HGV overtaking on motorway

highdef · 24-11-2019 10:38PM

L1011 wrote: »

Only on a needle speedo. Digital ones are going to be 98/99.

And anyway, all are above the 90km/h the truck should be limited to.

Not true. Have tested the hubbys electric car with digital Speedo and it is 10% over at all speeds.

highdef · 24-11-2019 10:41PM

GM228 wrote: »

Only applies to the right most lane of motorways.

So if a HGV gets stuck behind a tractor that is doing (and can only do) 60 km/h on the M4 at Leixlip, the hgv driver will have to wait till near Mullingar to overtake, where the motorway loses its motorway status.... Assuming the tractor is driving that far, which it is perfectly entitled to do.

Still waters · 24-11-2019 10:45PM

He must have the magnet out of its hiding place in the cab

Still waters · 24-11-2019 10:47PM

highdef wrote: »

So if a HGV gets stuck behind a tractor that is doing (and can only do) 60 km/h on the M4 at Leixlip, the hgv driver will have to wait till near Mullingar to overtake, where the motorway loses its motorway status.... Assuming the tractor is driving that far, which it is perfectly entitled to do.

Legally he's supposed to stay behind the tractor

zubair · 24-11-2019 10:51PM

jarvis wrote: »

He had to be doing 120 to overtake me doing 100. If he’d lost control it would have been absolute carnage.

Pretty sure 101 would have done it :-)

disposableFish · 24-11-2019 11:04PM

Still waters wrote: »

He must have the magnet out of its hiding place in the cab

Bingo, this the answer to this whole thing.

Wishbone Ash · 25-11-2019 12:51AM

highdef wrote: »

So if a HGV gets stuck behind a tractor that is doing (and can only do) 60 km/h on the M4 at Leixlip, the hgv driver will have to wait till near Mullingar to overtake, where the motorway loses its motorway status.... Assuming the tractor is driving that far, which it is perfectly entitled to do.

Yes.

The driver is free to chose an alternative route if he/she isn't happy with the motorway regulations.

highdef · 25-11-2019 02:02AM

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Yes.

The driver is free to chose an alternative route if he/she isn't happy with the motorway regulations.

So there is the very literal possibility (assuming all hgv drivers follow the rules of the road) that on the approach to Mullingar there could be dozens upon dozens of HGV's queing up behind the tractor, way behind schedule, leading to late deliveries to a consortium of places simply because the delivery drivers were unable to pass by a slow moving vehicle (tractor, in this case). There would be other knock on effects because dozens of HGV'S in a queue would most likely lead to a brake light backlog or phantom slow down type situation.

Still waters · 25-11-2019 07:53AM

Yep, another great idea caused by photocopying legislation from the uk, you can be punished but its very unlikely so most drivers overtake when able

zubair · 25-11-2019 08:26AM

Still waters wrote: »

Yep, another great idea caused by photocopying legislation from the uk, you can be punished but its very unlikely so most drivers overtake when able

Honestly I didn't even know this was a rule until I was in court one day and there was a hgv driver up for exactly this. I imagine he was taking the pizz to get done for it though and then decided to fight it.

Drifter50 · 25-11-2019 08:41AM

Surely tractors are not allowed on motorways

Must have another look at the forbidden vehicles for motorways, I was always fairly sure farm vehicles including tractors are forbidden

But I stand to be corrected

Cookie_Monster · 25-11-2019 08:43AM

Drifter50 wrote: »

Surely tractors are not allowed on motorways

Must have another look at the forbidden vehicles for motorways, I was always fairly sure farm vehicles including tractors are forbidden

But I stand to be corrected

once they are capable of 50km/h its fine

Cookie_Monster · 25-11-2019 08:44AM

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

There are some sections where a truck must be in the rightmost lane - hence the reason why it doesn't apply to motorways where the limit is 80km/h or less.

where and why?

osheen · 25-11-2019 09:19AM

As already pointed out, when entering the m50 from the m1 south bound and again if exiting the m50 heading for clarehall

Count Down · 25-11-2019 09:26AM

Drifter50 wrote: »

Surely tractors are not allowed on motorways

Must have another look at the forbidden vehicles for motorways, I was always fairly sure farm vehicles including tractors are forbidden

But I stand to be corrected

As long as the vehicle is capable of attaining a speed of 50km per hour.
Stupid rule, because unlike the UK, there's nothing to stop the driver of say. a tractor or JCB from dawdling along at 40km per hour or less holding up an entire lane (I've seen it happen).
It seems that once a vehicle is on the motorway it can travel at any speed the driver likes, as long as it's capable of at least 50km per hour.

