Dogs being carried on the DART

Atlantic Dawn · 24-11-2019 3:55am #1

I've noticed recently a big increase in people carrying non guide dogs on the DART, almost a daily occurance. What's the story if you are bit by one, do you sue Irish Rail for allowing it to happen?

Cookie_Monster · 24-11-2019 4:10am

you get over it and move on with your life

Atlantic Dawn · 24-11-2019 4:12am

But first the person who thinks it's ok should be arrested and fined €5k.

whisky_galore · 24-11-2019 11:03am

How many people get bitten by non guide dogs annually on trains? Can't be a great number.
I'd be more concerned about the two legged animals that make using public transport a misery for everyone else

punisher5112 · 24-11-2019 11:05am

One can once the dog is under control same on abus it's up to staff discretion.

KaneToad · 24-11-2019 11:07am

If you're the litigious type, I suppose you'd sue the dog owner....or the dog ..

Reminded me of this great website:

https://www.sadanduseless.com/avoiding-the-fine/

Del.Monte · 24-11-2019 11:20am

Irish Rail's somewhat confusing policy on dogs is explained (?) here: https://www.irishrail.ie/travel-information/travelling-with-animals

cgcsb · 24-11-2019 5:04pm

You develop an utterly irrational fear and post on boards about it I suppose. You should try the red luas line where you're more likely to be bitten by a human/semi human

Abba987 · 24-11-2019 5:06pm

Dogs are the least of your worries on the dart

GM228 · 24-11-2019 5:07pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

Irish Rail's somewhat confusing policy on dogs is explained (?) here: https://www.irishrail.ie/travel-information/travelling-with-animals

What's confusing about it? Seems pretty clear:-

Small lap dogs and guide/assistant dogs allowed.

Other dogs allowed in a receptacle if there's a guards van.

Anything else, not allowed.

decky1 · 24-11-2019 5:17pm

Why do people always think the worst, would you not think 'there's a lovely little/big dog how nice it is to see him out with his owner on this lovely day is'nt life wonderful'

magicbastarder · 24-11-2019 5:32pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

But first the person who thinks it's ok should be arrested and fined €5k.

who merely *thinks* it's OK? jaysus, thoughtcrime.

Del.Monte · 24-11-2019 5:58pm

GM228 wrote: »

What's confusing about it? Seems pretty clear:-

Small lap dogs and guide/assistant dogs allowed.

Other dogs allowed in a receptacle if there's a guards van.

Anything else, not allowed.

There, you've proved my point - 23 words is all that's needed to cover it.

cgcsb · 24-11-2019 5:59pm

decky1 wrote: »

Why do people always think the worst, would you not think 'there's a lovely little/big dog how nice it is to see him out with his owner on this lovely day is'nt life wonderful'

The dark minds of some only see misery and negativity though.

CatInABox · 24-11-2019 7:03pm

To be honest, if I sat next to a dog on the dart, I'd think it was the best dart journey ever.

Zebra3 · 24-11-2019 7:12pm

decky1 wrote: »

Why do people always think the worst, would you not think 'there's a lovely little/big dog how nice it is to see him out with his owner on this lovely day is'nt life wonderful'

If I want to spend time with an animal, I'll go to a zoo or a farm.

Odelay · 24-11-2019 7:13pm

Misread the title. Thought it was “drugs being carried on dart”.

Del.Monte · 24-11-2019 7:14pm

Odelay wrote: »

Misread the title. Thought it was “drugs being transported on dart”.

Sadly they are and being partaken of too.

kenmm · 24-11-2019 7:15pm

Ireland has some of the weirdest attitudes to dogs compared to any other country I have visited.
Its like half the country has some deep fear that all dogs are going to suddenly turn and start attacking in a desperate bid to take over the country. Maybe Irish dogs are different?

Spanish Eyes · 24-11-2019 7:16pm

Pets drive me nuts sorry.

I dislike sharing my space with a hairy thing that thinks I love it. Or more to the point, the owner thinks that. As for cats....

Anyway I thought only Assistance dogs are allowed on Public Transport.

But it seems like anything goes these days and no one cares. Unless a ticket inspector gets you by the short and curlies that is!

This country has gone to the dogs. LOL.

Charlie19 · 24-11-2019 7:19pm

What would happen if a dog was to say urinate on the dart? It be tough to clean that up on a busy commute.

iamwhoiam · 24-11-2019 7:22pm

I would much prefer to sit beside a controlled dog in a bag than a scummy , shouty , off his head scumbag

strandroad · 24-11-2019 7:23pm

I see them more often indeed and I'm completely fine with it. It should be allowed with the "under effective control" caveat we already have in relevant legislation. Not everyone has a car and banning pets on public transport is a very unusual approach, why do we have it in the first place? You see them all over Europe and it's perfectly fine.

kenmm · 24-11-2019 7:23pm

Charlie19 wrote: »

What would happen if a dog was to say urinate on the dart? It be tough to clean that up on a busy commute.

