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Champions Cup 2019/20 - Round 2

  • 20-11-2019 8:58am
    #1
    Burkie1203
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    Fri 22
    Ulster v Clermont


    Sat 23 Nov. 2019
    Saracens v Ospreys
    Benetton v Northampton
    Toulouse v Connacht
    Lyon v Leinster
    Exeter v Glasgow
    Munster v Racing
    Harlequins v Bath


    Sun 24 Nov. 2019
    Sale v La Rochelle
    Montpellier v Gloucester



    Some huge fixtures this week, going to go for
    Clermont
    Sarries
    Benetton
    Toulouse
    Leinster
    Exeter
    Racing
    Harlequins
    Sale
    Montpellier


    Big week for Saracens and their team selection could still be mixed if they decide to chuck Europe. TBP point win essential. An intriguing game in store.


    Ulster v Clermont the pick of the weekend for me. Cracking way to start the weekend

    If Connacht get anything out of Toulouse it will be a great result.


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  • #2
    [Deleted User]
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    It's a great weekend of rugby. Lots of important fixtures.

    Given the advantage of a home quarter / semi I think anything less than a win for Ulster or Munster really reduces their chances of winning the whole thing.

    Similarly for Leinster and Connacht but as they're away they can afford a slip up and still make the top 2.

    I think Sarries will throw the pool as much as possible. They are in a relegation battle, the last thing they'll want is additional games. At best they'll use it for player development.

    If Leinster win in Lyon and Northampton lose in Italy then I think we've the pool sown up.

    Lots of quality line ups. Can't wait.


  • #3
    Burkie1203
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It's a great weekend of rugby. Lots of important fixtures.

    Given the advantage of a home quarter / semi I think anything less than a win for Ulster or Munster really reduces their chances of winning the whole thing.

    Similarly for Leinster and Connacht but as they're away they can afford a slip up and still make the top 2.

    I think Sarries will throw the pool as much as possible. They are in a relegation battle, the last thing they'll want is additional games. At best they'll use it for player development.

    If Leinster win in Lyon and Northampton lose in Italy then I think we've the pool sown up.

    Lots of quality line ups. Can't wait.


    Think Sarries have got lucky with fixtures. A TBP opportunity v Ospreys is far more agreeable then a game v Munster right now.

    They likely would have lost away to R92 anyway. So TBP v Ospreys and then go for it v Munster x2. They can basically give it 2 games full tilt and if out of the running then focus on GP.

    3 euro games and 1 GP game (Bath away) in next 4 weeks. They need to give England players gametime to get them upto speed too. Can see them making the call on Europe after Munster x 2. If Munster can trade out of that 6-5 points wise (or better) then Sarries are done


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    [Deleted User]
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    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    Think Sarries have got lucky with fixtures. A TBP opportunity v Ospreys is far more agreeable then a game v Munster right now.

    They likely would have lost away to R92 anyway. So TBP v Ospreys and then go for it v Munster x2. They can basically give it 2 games full tilt and if out of the running then focus on GP.

    3 euro games and 1 GP game (Bath away) in next 4 weeks. They need to give England players gametime to get them upto speed too. Can see them making the call on Europe after Munster x 2. If Munster can trade out of that 6-5 points wise (or better) then Sarries are done

    I think Sarries will put reasonably strong teams out at home and send the kids on the road.

    Relegation is a genuinely serious risk, every fixture is a proper battle from now until the end of the season. I can't see any situation where they'll want to have to play a quarter / semi / final especially as such a chunk of their team is already recovering from a world cup.

    Sarries right now will be hoping that they don't start losing some of their big names, they'll want to be out of relegation risk as soon as is humanly possible as the risk of demotion will impact their recruitment.

    Best case scenario, they hold onto most of their names - manage to stay in the Prem and fight their way back into Europe season after next.

    Munster & Racing the big beneficiaries of this ruling from a Heineken cup perspective, but it also means that top 2 is more open generally.


