“Ireland has a rape culture”

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 06-11-2019 8:48pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Its accurate to label it a culture. But doing so directly isn't really the answer. If you want to change culture you do so subversively and without the opposition realizing what you are doing.

Firstly, how are you defining the word "culture"? Generally speaking?

Secondly, do you have the right to change a culture you disagree with? Again, generally speaking?

If you find yourself going back to this specific use of the word "culture" then it is most certainly NOT accurate to label it "culture".

Eric Cartman · 06-11-2019 8:49pm

OMM 0000 wrote: »

The most sickening thing about the current misandry culture is how it's more than tolerated - it's virtually applauded.

Imagine an advert with a young girl. She looks at the camera and says "No man is going to tell me what to do". We then see her doing a 100 M sprint and after the race she says "I'm the future, I'm number 1".

People would be saying how it's such a powerful advert, women are amazing, etc.

Now let's replay the advert, but with a boy.

He looks at the camera and says "No woman is going to tell me what to do". We then see him doing a 100 M sprint and after the race he says "I'm the future, I'm number 1".

It would probably be banned.

these kind of "if they did that the other way round" arguments arent the deal, its complete whataboutery, its the fact they don't do them that way is the real point. its not whether things would be banned/condemned etc... its that the corporate world, media etc... are so afraid that they wont promote men, say positive things about men, use white men in advertising, make films with white male characters, back white male politicians etc.... that should scare us.

El_Duderino 09 · 06-11-2019 8:58pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

these kind of "if they did that the other way round" arguments arent the deal, its complete whataboutery, its the fact they don't do them that way is the real point. its not whether things would be banned/condemned etc... its that the corporate world, media etc... are so afraid that they wont promote men, say positive things about men, use white men in advertising, make films with white male characters, back white male politicians etc.... that should scare us.

LOL. Are you saying you don't see men promoted, or see media say positive things about men, use white men in advertising, make films with white male characters, back white male politicians? Are you living in Zimbabwe or something? Cos I'm watching tv and I see all these things in a single ad break (except there was no politics in the ad break)

Do you not see these things or what? What's the story that you haven't seen films with white male characters (white male heros) for example?

Be honest, you’re making things up when you say you don’t see films with white men. Kinda exemplifies the kind of persecution fantasy the usual posters will like, but it’s detached from reality.

Justin Credible Darts · 07-11-2019 12:29am

OMM 0000 wrote: »

The most sickening thing about the current misandry culture is how it's more than tolerated - it's virtually applauded.

Imagine an advert with a young girl. She looks at the camera and says "No man is going to tell me what to do". We then see her doing a 100 M sprint and after the race she says "I'm the future, I'm number 1".

People would be saying how it's such a powerful advert, women are amazing, etc.

Now let's replay the advert, but with a boy.

He looks at the camera and says "No woman is going to tell me what to do". We then see him doing a 100 M sprint and after the race he says "I'm the future, I'm number 1".

It would probably be banned.

in much the same way its the same with race.

A black man can openly say he is black and proud, and he is commended for his pride in his culture.

You say you are white and proud and you will be thought of as a nazi or racist,

1800_Ladladlad · 07-11-2019 2:56am

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

You asked me a question?

Yes.

Question: a sentence worded or expressed so as to elicit information.

The question I asked relating to your juvenile and inflammatory statement which I know you are aware of. The question you seem to be so incapable of answering.

07-11-2019 3:08am

Deleted User wrote: »

If anybody actually thinks that Ireland has a rape culture, they are ****ing idiots and it would be best to ignore the stupid c*nts.

While I agree that they're idiots, I don't agree that they should be ignored. That's how these idiots gained so much influence for their ideas, and eventually they're accepted by official organisations because too few people are opposing them.

Retarded feminism needs to be stopped in it's tracks, and the double standards highlighted so that we move away from this biased society that's developing.

El_Duderino 09 · 07-11-2019 9:43am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

While I agree that they're idiots, I don't agree that they should be ignored. That's how these idiots gained so much influence for their ideas, and eventually they're accepted by official organisations because too few people are opposing them.

