flying in asylum seekers

Firblog · 23-11-2019 02:06AM #1

Heard on newstalk today that a six year old boy from Zimbabwe arrived in dublin airport (on a plane) to join his mother who is resident in a direct provision facility seeking asylum.

Question: Should airlines be fined for bringing people to Ireland who have no visa / legal right to enter the country?

Pinch Flat · 23-11-2019 02:08AM

Firblog wrote: »

arrived in dublin airport (on a plane)

Well I’ll be damned

Firblog · 23-11-2019 02:09AM

Ye coulldn't be too specific...

Firblog · 23-11-2019 02:09AM

well you could.. obviously

Berserker5 · 23-11-2019 02:10AM

Smart boy has to be said

Atlantic Dawn · 23-11-2019 02:25AM

There's no direct flights from Zimbabwe to Ireland, how did he get here?

Paddy Cow · 23-11-2019 02:25AM

Firblog wrote: »

Heard on newstalk today that a six year old boy from Zimbabwe arrived in dublin airport (on a plane) to join his mother who is resident in a direct provision facility seeking asylum.

Question: Should airlines be fined for bringing people to Ireland who have no visa / legal right to enter the country?

How else did you expect him to join her? Take his chances in a shipping container? It's a six year old ffs. Whether or not the mother has a legitimate claim will be decided later but I can't get outraged at a young child being reunited with his mother.

ILoveYourVibes · 23-11-2019 02:27AM

Well its better than them drowning at sea.

Montage of Feck · 23-11-2019 02:31AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Well its better than them drowning at sea.

Not if your a cold hearted cynical bollocks. But anyway isn't Zimbabwe a landlocked country?

un5byh7sqpd2x0 · 23-11-2019 02:34AM

Firblog wrote: »

Question: Should airlines be fined for bringing people to Ireland who have no visa / legal right to enter the country?

They already are

23-11-2019 07:09AM

Paddy Cow wrote: »

How else did you expect him to join her? Take his chances in a shipping container? It's a six year old ffs. Whether or not the mother has a legitimate claim will be decided later but I can't get outraged at a young child being reunited with his mother.

I'd expect him to not come over at all until her application was processed and approved. Will the father be joining them next, and perhaps her elderly grandparents who need the mothers care?

Having a child here will affect her application because of the inherent sympathy given to mothers and children. I'm not exactly outraged but I can't help thinking it's a rather calculated move to influence the decision.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 23-11-2019 08:01AM

No prob with immigrants being taken in here but only when the government gets its ducks in a row with the crisis here first. It’s beyond barbaric that people are eating their dinner on the street, and families sleeping in one room, and people arriving off planes and given houses. Now I know people will argue that it’s a different pot that pays for each, but in my view it’s all the same. Give people asylum in their own country first, ffs. People have basic human rights in regards to food and shelter. And the country they’re resident in should be assisting the vulnerable it has before bringing more vulnerable people in and prioritizing them over everyone else.

Das Reich · 23-11-2019 08:12AM

They expelled the European population there years ago and then they started to emigrate to Europe, same things happened in other countries.

AlekSmart · 23-11-2019 08:31AM

Das Reich wrote: »

They expelled the European population there years ago and then they started to emigrate to Europe, same things happened in other countries.

Expelled the Europeans,but still not averse to the €'s....

https://www.irishaid.ie/what-we-do/countries-where-we-work/othercountries/zimbabwe/

€5,000,000 per anum,going forward Ted....;)

SafeSurfer · 23-11-2019 11:13AM

I don’t see the problem here. Sure didn’t Irish children fly to New York to join their mothers during the Irish famine. The conditions on the ships were atrocious apparently.

ArchXStanton · 23-11-2019 11:55AM

Ava Melted Wheelbarrow wrote: »

No prob with immigrants being taken in here but only when the government gets its ducks in a row with the crisis here first. It’s beyond barbaric that people are eating their dinner on the street, and families sleeping in one room, and people arriving off planes and given houses. Now I know people will argue that it’s a different pot that pays for each, but in my view it’s all the same. Give people asylum in their own country first, ffs. People have basic human rights in regards to food and shelter. And the country they’re resident in should be assisting the vulnerable it has before bringing more vulnerable people in and prioritizing them over everyone else.

That social contract between government and its people seems to have died a long time ago here

TheValeyard · 23-11-2019 12:08PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

There's no direct flights from Zimbabwe to Ireland, how did he get here?

His mother was speaking to Newstalk. She arranged for him to be smuggled into the country.

Sonny noggs · 23-11-2019 12:10PM

Return to sender.

Beechwoodspark · 23-11-2019 12:10PM

If genuine then grant them

If turned down then back with them

I’m all for a working asy system so both options need to be on the table

biko · 23-11-2019 12:16PM

Source
https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/highlights-from-newstalk-breakfast/six-year-son-smuggled-zimbabwe-ireland

An asylum seeker who is living in direct provision here has told Newstalk that her six-year-old son was smuggled into Ireland three weeks ago.

The Zimbabwean woman, who has been in Ireland for over a year, had to flee her home country because her life was in danger. However she had to leave her on behind with her aunt.

She says she warned her aunt not to send her son to Ireland with a people smuggler; as it's dangerous and expensive.