Imagine being a truck driver in a hurry.....:mad:

Seth Brundle · 25-11-2019 09:30AM

Count Down wrote: »

As long as the vehicle is capable of attaining a speed of 50km per hour.
Stupid rule, because unlike the UK, there's nothing to stop the driver of say. a tractor or JCB from dawdling along at 40km per hour or less holding up an entire lane (I've seen it happen).
It seems that once a vehicle is on the motorway it can travel at any speed the driver likes, as long as it's capable of at least 50km per hour.
Imagine being a truck driver in a hurry.....:mad:

You mean like cars do on the M50 and other motorways every day?

GM228 · 25-11-2019 10:27AM

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

There are some sections where a truck must be in the rightmost lane - hence the reason why it doesn't apply to motorways where the limit is 80km/h or less.

Legislation does not support what your claiming, it does not specify a minimum speed at which the prohibition kicks in.

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

I'd be interested in how you would bring a truck to Dublin Airport from the M1 southbound without using the right lane as one must enter the motorway on the right lane on the section towards the airport.

A truck must be in the right most lane when entering the airport from the M1 Southbound? At J2 I assume you mean? Since when must a truck be in the right lane for the airport there?

Yes, there are locations where a truck must be in the right most lane to take a particular destination, however often they are not "traffic lanes" for the purposes of road traffic legislation which legally is not the same as the common understanding of a lane. This is where you get technical in applying the law, but nevertheless an important aspect when interpreting the law.

That aside yes there are places where the roads have been screwed up somewhat and not technically in compliance with the traffic legislation, an example of this being on the M50 Northbound heading for Malahide at J1, but there are other instances where the layout of the roads is not compatible with road traffic law.

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Further southbound, a truck entering the DPT make legally access it on the rightmost lane. Similarly, a truck may legally exit the DPT heading north on the rightmost lane.

No they can't, they can not be in the right lane in the DPT or when entering or exiting the DPT.

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Perhaps you could enlighten us as to why you think the prohibition is not subject to speed limits.

Perhaps you could enlighten us as to why you think it is, afterall you maid the claim.

I have shown the legislation in force, it is not qualified by a minimum speed, that is a fact, you can't read in qualifying criteria into legislation to fit the agenda (and neither can a court), you simply can not put an applicable speed when one does not exist for the purposes of statutory interpretation, that is not how the law works.

GM228 · 25-11-2019 10:50AM

Still waters wrote: »

Yep, another great idea caused by photocopying legislation from the uk, you can be punished but its very unlikely so most drivers overtake when able

Ireland and the UK introduced the ban around the same time in 1983.

It is enforced and there has been a big crack down on it in recent years.

Still waters · 25-11-2019 11:38AM

GM228 wrote: »

Ireland and the UK introduced the ban around the same time in 1983.

It is enforced and there has been a big crack down on it in recent years.

Ive many miles covered all over Ireland in artic and rigid and have only ever heard of a dew lads being done, ive overtaken and been overtaken in hgvs and never had a problem, just lucky so far i suppose

Wishbone Ash · 25-11-2019 11:56AM

GM228 wrote: »

Legislation does not support what your claiming......

.......Perhaps you could enlighten us as to why you think it is, afterall you maid the claim.....

It's not easy to find as the principal act has been ammended so many times - see part highlighted in red.

(b) in article 33(1), by inserting after paragraph (d) (inserted by the Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) Regulations 2005 ( S.I. No. 11 of 2005 )) the following:

“(e) Paragraph (d) does not apply where -

(i) a special speed limit of not more than 80 kilometres per hour applies under a special speed limit bye-law, or

(ii) a speed limit of not more than 80 kilometres per hour applies under a road works speed limit order.”.

25-11-2019 12:33PM

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

There are some sections where a truck must be in the rightmost lane - hence the reason why it doesn't apply to motorways where the limit is 80km/h or less.

where and why?

osheen wrote: »

As already pointed out, when entering the m50 from the m1 south bound and again if exiting the m50 heading for clarehall

One of those two spots does not require the use of the rightmost lane.
M1 southbound, there's 5 lanes.....1 & 2 for the M50, 3 for the R139/Clarehall and 4 & 5 for Town.

Google Maps link

kennethsmyth · 25-11-2019 12:39PM

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

There are some sections where a truck must be in the rightmost lane - hence the reason why it doesn't apply to motorways where the limit is 80km/h or less.

I'd be interested in how you would bring a truck to Dublin Airport from the M1 southbound without using the right lane as one must enter the motorway on the right lane on the section towards the airport.

Further southbound, a truck entering the DPT make legally access it on the rightmost lane. Similarly, a truck may legally exit the DPT heading north on the rightmost lane.

Perhaps you could enlighten us as to why you think the prohibition is not subject to speed limits.

Actually, a truck cannot enter the DPT in the rightmost lane - there are specific signs all through the tunnel no 3 axle trucks in right lane.

HGV overtaking on motorway

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