General Purpose trailer

DJ98 · 28-11-2019 8:25pm #1

Looking for a general purpose trailer suitable for transporting quad, meal and sheep, not looking for anything fancy, would a single or twin axle be best? What would be the main difference?

Looking at 2 options:
New 8x4 single axle with mesh sides chequer floor and ramp , spare wheel, bradley lock,€1580 inc vat.

New 8'2" x 4'2" twin axle with mesh sides chequer floor and ramp, spare wheel €2590 inc vat

Thank you.

Water John · 28-11-2019 8:52pm

Brakes and jack?
Can you slide in a pallet, can be handy?

wrangler · 28-11-2019 9:11pm

DJ98 wrote: »

Looking for a general purpose trailer suitable for transporting quad, meal and sheep, not looking for anything fancy, would a single or twin axle be best? What would be the main difference?

Looking at 2 options:
New 8x4 single axle with mesh sides chequer floor and ramp , spare wheel, bradley lock,€1580 inc vat.

New 8'2" x 4'2" twin axle with mesh sides chequer floor and ramp, spare wheel €2590 inc vat

Thank you.

Is that Tuffmac, people around here now are buying nothing else.
Seem to be the cheapest

kk.man · 28-11-2019 9:12pm

DJ98 wrote: »

Looking for a general purpose trailer suitable for transporting quad, meal and sheep, not looking for anything fancy, would a single or twin axle be best? What would be the main difference?

Looking at 2 options:
New 8x4 single axle with mesh sides chequer floor and ramp , spare wheel, bradley lock,€1580 inc vat.

New 8'2" x 4'2" twin axle with mesh sides chequer floor and ramp, spare wheel €2590 inc vat

Thank you.

Do u have to buy new? After all it's only for a quad and new one's devalue a fair bit.

DJ98 · 28-11-2019 9:21pm

kk.man wrote: »

Do u have to buy new? After all it's only for a quad and new one's devalue a fair bit.

Can't find anything suitable in donedeal, second hand

wrangler · 28-11-2019 9:30pm

DJ98 wrote: »

Can't find anything suitable in donedeal, second hand

And they're usually a rip off,my nephew bought a trailer off donedeal and he always claimed his father paid westwood for the rest of it. He bought a tuff mac last week, his father is on his second tuffmac now

DJ98 · 28-11-2019 9:40pm

wrangler wrote: »

And they're usually a rip off,my nephew bought a trailer off donedeal and he always claimed his father paid westwood for the rest of it. He bought a tuff mac last week, his father is on his second tuffmac now

My biggest fear would be that the seller may not be genuine and I could be buying a trailer that was stolen up or down the country, I know is probably a terrible attitude and that many sellers are probably genuine

wrangler · 28-11-2019 9:42pm

DJ98 wrote: »

My biggest fear would be that the seller may not be genuine and I could be buying a trailer that was stolen up or down the country, I know is probably a terrible attitude and that many sellers are probably genuine

THey're usually selling because it's wore out,

DJ98 · 28-11-2019 9:50pm

https://www.byrnetrailers.ie/goods/new-trailers-for-sale

Water John · 28-11-2019 10:02pm

If it's the same trailer 10' x 5', it's cheaper here;
https://www.hartnett-products.ie/collections/builders-trailers/products/new-10-x-5-twin-axle-builders-trailers

wrangler · 28-11-2019 10:07pm

Water John wrote: »

If it's the same trailer 10' x 5', it's cheaper here;
https://www.hartnett-products.ie/collections/builders-trailers/products/new-10-x-5-twin-axle-builders-trailers

I'd rather the wheels under for pallets

DJ98 · 28-11-2019 10:31pm

How many ewes/40 kg lambs would an 8x4 single axle trailer hold?

jmreire · 28-11-2019 10:36pm

You probably know this anyway, just to mention it. Be careful what you are using to pull it. Twin axle trailer's need bigger than an ordinary car.... has to be a van or 4x4. You can pull the single axle with the car though ( up to certain weight's, depending on the make and type of car )