Nearly every country in Europe (plus rest of world), would allow dogs on the train. Its not a big issue. Most responsible people train dogs, especially if they take them places. This means they dont go crapping in random places or biting people (unless some feral child goes pulling the ears of them).

Maybe in Ireland the training part doesnt happen so much and its easier to ban them? I dunno - just looking for reasons as its one of these things that is genuinely strange and you dont notice until you travel to other place.

Edit: tho - i'd say it be the same if someone dropped a can of coke, or something. A bit of a pain etc, but I suspect not many would be happy taking the dog on a packed commuter train anyway, because, well its a bit of a pain.

strandroad · 24-11-2019 7:27pm

Charlie19 wrote: »

What would happen if a dog was to say urinate on the dart? It be tough to clean that up on a busy commute.

Extremely unlikely to happen with a housetrained dog. Even if it happened, there is a much bigger chance of the owner cleaning it up than there is of a soiled addict cleaning up after themselves and yet we allow them on trains.

kenmm · 24-11-2019 7:33pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I've noticed recently a big increase in people carrying non guide dogs on the DART, almost a daily occurance. What's the story if you are bit by one, do you sue Irish Rail for allowing it to happen?

Besides, what are you suing for? If you banged your elbow on a closing door, you gonna lawyer up?

What if a guide dog bites you? Or another person? Or a mouse? I got stung by a bee once, I think on a bus - what should I have done, called the solicitor?

Anyway - good post, gave me a chuckle! Keep it up.

24-11-2019 7:37pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

you get over it and move on with your life

If you’re bitten by a dog? That would surely depend on how bad the injuries were. Strange flippancy there.

kenmm · 24-11-2019 7:41pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

If you’re bitten by a dog? That would surely depend on how bad the injuries were. Strange flippancy there.

Its a hypothetical dog, not a wolf or a bear. How many people do you know thats been bitten severely by a dog thats with the owner?

My brother did once.. in 1988 (wasnt that bad, but he was a kid) - cant think of anyone since.

24-11-2019 7:42pm

kenmm wrote: »

Its a hypothetical dog, not a wolf or a bear. How many people do you know thats been bitten severely by a dog thats with the owner?

My brother did once.. in 1988 (wasnt that bad, but he was a kid) - cant think of anyone since.

You can’t be bitten by one that’s not there.

strandroad · 24-11-2019 7:43pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

If you’re bitten by a dog? That would surely depend on how bad the injuries were. Strange flippancy there.

Well how do people walk the streets with all them dogs out there? If you're bitten by a dog who is with the owner you can sue the owner (for failing to control the dog) not the space you're in.

kenmm · 24-11-2019 7:44pm

Its all a lie - I dont even have a brother!

magicbastarder · 24-11-2019 8:05pm

how much is a ticket for a dog on public transport? i bet there is none, the bleedin' freeloader dogs.

theteal · 24-11-2019 8:12pm

CatInABox wrote: »

To be honest, if I sat next to a dog on the dart, I'd think it was the best dart journey ever.

Tube journey home from work on Friday. A lovely golden lab beside me, clearly a bit nervous on the packed train. It took every ounce of my resolve to not hunker down and play with it.

whisky_galore · 24-11-2019 9:14pm

kenmm wrote: »

Ireland has some of the weirdest attitudes to dogs compared to any other country I have visited.
Its like half the country has some deep fear that all dogs are going to suddenly turn and start attacking in a desperate bid to take over the country. Maybe Irish dogs are different?

No, Irish humans are.
There's a significant minority of owners who can't train their dogs, keep them under control or clean up after them and get awfully touchy when called out on it.

That said I'd prefer the company of dogs to some so called more advanced mammals any day.

borderlinemeath · 24-11-2019 9:37pm

Zebra3 wrote: »

If I want to spend time with an animal, I'll go to a zoo or a farm.

Ironic user name?

Allinall · 24-11-2019 9:38pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Pets drive me nuts sorry.

I dislike sharing my space with a hairy thing that thinks I love it. Or more to the point, the owner thinks that. As for cats....

Anyway I thought only Assistance dogs are allowed on Public Transport.

But it seems like anything goes these days and no one cares. Unless a ticket inspector gets you by the short and curlies that is!

This country has gone to the dogs. LOL.

Unless you’re bald, you’re a hypocrite.

borderlinemeath · 24-11-2019 9:54pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Pets drive me nuts sorry.

I dislike sharing my space with a hairy thing that thinks I love it. Or more to the point, the owner thinks that. As for cats....

Anyway I thought only Assistance dogs are allowed on Public Transport.

But it seems like anything goes these days and no one cares. Unless a ticket inspector gets you by the short and curlies that is!

This country has gone to the dogs. LOL.

Dogs are marvellous creatures. They love unconditionally, regardless of whether you are a decent person or a mean spirited aul git. They are indifferent to most bad human traits and don't care whether you look like shiit, feel like crap, or are depressed - they are there for You in your worst times. They are wonderful company for older people that may live alone, and develop empathy and responsibility as pets to children.

If somebody doesn't like dogs, it's very much a reflection of them as a person, rather than the dog.

cgcsb · 24-11-2019 10:04pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Pets drive me nuts sorry.