Retarded feminism needs to be stopped in it's tracks, and the double standards highlighted so that we move away from this biased society that's developing.

Watch all this talk of doing something go out the window when there's an opportunity to do so. In a couple of weeks it will be International Men's Day (November 19th, spread the word) and you'll see the same people who pretend to care about men and boys and all these issues, not giving a single solitary shyte about actually doing anything.

You'll see loads of the outspoken feminists on boards will highlight the day, mention some of the inspirational men in their lives and highlight the issues that IMD is aiming to highlight. And the posters who bang on about feminism all year round will be noticeably by their total lack of fcuks given.

The simple fact is that activism works. If you care about mens issues then focus on those issues. Opposing feminism is your prerogative but it will do nothing except make the fight about feminism louder.

I was going to start a thread on IMD anyway so I'll do it today and you can see the reaction for yourselves. I guarantee you the prominent feminists will support it. I can't say the same for the posters who go on and on and on and on and on about feminism. They usually don't give a shyte about men's issue. They just like the row about feminism.

Reviews and Books Galore · 07-11-2019 12:29pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Public transport is not particularly comfortable if it's full. If you think Other people should just endure it if you want to spread your legs into the space in from tog their seat. Then yes, I'd call that and unreasonable sense of entitlement.

And if you've managed to tie your self esteem into that unreasonable entitlement, then I think you've been foolish.

It's actually pretty funny that were discussing it as reasonable to expect other people to be happy about you spreading your legs on busy public transport. And if someone isn't happy about it they're being unreasonable and damaging your sense of yourself.

\Endure\, Entitled' You should really give the coolade a rest. men aren't these creatures that women have to endure and try and regulate their entitlement.

Reviews and Books Galore · 07-11-2019 12:32pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

LOL. Are you saying you don't see men promoted, or see media say positive things about men, use white men in advertising, make films with white male characters, back white male politicians? Are you living in Zimbabwe or something? Cos I'm watching tv and I see all these things in a single ad break (except there was no politics in the ad break)

Do you not see these things or what? What's the story that you haven't seen films with white male characters (white male heros) for example?

Be honest, you’re making things up when you say you don’t see films with white men. Kinda exemplifies the kind of persecution fantasy the usual posters will like, but it’s detached from reality.

Oh yes, the evil white men. :rolleyes:

El_Duderino 09 · 07-11-2019 12:33pm

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

\Endure\, Entitled' You should really give the coolade a rest. men aren't these creatures that women have to endure and try and regulate their entitlement.

Yeah OK, fair enough. If your sense of self is upset by people asking you to keep yourself to yourself on busy public transport, then there's no need for me to add to your problem.

El_Duderino 09 · 07-11-2019 12:44pm

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

Oh yes, the evil white men. :rolleyes:

I see loads of white men on tv. Good, bad and nuanced, heroes and villains and sometimes both at once.

I really don’t know what your watching if you don’t see men on tv. The sense of victimhood is getting a bit mad if you can seriously say you only see white hen as villains on tv. Maybe it says more about you than the tv.

I watched Dublin Murders on bbc last night with the mrs and most of the main characters were men. The good guys, the bad guys, one of the 2 heroes, the paternalistic boss and all were white. I see loads of men in the tv shows I watch.

Reviews and Books Galore · 07-11-2019 12:55pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I see loads of white men on tv. Good, bad and nuanced, heroes and villains and sometimes both at once.

I really don’t know what your watching if you don’t see men on tv. The sense of victimhood is getting a bit mad if you can seriously say you only see white hen as villains on tv. Maybe it says more about you than the tv.

I watched Dublin Murders on bbc last night with the mrs and most of the main characters were men. The good guys, the bad guys, one of the 2 heroes, the paternalistic boss and all were white. I see loads of men in the tv shows I watch.

Loads of men. Should be shot or replaced with evil rapists imo.

I watch/read alot of novels/tv shows by female writers and, imo, there is a predisposition to see men in actually quite a negative light. Kind of like a house dog or a wild dog.

Reviews and Books Galore · 07-11-2019 12:57pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yeah OK, fair enough. If your sense of self is upset by people asking you to keep yourself to yourself on busy public transport, then there's no need for me to add to your problem.