DJ98 · 28-11-2019 10:58pm

jmreire wrote: »

You probably know this anyway, just to mention it. Be careful what you are using to pull it. Twin axle trailer's need bigger than an ordinary car.... has to be a van or 4x4. You can pull the single axle with the car though ( up to certain weight's, depending on the make and type of car )

Would be pulling with 1.6 diesel car

wrangler · 28-11-2019 11:01pm

DJ98 wrote: »

Would be pulling with 1.6 diesel car

What make, there's plenty of information on here, someone will tell you what it's allowed pull.
On saying that I've never heard of any one being weighed, except maybe an accident

Grueller · 28-11-2019 11:07pm

jmreire wrote: »

You probably know this anyway, just to mention it. Be careful what you are using to pull it. Twin axle trailer's need bigger than an ordinary car.... has to be a van or 4x4. You can pull the single axle with the car though ( up to certain weight's, depending on the make and type of car )

Wrong. Number of axles is irrelevant. It is weights that matter.

Water John · 28-11-2019 11:24pm

Twin axle is easier to tow. Trailer will always be carrying most of the load.

hopeso · 28-11-2019 11:50pm

DJ98 wrote: »

https://www.byrnetrailers.ie/goods/new-trailers-for-sale

Do you know what make they are? How do they compare price wise against an established make?
There's a fair price difference in the two you're interested in, but I'd go for the twin axle any day. Better balanced with a load, probably a lot steadier to tow, and certainly easier to reverse....No brakes on the single axle either....

Ard_MC · 29-11-2019 12:01am

I have 10 x 5 twin axle tuff mac. Bought new 2 years ago and it was cheaper than your quote. PM me if want dealers details. Way up in Donegal though.

Delighted with trailer. I'd go twin axle all the way. But if ur planning on towing it round the farm with the quad then single axle probably be best. I have both here.

Green farmer · 29-11-2019 12:07am

hopeso wrote: »

Do you know what make they are? ..

The Byrne trailers one looks like it's a Murphy of Kerry and the cork dealers look like it's a mcm.

jmreire · 29-11-2019 12:11am

Grueller wrote: »

Wrong. Number of axles is irrelevant. It is weights that matter.

So up to 750 Kg, single axle, 750 to 3.500 Kg twin axle then?

Green farmer · 29-11-2019 12:16am

I've only towed a twin axle, but often pondered a single axle. A few lads say the single has a lot less rolling resistance than the twin axle and you wouldn't feel it behind the car, so easier towed. Especially for handy trips for bits and pieces. The flip side is I'm guessing they can be bouncy ?

Ard_MC · 29-11-2019 12:21am

Green farmer wrote: »

I've only towed a twin axle, but often pondered a single axle. A few lads say the single has a lot less rolling resistance than the twin axle and you wouldn't feel it behind the car, so easier towed. Especially for handy trips for bits and pieces. The flip side is I'm guessing they can be bouncy ?

You will reverse the twin axle alot easier IMO.

Albert Johnson · 29-11-2019 12:27am

Ard_MC wrote: »

You will reverse the twin axle alot easier IMO.

+1 on this and as stated above it should be steadier, less bouncy, put less weight on the car and hopefully punctures shouldn't be as big a problem especially if loaded. If going for an 8×4 or bigger then I wouldn't even consider a single axle due to all the reasons above, double axle all the way and you'll have a very versatile trailer. Single axles are only suitable for a 6×3 or some other glorified wheel barrow imo, there grand for a trailer for land work, behind a quad ect but there not meant for heavy road work.

wrangler · 29-11-2019 12:29am

Ard_MC wrote: »

You will reverse the twin axle alot easier IMO.

If it's bouncy, it's travelling with more weight on its front axle, car drawbar is too low, raise the drawbar and throw more weight on to the back wheels it'll be a different trailer, same with jeep trailer

wrangler · 29-11-2019 12:30am

Ard_MC wrote: »

You will reverse the twin axle alot easier IMO.

