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NBP part II

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  • #1172
    allanpkr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭allanpkr


    Gonzo wrote: »
    Many of the wisps are decent companies trying to offer a solution to those who have nothing, however the service many of them provide fall way below what is acceptable today. This causes them to have poor reviews and generally not many recommendations. This can't stay like this forever. If the NBP goes for a fully fiber solution then the wisps can start offering their service on this future proofed and reliable network.

    Looks at Airwire, they started off as a wisp only service. They now offer their service through Siro and OpenEir and it would be very difficult to find a negative post about them here on boards because they have future proofed their business and provide a genuine great service to those who can get it. Hopefully many more rural areas can avail of services like theirs over the next few years if the NBP goes the correct way. There is nothing really preventing other wisp business from doing the same.

    There is really only one very large wireless operator in this country that do pull off some serious cowboy practices and tricks who I have absolutely no time for.

    good to hear another wisp apart from westnet, that has good reviews i hope to hear about more,i hope so anyhow.


  • #1173
    heavydawson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,233 ✭✭✭heavydawson


    allanpkr wrote: »
    good to hear another wisp apart from westnet, that has good reviews i hope to hear about more,i hope so anyhow.

    I've been with Nova for a couple of years. Very happy with them. Service can slow down, but rarely to single digit Mbps


  • #1174
    allanpkr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭allanpkr


    heavydawson wrote: »
    I've been with Nova for a couple of years. Very happy with them. Service can slow down, but rarely to single digit Mbps

    ok 3 so far
    westnet.......airwire.........nova
    come on guys let us know of wisps , that give service it advertises, good service when it goes off air.

    must be more ...but be honest. im sure there are more out there.
    just a small point westnet was not contesting nbp , accepts fibre is future.


  • #1175
    celticbhoy27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 887 ✭✭✭celticbhoy27


    allanpkr wrote: »
    ok 3 so far
    westnet.......airwire.........nova
    come on guys let us know of wisps , that give service it advertises, good service when it goes off air.

    must be more ...but be honest. im sure there are more out there.
    just a small point westnet was not contesting nbp , accepts fibre is future.

    Let's not derail the thread. Keep it nbp related


  • #1176
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Gonzo wrote: »
    If Wisps were to get part of the NBP contract then the past 8 years have been for nothing and some rural areas will be left behind forever.

    Fibre is the only way. It's the only technology that works. It's the only technology that is future proofed. I've rarely seen a positive post from a Wisp customer here in the past 10 years. There are too many problems distance from mast, interference, line of sight, contention the list goes on.

    They promise a Ferrari but at the end of the day many end up with a bicycle. I'm not against Wisp business's but they can adapt like Airwire and a few others and start offering FTTH services to keep their business relevant and future proofed. The sooner we can get rid of wireless services, dongles and satellite broadband the better.

    It's not about them getting part of the contract. It's about killing the project. The fact is that if the NBP goes ahead the vast majority of WISPs are likely to go out of business over time. It's all well and good saying they can adapt but how can small local businesses compete with eir, Vodafone, Virgin, Sky etc.


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  • #1177
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,081 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Emmanuel Lemon Louse wrote: »
    It's not about them getting part of the contract. It's about killing the project. The fact is that if the NBP goes ahead the vast majority of WISPs are likely to go out of business over time. It's all well and good saying they can adapt but how can small local businesses compete with eir, Vodafone, Virgin, Sky etc.

    If they pay the same access charges as the larger companies then yes of course they can compete.


  • #1178
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    If they pay the same access charges as the larger companies then yes of course they can compete.

    They can try. Why do you think they are protesting? Here is the reality from a guy who runs a WISP in Wexford. He also appeared before the Communications Committee.

    https://twitter.com/75sully01/status/1153928282137645056

    https://twitter.com/75sully01/status/1154666604174761984


  • #1179
    BArra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭BArra


    heavydawson wrote: »
    I've been with Nova for a couple of years. Very happy with them. Service can slow down, but rarely to single digit Mbps

    also on Nova wireless, goes into low single digits every evening, every evening. its usable during the daytime though. :rolleyes:


  • #1180
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,081 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Emmanuel Lemon Louse wrote: »
    They can try. Why do you think they are protesting? Here is the reality from a guy who runs a WISP in Wexford. He also appeared before the Communications Committee.

    I am unsure of the point you are making ..... if other ISPs pay the same access charges then there is a level playing field for the provision of fibre services.


  • #1181
    allanpkr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭allanpkr


    celticbhoy27 wrote: »
    Let's not derail the thread. Keep it nbp related

    it is nbp related, the good wisps adapt and now offer fibre
    the bad run wisps dont adapt just expect customers to put up with shoddy service.
    so a list of good wisps will allow people to see what wisps they can use when ftth comes.


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  • #1182
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    I am unsure of the point you are making ..... if other ISPs pay the same access charges then there is a level playing field for the provision of fibre services.