Maybe the people who are talking about manspreading keep themselves to themselves? It seems strange to make a big deal out of a man having the audacity to sit in a certain way.

As a sidenote, do you know that manspreading is seen as 87% more attractive by women than non-manspreading? Interesting correlation

El_Duderino 09 · 07-11-2019 12:57pm

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

Loads of men. Should be shot or replaced with evil rapists imo.

I watch/read alot of novels/tv shows by female writers and, imo, there is a predisposition to see men in actually quite a negative light. Kind of like a house dog or a wild dog.

Yeah that seems to be how you see men. I don't see men that way and I don't think that's how most people see men.

El_Duderino 09 · 07-11-2019 1:01pm

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

Maybe the people who are talking about manspreading keep themselves to themselves? It seems strange to make a big deal out of a man having the audacity to sit in a certain way.

As a sidenote, do you know that manspreading is seen as 87% more attractive by women than non-manspreading? Interesting correlation

Fascinating. Sounds like a totally legit stat too. I'll just swallow that one whole, no questions needed. Lol.

Reviews and Books Galore · 07-11-2019 1:11pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yeah that seems to be how you see men. I don't see men that way and I don't think that's how most people see men.

Did you just make the argument of 'I'm rubber, your glue' ?

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Fascinating. Sounds like a totally legit stat too. I'll just swallow that one whole, no questions needed. Lol.

Search it on google. Why in the world would I make up a study like that?

El_Duderino 09 · 07-11-2019 1:16pm

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

Did you just make the argument of 'I'm rubber, your glue' ?

No. You've said you see men on TV as bad guys. I said I see all kinds of men on TV and you said they should be replaced with rapists.

You seem determined to only see men as bad and dismiss positive portrayals of men.

07-11-2019 3:46pm

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

I watch/read alot of novels/tv shows by female writers and, imo, there is a predisposition to see men in actually quite a negative light. Kind of like a house dog or a wild dog.

Have you watched the new female Batman tv show? It's horrendous. The stereotypes are everywhere as is the very feminist mandate. The new Terminator movie is another good example. Or the next line of Marvel heroes. American TV and Hollywood has embraced the feminist ideology filling director/producer roles with females or men with "woke" attitudes. Every line and casting is a message that men are dangerous, foolish, or seeking to maintain a patriarchy. Twenty years ago, the scripts would never have passed a reading because they were so biased and sexist. Now? Go right ahead.

The media have latched on firmly to the idea that men are either dangerous, or incredibly stupid. It's one or the other. It's worth listing articles from media outlets over a two month period to see the disparity of articles released. There's a definite agenda to portray men as being inept as husbands or fathers.... and to show men as being threats to women either physically or to hold them back in society/workplace.

We live in a world that is deeply biased against men already.

07-11-2019 4:02pm

Deleted User wrote: »

We live in a world that is deeply biased against men already.

***grabs popcorn and waits for privilege to be checked***

07-11-2019 4:07pm

Deleted User wrote: »

***grabs popcorn and waits for privilege to be checked***

I'm fine with being hit for this.

I can list plenty of examples where females receive preferential treatment due to their gender in situations where there is no need for it.

Justin Credible Darts · 07-11-2019 4:36pm

you only have to look at how tv portray men in tv shows.

The simpsons, malcomn in the middle and other shows portray the woman as the sensible one, and the man the lovable idiot.
god forbid they show a man that is not only equally as smart , let alone a man who might be smarter.

The only men who are not treated like simpletons are the gay and black ones, out of fear someone might complain about homophobia or racism.

Marcos · 07-11-2019 4:44pm

Lewis_Benson wrote: »

What's a rape culture?

TLDR: RAINN (the US Rape Abuse and Incest National Network) doesn't believe it is a term that has any value.

IMO It's just a stick used by campus feminists and their fellow travellers to beat men with, and to get them to falsely believe that they are at fault for something they don't do or condone. I think the popular term used is gaslighting.

For more info see posts #227 and #785. I've quoted #785 below.

