and simply send it back.

    Like I said before, dont get distracted by the side shows - this is where the drama is, and where it will all fall apart for the Trump regime. His dealings with Sater, DB and Russian money will be his end.


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    #8726
    Dick_Swiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 83 ✭✭Dick_Swiveller


    jjpep wrote: »
    How about leaving kids out of cages?

    Were you as vocal about your objection to children being put in cages during the Obama administration?


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    #8727
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,337 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Dick_Swiveller wrote: »
    Were you as vocal about your objection to children being put in cages during the Obama administration?
    Is that your way of being vocal about Trump doing it with babies and toddlers?


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    #8728
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,183 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    She did apologise, on the record, afterwards for mentioning Barron.
    So, no one willing to accept the apology?


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    #8729
    Maewyn Succat
    Registered Users Posts: 506 ✭✭✭Maewyn Succat


    Water John wrote: »
    She did apologise, on the record, afterwards for mentioning Barron.
    So, no one willing to accept the apology?

    Off topic but why do you always press "post" instead of "reply"? It's impossible to follow your post or tell who you are replying to most of the time.


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    #8730
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    everlast75 wrote: »
    Amazed at the outrage by Melania, Donny Jnr and the right wing media that one of the Dem witnesses made a wordplay regarding Baron, Trump's son. So disrespectful!

    By the way, this is the same son that, whilst he was a baby, Melania was at home with him while Trump was off having unprotected sex with a porn star.

    Whilst I fully agree that there is a huge level of hypocracy in almost every utterance made by Melania, Don Jr and the rest of the pack, I think it was totally wrong to take the easy and low-hanging option of incorporating Barron into a wordplay that was designed to politically undermine the President...

    There are many hundreds of matters that can be used to show that Trump is a scoundrel and a manipulating, opportunist narcissist whose only interest is self- aggrandisement on a massive personal and financial level. However, NONE of that justifies bringing an early teenager into the debate and using his name as a segway into a take-down of Trump!

    So, while I hate to agree with either Melania and specially Junior, I subscribe to the sentiment that, to involve Barron is entirely unjustified. It is certainly no fault of the son, that his father went around the world with a porn-star when he was only months old.


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    #8731
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,650 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    alchemist33 wrote: »
    Here's the quote:

    Stanford Law School professor Pamela Karlan, giving evidence during the inquiry, said: "The Constitution says there can be no titles of nobility. So while the president can name his son Baron, he can't make him a baron."




    Someone got outraged over this?

    Wait so that was the quote that caused the outrage ? Ah here it's clear as day reading that quote only once what she meant.


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