  • #5
    Digifriendly
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    Harlequins vs Bath, Sale vs La Rochelle and Montpellier vs Gloucester all must win games for each side. Defeat would surely put a realistic end to qualifying from their respective pools. Anyone think Benetton could turn over Northampton at home?


  • #6
    Burkie1203
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    Digifriendly wrote: »
    Benetton could turn over Northampton at home?


    I think they will


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  • #7
    cameramonkey
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    Digifriendly wrote: »
    Harlequins vs Bath, Sale vs La Rochelle and Montpellier vs Gloucester all must win games for each side. Defeat would surely put a realistic end to qualifying from their respective pools. Anyone think Benetton could turn over Northampton at home?


    Just looking at the Northampton fans forum and they are saying that they should rest a few players against Benetton. I dont think they realise what a tough match it will be. I think if they underestimate Benetton they may be in for a shock.


  • #8
    Bridge93
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    Cooney has butchered that


  • #9
    Faugheen
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    Scrappy as hell here. Awful so far.


  • #10
    Squidgy Black
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    A single carry for Clermont in the first 12 minutes is an insane stat.


  • #11
    gooch2k9
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    Jesus Ferris is hard to listen to!


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  • #12
    Squidgy Black
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    Addison was criminally slow there.


  • #13
    Clegg
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    Great from Raka, but Ulster's defending was shocking. Stockdale just fell off him. He's lucky that wasn't a try as it was a crap attempt.

    Ludik and Addison were awful there too.


  • #14
    clsmooth
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    Got away with that one. Haven’t been too impressed with Ludik. Addison a bit hit and miss so far


  • #15
    ScrubsfanChris
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    Clegg wrote: »
    Great from Raka, but Ulster's defending was shocking. Stockdale just fell off him. He's lucky that wasn't a try as it was a crap attempt.

    Ludik and Addison were awful there too.
    Pretty sure Stockdale pulled out of that, otherwise he would have been penalised for taken someone without the ball.


  • #16
    razorblunt
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    Ferris is tough to listen to, should really be sitting in the stands with the rest of the fans.


  • #17
    razorblunt
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    Addison could be in trouble. Poor technique didn’t even look at the tackle.


  • #18
    Bridge93
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    Very lucky bloke Addison


  • #19
    2smiggy
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    Why not have a look at that. Strange to say the least


  • #20
    Faugheen
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    TMO has got that one very wrong there I think.


  • #21
    Bridge93
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    Ugo Monye has to be one of the worst in the business


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  • #22
    171170
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    Bridge93 wrote: »
    Ugo Monye has to be one of the worst in the business

    Up there with both Ferris and JP Doyle on tonight's performance.

    Three crooked throws by Ulster without a peep then he penalises Clermont for one when the crowd tells him to. Makes Jaco Peyper look competent.


  • #23
    razorblunt
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    Marcel Coetzee is the best 8 in European rugby? Behave yourself, Ferris.


  • #24
    ScrubsfanChris
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    To miss touch once is awful, to do it twice is inexcusable


  • #25
    testtech05
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    ScrubsfanChris wrote: »
    To miss touch once is awful, to do it twice is inexcusable

    Was it Cooney both times??


  • #26
    Chris871
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    this is a dreadful game of rugby, error after error.


  • #27
    testtech05
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    Chris871 wrote: »
    this is a dreadful game of rugby, error after error.

    Conditions are very bad but some of the errors are unforgivable stuff


  • #28
    Chris871
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    testtech05 wrote: »
    Conditions are very bad but some of the errors are unforgivable stuff

    Yeah handling wise, but three missed touches between them is awful stuff too


  • #29
    razorblunt
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    Bit of an awkward shoehorning in of Nevin Spence there by the comms.


  • #30
    ScrubsfanChris
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    I thaught if a penalty try is awarded a card has to be given? He also gave Ulster a final warning.


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  • #31
    Squidgy Black
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    razorblunt wrote: »
    Bit of an awkward shoehorning in of Nevin Spence there by the comms.