If it's bouncy, it's travelling with more weight on its front axle, car drawbar is too low, raise the drawbar and throw more weight on to the back wheels of the trailer it'll be a different trailer, same with jeep trailer

Grueller · 29-11-2019 12:24pm

jmreire wrote: »

So up to 750 Kg, single axle, 750 to 3.500 Kg twin axle then?

https://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Your-Vehicle/About-your-Vehicle/Example-of-non-Dup/Trailers-/What-can-my-vehicle-tow-/

That should explain it all in a way that would be far better than my pigeon english.

_Brian · 29-11-2019 1:49pm

DJ98 wrote: »

How many ewes/40 kg lambs would an 8x4 single axle trailer hold?

We’ve an 8*4 here and it’s plated for 1000kg load, 1450 kg gross

_Brian · 29-11-2019 1:50pm

jmreire wrote: »

You probably know this anyway, just to mention it. Be careful what you are using to pull it. Twin axle trailer's need bigger than an ordinary car.... has to be a van or 4x4. You can pull the single axle with the car though ( up to certain weight's, depending on the make and type of car )

Incorrect.
All done by weights.

wrangler · 29-11-2019 2:08pm

_Brian wrote: »

We’ve an 8*4 here and it’s plated for 1000kg load, 1450 kg gross

1000 kg that's 25 lambs, our trailer is 12 by 5 and I doubt it'd hold 25.

8 by 4 is just over half the size of a 12 by 5 so 12 or maybe 13 lambs at the most

Dinzee Conlee · 29-11-2019 2:49pm

wrangler wrote: »

1000 kg that's 25 lambs, our trailer is 12 by 5 and I doubt it'd hold 25.

8 by 4 is just over half the size of a 12 by 5 so 12 or maybe 13 lambs at the most

Have a 7x4 here, and it would hold 11 lambs at a squeeze...
So 8x4 would be 13 all right I’d say...

leoch · 29-11-2019 5:21pm

thats 40kgs each ive a 12 x 5.9 ifor williams wheels outside hold 25 lambs that size........but had 25 finished ram lambs in it last week and it was a tight squeeze

Green farmer · 29-11-2019 5:55pm

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

Have a 7x4 here, and it would hold 11 lambs at a squeeze...
So 8x4 would be 13 all right I’d say...

Guessing 13 max as well. Have a 8x5 and she's 16-17 depending on size. Squeeze too hard and a weak lamb could get trampled. Then your having part of a carcass part condemned in a factory.

divillybit · 24-08-2021 8:35pm

https://www.donedeal.ie/trailers-for-sale/new-8-x-5-general-purpose-trailers/24589291

Was quoted 2950 for an 8x4 twin axle MTec trailer last week with the mesh sides so prices have jumped a good bit when compares to what the OP was quoted.

Was looking out for a good 2nd hand builders trailer but there's alot of rough trailers for sale and anything decent sells very quick. So decided i"ll buy a new one and mind it and will last a long time hopefully.

I kinda prefer a nugent trailer but as I'm going buying new I'm open minded but there's little to distinguish them in some respects.

Any recommendations or cheaper brands to avoid?

C0N0R · 25-08-2021 9:07am

Currently looking at trailers too, was leaning towards dropside 8 x 5 or 10ft either, will buy new but won’t be for serious heavy work, hope to be a lifetime purchase job.

wrangler · 25-08-2021 9:59am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117800535#Comment_117800535

I bought a 10ft nugent about 15 years ago and everyone comments that it should have 5 stud wheels on it, last week when I was igetting tyre the mechanic said tha it was a grand trailer but I shoul sell the wheels and axle and get axles and bigger five stud wheels, it'd be much nicer to pull.