Even RAINN (the Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network in the United States) has repudiated the existence of "rape culture," writing to a White House task force on campus sexual violence that:

In the last few years, there has been an unfortunate trend towards blaming “rape culture” for the extensive problem of sexual violence on campus. While it is helpful to point out the systemic barriers to addressing the problem, it is important not to lose sight of a simple fact: Rape is caused not by cultural factors but by the conscious decisions, of a small percentage of the community, to commit a violent crime.

The notion of "rape culture" was invented by fringe campus feminists in the US so that they could implicate all men in the crimes of a few. Even though American feminists have successfully exported their well-funded ideology all over the world by this stage, that still doesn't give it any objective basis in actual reality.

Quote:
RAINN is especially critical of the idea that we need to focus on teaching men not to rape — the hallmark of rape-culture activism. Since rape exists because our culture condones and normalizes it, activists say, we can end the epidemic of sexual violence only by teaching boys not to rape.

No one would deny that we should teach boys to respect women. But by and large, this is already happening. By the time men reach college, RAINN explains, “most students have been exposed to 18 years of prevention messages, in one form or another.” The vast majority of men absorb these messages and view rape as the horrific crime that it is. So efforts to address rape need to focus on the very small portion of the population that “has proven itself immune to years of prevention messages.” They should not vilify the average guy.

By blaming so-called rape culture, we implicate all men in a social atrocity, trivialize the experiences of survivors, and deflect blame from the rapists truly responsible for sexual violence. RAINN explains that the trend of focusing on rape culture “has the paradoxical effect of making it harder to stop sexual violence, since it removes the focus from the individual at fault, and seemingly mitigates personal responsibility for his or her own actions.”
That should be the end of the argument there IMO. Unless there are further agendas at play here and this is just being used as a stick to beat men with.

El_Duderino 09 · 07-11-2019 4:46pm

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

you only have to look at how tv portray men in tv shows.

The simpsons, malcomn in the middle and other shows portray the woman as the sensible one, and the man the lovable idiot.
god forbid they show a man that is not only equally as smart , let alone a man who might be smarter.

The only men who are not treated like simpletons are the gay and black ones, out of fear someone might complain about homophobia or racism.

You’re missing a lot if you only see men on tv as simpletons. I see loads of complex Male characters on tv. Similar to Reviews.... is there any chance that you have some kind of hangup that means you only see male characters as simpletons?

OMM 0000 · 07-11-2019 4:54pm

Marcos wrote: »

TLDR: RAINN (the US Rape Abuse and Incest National Network) doesn't believe it is a term that has any value.

IMO It's just a stick used by campus feminists and their fellow travellers to beat men with, and to get them to falsely believe that they are at fault for something they don't do or condone. I think the popular term used is gaslighting.

For more info see posts #227 and #785. I've quoted #785 below.

Even RAINN (the Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network in the United States) has repudiated the existence of "rape culture," writing to a White House task force on campus sexual violence that:

Also, if you want people to take rape extra seriously, you shouldn't go around making up things about it, e.g. every man has a rapist inside him.

People aren't stupid, so they just stop listening when they hear **** like that. Only the extremists and immature fall for it.

07-11-2019 5:44pm

OMM 0000 wrote: »

People aren't stupid, so they just stop listening when they hear **** like that. Only the extremists and immature fall for it.

Oddly enough I can remember when people said the same thing about sexual harassment in the 'professional' workplace 15-20 years ago. We had a load of new laws to make the workplace safer (which it was), and the feminist supporters continued seeking changes. Now we have workplaces where men are afraid of being near a woman for fear that a comment will be misunderstood, or someone from HR will decide their private conversation with another male is somehow degrading to women. And the changes keep coming...

The same can be said about the area of sexual assault and abuse. Sure, common sense will prevail and people will know that not all men are rapists or assault women. It's only a tiny minority involved in such activities and surely, nobody will believe the need for more draconian measures...... Now, we have a society and media that emphases male aggression, constant talks about consent classes and other measures to alter male behavior. That's only a beginning because they'll realize that such measures won't work, and they'll seek increased preventative measures to protect females.