    Ferris sounded a bit uncomfortable about it in fairness to him, was a strange thing to throw in by Eykyn considering it was just out of the blue.


  • #32
    sydthebeat
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    Chris871 wrote: »
    this is a dreadful game of rugby, error after error.

    If might be error strewn, but I'm really enjoying watching it.

    You cab visibly see the clermont lads mental break down and not want to be there.


  • #33
    testtech05
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    Ulster lucky not to have had a yellow.
    Hopefully they can close it out now


  • #34
    The Lost Sheep
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    ScrubsfanChris wrote: »
    I thaught if a penalty try is awarded a card has to be given? He also gave Ulster a final warning.
    never been the case you have to give a card if you award a penalty try.


  • #35
    Squidgy Black
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    That's an outstanding steal at the lineout


  • #36
    whatawaster
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    Brain dead from Treadwell


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  • #37
    ScrubsfanChris
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    never been the case you have to give a card if you award a penalty try.
    Scoring 8.3
    A penalty try is awarded between the goal posts if foul play by the opposing team prevents a probable try from being scored, or scored in a more advantageous position. A player guilty of this must be cautioned and temporarily suspended or sent off. No conversion is attempted.

    You were saying?


  • #38
    171170
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    As Ugo rightly said, that was an utterly forgettable game. Hopefully I'll have forgotten it by this time tomorrow.

    Meanwhile, a 14 man Scarlets are hanging on grimly in Toulon 16 - 10 with 5 to go.

    And Toulon score a try in the 89th minute! converted in the 90th! 17 - 16, FT.


  • #39
    The Lost Sheep
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    ScrubsfanChris wrote: »
    Scoring 8.3
    A penalty try is awarded between the goal posts if foul play by the opposing team prevents a probable try from being scored, or scored in a more advantageous position. A player guilty of this must be cautioned and temporarily suspended or sent off. No conversion is attempted.

    You were saying?
    in practical terms though. Lots things in law are acted upon very differently.


  • #40
    ScrubsfanChris
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    in practical terms though. Lots things in law are acted upon very differently.
    Very vague way of saying you were mistaken ;)


  • #41
    The Lost Sheep
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    ScrubsfanChris wrote: »
    Very vague way of saying you were mistaken ;)
    its not. Happens quite a bit that player isnt binned


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  • #42
    ScrubsfanChris
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    its not. Happens quite a bit that player isnt binned
    The wording says "must" not might or maybe.

    Maybe in the past, but it's the first time I've not seen one given since the law was changed. You also said "it's never been the case", which is clearly wrong. It happened as recently as Irelands RWC quarter final.


  • #43
    thomond2006
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    Ospreys had a decent start but have faded. Saracens with a try on the board.


  • #44
    thomond2006
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    Try #2.

    Tá an TBP ag teacht.


  • #45
    thomond2006
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    Benetton leading 20-8. Great to see them back up their Pro14 form last year.


  • #46
    LuckyGent88
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    22-8 to Treviso who have 3 tries already. Northampton underestimated them by the looks of things


  • #47
    Tigerandahalf
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    No Connacht Tolouse game on Now tv today. Disappointing to be paying for a service and then a game on bt extra isn't included. Not good enough. No wonder people use the dodgy boxes.


  • #48
    razorblunt
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    LuckyGent88 wrote: »
    22-8 to Treviso who have 3 tries already. Northampton underestimated them by the looks of things

    You hate to see it!


  • #49
    prawnsambo
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    razorblunt wrote: »
    You hate to see it!
    Northampton got a try at the death of the first half. 25-15 now.


  • #50
    jr86
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    The Ospreys are an absolute shambles.

    Sarries first team would probably put 80 on them here

    They'll probably put out a full strength and beat Munster next time out and then weigh up the lay of the land

    It'll be a handy BP for them in Wales too even with the reserve side.


  • #51
    razorblunt
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    Commentators for Benetton underestimating them too. Based purely on their European form it seems, they’ve obviously never watched them in the Pro 14.


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