    Yes, there is a level playing field for fibre provision but the larger providers have larger marketing budgets, they can employ door to door sales staff, they have bundles with mobile and TV. All this means that smaller providers will gradually be squeezed out of the market. 85% of connections on the open eir rural FTTH network are eir retail.

    The quote from the Business Post article is telling:

    "One operator said they would not be forced out of business by the plan and would fight to have premises they serve removed from the NBP."

    I'm not sure how this is hard to grasp.


  • #1183
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    allanpkr wrote: »
    it is nbp related, the good wisps adapt and now offer fibre
    the bad run wisps dont adapt just expect customers to put up with shoddy service.
    so a list of good wisps will allow people to see what wisps they can use when ftth comes.

    Except your so-called "good" WISPs are also protesting and want premises removed from the NBP.


  • #1184
    allanpkr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭allanpkr


    Emmanuel Lemon Louse wrote: »
    Except your so-called "good" WISPs are also protesting and want premises removed from the NBP.

    your last point ,i dont get . if you have ftth then you can use any supplier you wish i.e virgin eir, or any other?? so if these good wisps have fibre broadband customers always have a choi ce


  • #1185
    allanpkr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭allanpkr


    Emmanuel Lemon Louse wrote: »
    Yes, there is a level playing field for fibre provision but the larger providers have larger marketing budgets, they can employ door to door sales staff, they have bundles with mobile and TV. All this means that smaller providers will gradually be squeezed out of the market. 85% of connections on the open eir rural FTTH network are eir retail.

    The quote from the Business Post article is telling:

    "One operator said they would not be forced out of business by the plan and would fight to have premises they serve removed from the NBP."

    I'm not sure how this is hard to grasp.

    well explain then, are you saying the smaller fibre suppliers, should be given preferential treatment, or should fibre broadband be open to any supplier?


  • #1186
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    allanpkr wrote: »
    well explain then, are you saying the smaller fibre suppliers, should be given preferential treatment, or should fibre broadband be open to any supplier?

    Work it out for yourself. You're in the process of destroying the thread with your constant gibberish.


  • #1187
    allanpkr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭allanpkr


    Emmanuel Lemon Louse wrote: »
    Work it out for yourself. You're in the process of destroying the thread with your constant gibberish.

    so what your actually saying is you cant explain your own point , cause you actually dont think it should not be a level playing field ,you think smaller fibre suppliers should be treated differently.
    btw on your personal attack , im not destroying any thread , i dont have that power , not even close.
    but i do question something i dont get . especially when the quote i read is wrong .
    if you dont agree with me fine , thats good . but personal attack weakens your point of view.


  • #1188
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,081 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Emmanuel Lemon Louse wrote: »
    Yes, there is a level playing field for fibre provision but the larger providers have larger marketing budgets, they can employ door to door sales staff, they have bundles with mobile and TV. All this means that smaller providers will gradually be squeezed out of the market. 85% of connections on the open eir rural FTTH network are eir retail.

    Yes they have larger budgets, and larger overheads to pay etc etc.
    Small business compete with larger ones every day in lots of markets.
    You have not explained why this 'fibre' market is all that different, that the smaller operators should fail.

    In fact they might have an advantage over a lot of the competition, as being 'local' they might get preference from customers ...... always of course on the basis that these are trustworthy and honest providers who give a service their existing customers appreciate.

    You are well aware of the main reason that eir scooped up the vast majority of the initial connections to the fibre.
    The change in the cost of switching provider means they are likely to retain a lot more of those customers than they would otherwise.
    The quote from the Business Post article is telling:

    "One operator said they would not be forced out of business by the plan and would fight to have premises they serve removed from the NBP."

    I'm not sure how this is hard to grasp.

    That quote is not hard to grasp at all ..... just another body wanting to protect their own little patch from competition.
    They were happy to be in an almost monopoly position, so now rail against any infringement on that monopoly.

    Whoever that was would be much better served if they put their energies into improving their own business so that it could compete with other providers on the fibre ... as well as having the option of the fixed wireless service for those not connected or not going to be for a long long time.


  • #1189
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    eir got the majority of initial connections because they aggressively sold it door to door. I've given the opinion of a WISP saying they will have no margin and customer loyalty goes out the window when the big boys come knocking. The very fact that a lot of them are now protesting shows this to be the case.

    I'm not defending them by the way. I'm just highlighting their position.


  • #1190
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Emmanuel Lemon Louse wrote: »
    eir got the majority of initial connections because they aggressively sold it door to door.

    They also offered free installation for the first nearly 2 years. While making a loss to their sister company at 270+vat on each of these connections.

    Smaller providers needed a fairly big warchest in place to do the same.

    Funny thing is, that other providers typically then picked those customers up without the cost of the installation (before pricing was changed), when Eirs pricing went up. Either way .. that's for another thread.

    /M


  • #1191
    allanpkr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭allanpkr


    Emmanuel Lemon Louse wrote: »
    eir got the majority of initial connections because they aggressively sold it door to door. I've given the opinion of a WISP saying they will have no margin and customer loyalty goes out the window when the big boys come knocking. The very fact that a lot of them are now protesting shows this to be the case.