I dislike sharing my space with a hairy thing that thinks I love it. Or more to the point, the owner thinks that. As for cats....

Anyway I thought only Assistance dogs are allowed on Public Transport.

But it seems like anything goes these days and no one cares. Unless a ticket inspector gets you by the short and curlies that is!

This country has gone to the dogs. LOL.

Are you serious? Like there are actual crimes happening today.

cgcsb · 24-11-2019 10:09pm

borderlinemeath wrote: »

Dogs are marvellous creatures. They love unconditionally, regardless of whether you are a decent person or a mean spirited aul git. They are indifferent to most bad human traits and don't care whether you look like shiit, feel like crap, or are depressed - they are there for You in your worst times. They are wonderful company for older people that may live alone, and develop empathy and responsibility as pets to children.

If somebody doesn't like dogs, it's very much a reflection of them as a person, rather than the dog.

Literally I don't get how a person wouldn't like a dog. 99% of dogs are better people than humans.

kenmm · 24-11-2019 10:13pm

I get people may not like dogs for reasons like a phobia, bad experience with one as a kid etc.

But there seems to be a general fear in Irish society that I dont get - like a dog cant be allowed in a pub because its unhygienic (I know plenty of people tht could do with a good scrub!) - and its not like the dog is in the back cooking or eating out the fridge or anything..

Same with buses/trains etc.. Just because someone has a dog, you dont need to go near it.

borderlinemeath · 24-11-2019 10:16pm

cgcsb wrote: »

Literally I don't get how a person wouldn't like a dog. 99% of dogs are better people than humans.

I think it depends on how you were brought up. When I was a kid we always had at least one dog, most of the time 2 dogs. And all my family grew up and got their own dogs. One of my best friends never had pets growing up and she, nor any of her siblings have any pets, and are fairly indifferent to them.

So I would imagine that anybody who doesn't like dogs got their lack of empathy towards pets from their own parentage.

strandroad · 24-11-2019 10:17pm

cgcsb wrote: »

Literally I don't get how a person wouldn't like a dog. 99% of dogs are better people than humans.

I get how some people might not like dogs, but they can bear being around a dog (under control) without liking them!

elperello · 24-11-2019 10:23pm

Old dogs and children and watermelon wine.

magicbastarder · 25-11-2019 12:00am

borderlinemeath wrote: »

Dogs are marvellous creatures. They love unconditionally, regardless of whether you are a decent person or a mean spirited aul git.

you've not met my neighbour's dog, the most bad tempered little ****bag of a dog you could possibly meet. has latched onto my foot twice with its teeth.

there are three houses i won't pass on the bike due to persistent dog attacks; i know, i should report them, but i suspect nothing will happen.

i like dogs, but they're like people. some of them are obnoxious.

decky1 · 25-11-2019 12:12am

Zebra3 wrote: »

If I want to spend time with an animal, I'll go to a zoo or a farm.

Well you seem to like horses, you seem to be sitting on a 'High' one.:D

borderlinemeath · 25-11-2019 12:14am

magicbastarder wrote: »

you've not met my neighbour's dog, the most bad tempered little ****bag of a dog you could possibly meet. has latched onto my foot twice with its teeth.

there are three houses i won't pass on the bike due to persistent dog attacks; i know, i should report them, but i suspect nothing will happen.

i like dogs, but they're like people. some of them are obnoxious.

Bad owners, who have let territorial behaviours fester. But the dog still loves that owner despite it's failings.

Problem with passing by a territorial dogs house is that a dog will naturally defend it's patch. When you pass by a house and a dog is going ballistic, you keep on going so in it's mind it thinks "job done". It's usually the postman/delivery man that starts and reinforces this type of behaviour, as they approach and leave after a very short visit. Bad owners won't discourage or try and alter the dogs behaviour, most of the time they think it's probably a good thing to have a guard dog. Take the dog out of their territory they would most likely behave entirely differently.

Wishbone Ash · 25-11-2019 12:29am

cgcsb wrote: »

Literally I don't get how a person wouldn't like a dog. 99% of dogs are better people than humans.

Try cycling in rural Ireland where the so called 'decent law abiding people' live and report back here.

Always Tired · 25-11-2019 12:32am

It's extremely rare to be bit by a dog. I worked in animal control for 3 years and of the very few cases we had, all but one of them occured in the dog owners home. Only one person got bit in public, and it was me, when a homeless guys dog bit me.

decky1 · 25-11-2019 12:38am

Was on a train one time and a guy got on with a monkey, 'are you taking it to the zoo i asked' no say's he 'we were there yesterday i think we might try the cinema today' Ah yes the old one's are the best.

john boye · 25-11-2019 1:02am

Charlie19 wrote: »

What would happen if a dog was to say urinate on the dart? It be tough to clean that up on a busy commute.

Probably the same as what happens when a human urinates on it.

kenmm · 25-11-2019 12:27pm

john boye wrote: »

Probably the same as what happens when a human urinates on it.

(Dog) Owner more likely to clean it up I'd say..

Dogs being carried on the DART

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