The thing is that individuals aren't stupid. "People" are stupid.... because most people just want to live their lives and aren't interested until such things directly affect them. That leaves the minority who are active within these causes to implement change practically unopposed.

The idea of rape culture is being used more often and, if left unopposed, will be accepted into mainstream society as a definite possibility, leading to more discourse that most people aren't involved in. It's the way western society has changed so much over the last twenty years. It's all madness, we should ignore it, and then we wake up with our lives being moderated by these ideas..

We already have it happening with victim shaming, virtue signalling, gender quotas and a host of other feminist induced nightmares that came out of US academia and have managed to insert themselves into international popular culture. In many cases, denial is seen as being anti-female, and shut down quickly. The mainstream media is a perfect example of this. It's no longer remaining among the radicals and internet users. It's quickly becoming a series of accepted notions that people dismiss until they're no longer allowed to dismiss it...

Reviews and Books Galore · 07-11-2019 8:48pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

You’re missing a lot if you only see men on tv as simpletons. I see loads of complex Male characters on tv. Similar to Reviews.... is there any chance that you have some kind of hangup that means you only see male characters as simpletons?

Another common argument. If you disagree with me you are weak.

Reviews and Books Galore · 07-11-2019 8:50pm

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Yes.

Question: a sentence worded or expressed so as to elicit information.

The question I asked relating to your juvenile and inflammatory statement which I know you are aware of. The question you seem to be so incapable of answering.

I have no idea. I thought you were el dude's re-reg tbh?

El_Duderino 09 · 07-11-2019 8:56pm

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

Another common argument. If you disagree with me you are weak.

I could pussyfoot around all evening. Your point is nonsense. There are loads of men on tv. Good, bad and, much more interesting, nuanced. Some of the regular posters will tell you’re you’re right and you’re definitely a massive victim because of your gender. But I’ll do you the favour of telling you the truth that you’re talking guff.

If you say can only see bad men on tv then you’re talking nonsense. If you can genuinely only see bad men on tv then you might have some odd views about men.

Justin Credible Darts · 07-11-2019 9:07pm

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

Another common argument. If you disagree with me you are weak.

notice how he stated as if it were some sort of fact how I had hang ups, for daring to have a different opinion ?

The very notion that his opinion and that is all it is could be in any way wrong has him belittle other posters

El_Duderino 09 · 07-11-2019 9:52pm

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

notice how he stated as if it were some sort of fact how I had hang ups, for daring to have a different opinion ?

The very notion that his opinion and that is all it is could be in any way wrong has him belittle other posters

I dare you to say you honestly agree with the poster you’re defending right now. They said they only see evil men on tv. I disagreed (because it’s objectively untrue). I dare you to defend the point they made and I dare you to say you disagree with the fact I pointed out -there are loads of good, bad and nuanced Male characters on tv.

Reviews and Books Galore · 07-11-2019 10:19pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I dare you to say you honestly agree with the poster you’re defending right now. They said they only see evil men on tv. I disagreed (because it’s objectively untrue). I dare you to defend the point they made and I dare you to say you disagree with the fact I pointed out -there are loads of good, bad and nuanced Male characters on tv.

You're overdramatising.

I have no idea what I said, but I am actually more talking about the phenomenon about female voices being given a platform (which is good) but it has led to female views that are misandrist/mysognist.

El_Duderino 09 · 07-11-2019 10:33pm

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

You're overdramatising.

I have no idea what I said, but I am actually more talking about the phenomenon about female voices being given a platform (which is good) but it has led to female views that are misandrist/mysognist.

Lol. I believe you don’t know what you said.

Here’s a recap:
I said I see plenty of Male characters of different types on tv. You replied

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

Oh yes, the evil white men. :rolleyes:

It was a pretty stupid thing to say whether you remember it or not.

Reviews and Books Galore · 08-11-2019 12:19am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Lol. I believe you don’t know what you said.

Here’s a recap:
I said I see plenty of Male characters of different types on tv. You replied

It was a pretty stupid thing to say whether you remember it or not.

You should qoute yourself in fairness as you were talking about white men in particular.