Now I have no problems with it but if I put two ton on it you'd know it was under pressure, I'm a bit disappointed in Nugent for not doing it right the first day so I'll give you the benefit of my experience

divillybit · 25-08-2021 2:00pm

Thanks for that. I wouldn't have passed much heed on whether the axles were 4 or 5 stud. Would 5 stud axles be used smaller trailers like 8x4's at all?

10-09-2021 5:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117800728#Comment_117800728

Ive an 8x5 twin axel ifor with mesh sides with 4 stud wheels.

Its rated for 2 ton. The same trailer can be bought with 5 stud axels which is rated for 2.7 ton . Im assuming lighter springs as well. The brother has the 5 stud version and there is no difference in pulling them .

4 stud trailer weighs 450kg. 5 stud weighs 500kg

Im pulling mine with the car so im happy with the 4 stud one

Nugent probably do the same .

patrick_10 · 25-10-2023 11:33am

Similar to everyone above, looking to buy 8x4 trailer for general use. Will be pulling with Van and rarely anything heavy. Similar to others I'll prob go for a new tuffmac or Mtec, least it will be lifetime and mesh sides would be handy. Any dealers in North recommended?

What's difference between small wheel Nugent or IWT trailer are these easier pulled? Seen 2nd hand of both advertised but wary both would be wrecked by builders.

hopeso · 25-10-2023 1:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121281828#Comment_121281828

When you say small wheel, I assume you mean the trailers with the wheels underneath? If so, they are well worth considering. They have drop sides, so can be loaded from the side with a fork lift. The sides can be removed altogether to carry something a little too wide, or for strapping down something. Also, a 5'10 trailer with the wheels underneath wouldn't be any wider than a 4' wide trailer with the wheels outside, so you have a bigger trailer, without it being any bigger...

Dunedin · 25-10-2023 1:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121281828#Comment_121281828

Go with the 8x5. The extra foot makes a huge difference

Kevhog1988 · 25-10-2023 3:52pm

I bought an Mtec recently. Delighted with it and easy towed.

Dunedin · 25-10-2023 4:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121282975#Comment_121282975

Same here. Got the MTec 8x5 last year and love it

Albert Johnson · 25-10-2023 6:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121282306#Comment_121282306

+1 on the above. The wheels underneath in a flat trailer is a far superior job imo. You can strip the sides down flat for loading/unloading and carrying awkward loads. The trailer is also only the width of the body so you haven't to be watching as much going through gateways, narrow roads, towns ect. I've a 14 by 6"6 Ivor Williams flat trailer with the wheels underneath and it's no wider than the jeep. This leaves it easy to manoveur compared to an equivalent trailer with the wheels outside which would be over 8 foot wide. An 8 by 5 dropside trailer with ramps would be a very versatile nd tidy trailer for behind a van.

patrick_10 · 25-10-2023 10:48pm

Thanks all. Will get a look a both options. Yeah agree will go with 8 x 5 I'll never be carrying anything to big or heavy.

@Albert Johnson when you say 8x5 do you mean with small wheels underneath ? That would be a neat trailer alright.

Thanks again

trabpc · 26-10-2023 7:17am

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Grinder + bit timber ..... GP Trailer

Albert Johnson · 26-10-2023 7:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121284555#Comment_121284555

Yes with the wheels underneath, there a very tidy job and you're maximising the load space without having a big awkward trailer.

funkey_monkey · 26-10-2023 9:46am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121284957#Comment_121284957

Who was it on here recently that was looking to turn a trailer into meal storage?

26-10-2023 9:47am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121285301#Comment_121285301

My idea was nowhere near that fancy...

AntrimGlens · 26-10-2023 10:12am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121281828#Comment_121281828

If you're looking for a Nugent, try Gerard Kennedy Machinery, generally can't be beaten up here for anything Abbey or Nugent. Might be a bit of a drive though.

https://www.gkennedyagrisales.com/

memorystick · 26-10-2023 12:18pm

Would a Passat handle an 8 by 5 Ivor Williams with sheep decks? Probably hold 30 store lambs. Thanks

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