    I'm not defending them by the way. I'm just highlighting their position.

    im not going against your point, but only to say in my position , iv been with westnet on fixed wireless and although when i get ftth , im sure eir, sky ,virgin will call its wdstnet for me everytime.


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  • #1192
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,081 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Emmanuel Lemon Louse wrote: »
    eir got the majority of initial connections because they aggressively sold it door to door. I've given the opinion of a WISP saying they will have no margin and customer loyalty goes out the window when the big boys come knocking. The very fact that a lot of them are now protesting shows this to be the case.

    I'm not defending them by the way. I'm just highlighting their position.

    I obviously interpret their protests differently .... so we will agree to disagree on this :)


  • #1193
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Confirmation that RISPA are behind the 137000 premises claim and that they are considering a possible legal challenge. Richard Bruton is denying any delays and that the plan will be brought before cabinet “some time before the end of the year”.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/bruton-denies-national-broadband-delay-1.4079759


  • #1194
    Orebro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭Orebro


    If the WISPs maintain they can supply broadband just as good as the NBP can, then shouldn’t they be able to carry on regardless? Forget accessing the NBP fibre and just use their already fantastic infrastructure and undercut the big boys like Sky and Vodafone? Why are they so worried about FTTH if their service is as good?


  • #1195
    KOR101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭KOR101


    Emmanuel Lemon Louse wrote: »
    Confirmation that RISPA are behind the 137000 premises claim and that they are considering a possible legal challenge. Richard Bruton is denying any delays and that the plan will be brought before cabinet “some time before the end of the year”.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/bruton-denies-national-broadband-delay-1.4079759
    I take that news as encouraging. It may depend on the grounds the EU use to reject their claim. I think it will be emphatic but I suppose it still goes to their lawyers.

    I think I was wrong before about a legal case being a delaying tactic if nothing else. I'm not sure they can prevent it starting.


  • #1196
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Orebro wrote: »
    If the WISPs maintain they can supply broadband just as good as the NBP can, then shouldn’t they be able to carry on regardless?

    Erhh .. they have ..

    Have you ever looked at the coverage for Net1, BBnet or Airwire on their Jet products ?

    That's been build in the last 2 years or so and is offerings of 50 Mbit/s and more.

    /M


  • #1197
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Marlow wrote: »
    Erhh .. they have ..

    Have you ever looked at the coverage for Net1, BBnet or Airwire on their Jet products ?

    That's been build in the last 2 years or so and is offerings of 50 Mbit/s and more.

    /M

    Again we've to take your word for that. I've seen no independent evidence about how those connections perform. No SamKnows data for example. In fact there was a complaint posted about one of those services in the past few months that seems to have been ignored.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111391572&postcount=62


    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111394485&postcount=64


  • #1198
    recyclebin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭recyclebin


    Emmanuel Lemon Louse wrote: »
    Yes, there is a level playing field for fibre provision but the larger providers have larger marketing budgets, they can employ door to door sales staff, they have bundles with mobile and TV. All this means that smaller providers will gradually be squeezed out of the market. 85% of connections on the open eir rural FTTH network are eir retail.

    The quote from the Business Post article is telling:

    "One operator said they would not be forced out of business by the plan and would fight to have premises they serve removed from the NBP."

    I'm not sure how this is hard to grasp.

    That's how technology works. Did anyone shed a tear for the film makers when the digital camera came along. Technology goes obsolete and businesses close. It's part of life. You either move with the times or die. You shouldn't try block progress for your own financial gains which is what Wisps are doing.


  • #1199
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    recyclebin wrote: »
    That's how technology works. Did anyone shed a tear for the film makers when the digital camera came along. Technology goes obsolete and businesses close. It's part of life. You either move with the times or die. You shouldn't try block progress for your own financial gains which is what Wisps are doing.

    As I said already, I am not defending them. I am highlighting the reasons for their complaints.


  • #1200
    Ultimanemo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Ultimanemo


    Marlow wrote: »
    Erhh .. they have ..

    Have you ever looked at the coverage for Net1, BBnet or Airwire on their Jet products ?

    That's been build in the last 2 years or so and is offerings of 50 Mbit/s and more.

    /M
    I know Airwire, their map shows my house is in their coverage for wireless up to 20 Mbps, when they came they said signal is so poor so they couldn't install, same for Lightnet came and failed, but my home is still marked as very well covered on the maps of both.


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  • #1201
    celticbhoy27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 887 ✭✭✭celticbhoy27


    Ultimanemo wrote: »
    I know Airwire, their map shows my house is in their coverage for wireless up to 20 Mbps, when they came they said signal is so poor so they couldn't install, same for Lightnet came and failed, but my home still marked as very well covered on the maps of both.

    Which is why wisps can't be considered as guaranteeing coverage in an intervention area


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