Also, stupid? Hardly the most hughbriw insult.

joeguevara · 08-11-2019 1:30am

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Never heard the rapist defence that she went back to his flat so therefore was willing? Her skirt was short and she was drunk, so therefore consent was implied? Never?

In cases were the law says it was rape we've seen leniency based on attitude. The kind of underwear, the rapists background etc.
The point is we treat rape differently to other crimes, that IMO, is what people are referring to when they say 'rape culture'.

Can you give any example of this leniency. It's often argued as a defence but I can't think of one case where it was used as a mitigant in sentencing where a person was found guilty of rape.

El_Duderino 09 · 08-11-2019 7:59am

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

You should qoute yourself in fairness as you were talking about white men in particular.

Also, stupid? Hardly the most hughbriw insult.

Look. You made a nonsense comment pretending you only see white men as evil on tv. It must be a bit embarrassing to have said it mostly because it encapsulates your attitude towards men on tv. It has absolutely no bearing on the reality of white men on tv who are numerous and portray lots of characteristics.

You said you only see them as evil characters. Do you stand by that comment, as a matter of interest?

Reviews and Books Galore · 08-11-2019 8:56am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Look. You made a nonsense comment pretending you only see white men as evil on tv. It must be a bit embarrassing to have said it mostly because it encapsulates your attitude towards men on tv. It has absolutely no bearing on the reality of white men on tv who are numerous and portray lots of characteristics.

You said you only see them as evil characters. Do you stand by that comment, as a matter of interest?

'Embarrassing', another bullying term.

silverharp · 08-11-2019 9:13am

It is fashionable to write husbands or dads as wimpy or buffoons if the focus is on the female character as has been happening in TV adverts for decades. There seems to be some kind of overcompensating inversion in the writing, like in order to have a so called strong empowered female character she has to be surrounded by incompetent males that need to be saved or just simply dominated. Im not even sure audiences want it?, seems to say more about physiological make up of writers these days?

Reviews and Books Galore · 08-11-2019 9:36am

silverharp wrote: »

It is fashionable to write husbands or dads as wimpy or buffoons if the focus is on the female character as has been happening in TV adverts for decades. There seems to be some kind of overcompensating inversion in the writing, like in order to have a so called strong empowered female character she has to be surrounded by incompetent males that need to be saved or just simply dominated. Im not even sure audiences want it?, seems to say more about physiological make up of writers these days?

Imo, it's a form of gaslighting/insecurity. As in, women make better caregivers, so men should be shown as bad caregivers. You can kind of see it in writing where men are heavily criticised for writing female characters vs women writing male characters.

Ironically, I know a lot of people who say men make better stay at home fathers/teachers becuase they are calmer, more relaxed and less detail orientated.

El_Duderino 09 · 08-11-2019 9:45am

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

'Embarrassing', another bullying term.

Yeah I imagine your comment is too embarrassing to stand over. Was it just something you said to disagree with me or did you actually think it was true? I suppose we’ll never know.

You really do seem to feel bullied. Bullied by me, bullied by tv shows only portraying men as evil. It’s all in your head, of course. If you’re trying to demonstrate a hyper-sensitive, persecution complex person, then you’re doing it pretty well.

If you’re serious about this stuff then you might need assistance.

08-11-2019 9:47am

silverharp wrote: »

It is fashionable to write husbands or dads as wimpy or buffoons if the focus is on the female character as has been happening in TV adverts for decades. There seems to be some kind of overcompensating inversion in the writing, like in order to have a so called strong empowered female character she has to be surrounded by incompetent males that need to be saved or just simply dominated. Im not even sure audiences want it?, seems to say more about physiological make up of writers these days?

I do cringe when I see the "diverse" profile on comedy panel shows ever since the BBC decided that they should never have an all male panel.

The edge has been taken off comedy on most television programmes and unless the jokes are at the expense of the "acceptable" target, everything has become sanitised and bland.

Thankfully, most people I meet in real life are against gender quotas, accept differences between men and women, are against toxic misandry, and most importantly do not believe Ireland has a rape culture.

There are of course the usual blue haired, self identifying pansexual, progressive types who shout about the patriarchy which the media seem to be bending over backwards to embrace.

Crazy times we live in.