But she says she received a phone call from social services at Dublin airport just over three weeks ago telling her that a young boy was there claiming to be her son.

Firblog · 23-11-2019 12:23PM

Paddy Cow wrote: »

I can't get outraged at a young child being reunited with his mother.

Who mentioned being outraged?

I expressed no opinion on the asylum/immigration process in the country, I'm just looking at airlines making money from flying people in who have no right to be in the country - just used this most recent example to highlight the issue - and think that they should get very large fine for doing so, one large enough that they'll ensure that all their passengers have visas / right to travel to Ireland in future.

Salary Negotiator · 23-11-2019 12:23PM

TheValeyard wrote: »

His mother was speaking to Newstalk. She arranged for him to be smuggled into the country.

No, she had to leave Zimbabwe because of some unknown threat to her life. So she left her child with an aunt despite the same threat to his life and left instructions not to try and smuggle him into Ireland.

Then unbeknownst to her the aunt snuggled the child into Ireland anyway despite her wishes.

Seems the mother couldn’t stay in Zimbabwe because of the threat to her life but she was happy to leave her child there despite the same threat to his life.

It’s just a big misunderstanding between the aunt and the mother.

23-11-2019 12:41PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I don’t see the problem here. Sure didn’t Irish children fly to New York to join their mothers during the Irish famine. The conditions on the ships were atrocious apparently.

I suspect the air hostesses, and the airline made the kid quite comfortable. And sure, the Irish are going to make sure the kid is comfortable on arrival, and thereafter. We'll shame everyone else who treated the Irish badly (or didn't care in the slightest) when they emigrated! Aren't there rules against kids flying unaccompanied?

23-11-2019 12:44PM

Ava Melted Wheelbarrow wrote: »

No prob with immigrants being taken in here but only when the government gets its ducks in a row with the crisis here first. It’s beyond barbaric that people are eating their dinner on the street, and families sleeping in one room, and people arriving off planes and given houses. Now I know people will argue that it’s a different pot that pays for each, but in my view it’s all the same. Give people asylum in their own country first, ffs. People have basic human rights in regards to food and shelter. And the country they’re resident in should be assisting the vulnerable it has before bringing more vulnerable people in and prioritizing them over everyone else.

Some people are actually CHOOSING to eat on the streets rather than buy the food and cook it in their own homes.

Wibbs · 23-11-2019 12:44PM

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

No, she had to leave Zimbabwe because of some unknown threat to her life. So she left her child with an aunt despite the same threat to his life and left instructions not to try and smuggle him into Ireland.

Then unbeknownst to her the aunt snuggled the child into Ireland anyway despite her wishes.

Seems the mother couldn’t stay in Zimbabwe because of the threat to her life but she was happy to leave her child there despite the same threat to his life.

It’s just a big misunderstanding between the aunt and the mother.

AKA the usual freeloading Irish passport seeking bastards spouting the usual bullsh1t. Going on the "threat to life" stuff, Lagos in the late nineties and early noughties must have made the Somme in 1916 look like a teddy bear's picnic...

_Brian · 23-11-2019 12:46PM

The asylum problem is an Irish one where decisions are too slow.

Make decisions, allow genuine cases to stay and send those without a case back.

23-11-2019 12:50PM

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

No, she had to leave Zimbabwe because of some unknown threat to her life. So she left her child with an aunt despite the same threat to his life and left instructions not to try and smuggle him into Ireland.

Seems the mother couldn’t stay in Zimbabwe because of the threat to her life but she was happy to leave her child there despite the same threat to his life.
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I don't see any mention of a threat to the child's life or what the actual threat was. No mention of a father either, which I must admit to finding curious. The child's life isn't in danger, he just joined the mother during her application process.

Send the kid home (at the mothers expense) until the mothers application is decided. The kid can stay with the father or aunt, or a dozen other relatives she's likely to have... it's worth remembering that African families tend to be rather large and have extended familial contacts.

I still don't see why the State has to support the kid while he's here, or why he's been allowed to stay.

Jamie2k9 · 23-11-2019 12:56PM

You know it's racist to discuss this. This child and mother are our future doctor and engineers......

Salary Negotiator · 23-11-2019 12:58PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don't see any mention of a threat to the child's life or what the actual threat was. No mention of a father either, which I must admit to finding curious. The child's life isn't in danger, he just joined the mother during her application process.

Send the kid home (at the mothers expense) until the mothers application is decided. The kid can stay with the father or aunt, or a dozen other relatives she's likely to have... it's worth remembering that African families tend to be rather large and have extended familial contacts.

I still don't see why the State has to support the kid while he's here, or why he's been allowed to stay.

I heard her speak on Newstalk, she definitely said his life was at risk. And it was the same as the risk to her life but there was no mention of what the threat actually is. No mention of the father’s circumstances either.

All in all I didn’t find her to be all that convincing.

Jamie2k9 · 23-11-2019 12:59PM

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

I heard her speak on Newstalk, she definitely said his life was at risk. And it was the same as the risk to her life but there was no mention of what the threat actually is. No mention of the father’s circumstances either.

All in all I didn’t find her to be all that convincing.

Well what else would you expect her to say. Just like she knew full well he was coming.

Oasis1974 · 23-11-2019 01:01PM

Hope he wasn't put in the undercarriage?

flying in asylum seekers

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