Reviews and Books Galore · 08-11-2019 9:56am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yeah I imagine your comment is too embarrassing to stand over. Was it just something you said to disagree with me or did you actually think it was true? I suppose we’ll never know.

You really do seem to feel bullied. Bullied by me, bullied by tv shows only portraying men as evil. It’s all in your head, of course. If you’re trying to demonstrate a hyper-sensitive, persecution complex person, then you’re doing it pretty well.

If you’re serious about this stuff then you might need assistance.

Hmmmm, I think that's called 'projection'.

silverharp · 08-11-2019 10:02am

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

Imo, it's a form of gaslighting/insecurity. As in, women make better caregivers, so men should be shown as bad caregivers. You can kind of see it in writing where men are heavily criticised for writing female characters vs women writing male characters.

Ironically, I know a lot of people who say men make better stay at home fathers/teachers becuase they are calmer, more relaxed and less detail orientated.

The odd thing is that a lot of these writers are men, well male anyway, it’s a shame that they are getting paid to foist their daddy issues on the rest of us :pac:

El_Duderino 09 · 08-11-2019 10:07am

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

Hmmmm, I think that's called 'projection'.

Ok. This has become a bit sad to watch you say things and defend them while admitting you don't even remember what you said. It has left an impression of how you discuss things - say any old thing whether or not it has any basis in reality and defend it while not even remembering it.

Its cringe to watch. So have the last word and leave it at that.

Justin Credible Darts · 08-11-2019 11:26am

spin things however they like but this notion of Ireland having a rape culture is complete bullsh1t, spewed by a women who is obviously damaged and now sees all men as evil. Does she see her hudband or males kids, brothers etc as rapists too ?

I can understand why she might be bitter, hurt etc, maybe she needs help or seeks attention, but what sickens me is the simpletons who buy into that notion, and the media for promoting such rubbish.

to generalize that all men are somehow rapists is an attack on men, if some man said we had a whore culture amongst women, there would be uproar. for him labeling a whole gender, but the same pc do-gooders have no problem when all men are cast in a negative light.

OMM 0000 · 08-11-2019 11:38am

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

Does she see her hudband or males kids, brothers etc as rapists too ?

See what you did right there?

You thought through the issue for 5 seconds and could immediately see it doesn't make sense.

The people who think we live in a rape culture don't have those skills, so can't come to the correct conclusion.

We need to solve this using our education system. Focus more on critical thinking skills, identifying ideologies, identifying when you're being lied to, etc.

08-11-2019 11:40am

silverharp wrote: »

The odd thing is that a lot of these writers are men, well male anyway, it’s a shame that they are getting paid to foist their daddy issues on the rest of us :pac:

It's simple economics. They discovered early that strong male characters didn't match what the studios wanted. They're simply seeking a pay check rather than any true belief in their characters. It's one of the reasons that so few modern TV shows with such plots or characters go beyond one season... unless they catch the attention of a particular type of female.

Writers don't determine what shows are put on TV for viewing.

Reviews and Books Galore · 08-11-2019 11:46am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ok. This has become a bit sad to watch you say things and defend them while admitting you don't even remember what you said. It has left an impression of how you discuss things - say any old thing whether or not it has any basis in reality and defend it while not even remembering it.

Its cringe to watch. So have the last word and leave it at that.

'Sad' 'Cringe'

I'm a little bit suprised at how on the attack you are to be honest. Just take a step back and chillax or something.

Reviews and Books Galore · 08-11-2019 11:50am

OMM 0000 wrote: »

See what you did right there?

You thought through the issue for 5 seconds and could immediately see it doesn't make sense.

The people who think we live in a rape culture don't have those skills, so can't come to the correct conclusion.

We need to solve this using our education system. Focus more on critical thinking skills, identifying ideologies, identifying when you're being lied to, etc.

I honestly think they don't believe we actually live in a rape culture. It's just a way to regulate male behaviour imo.

OMM 0000 · 08-11-2019 12:45pm

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

I honestly think they don't believe we actually live in a rape culture. It's just a way to regulate male behaviour imo.

What do you think is their end goal?

Is there one?

biko · 08-11-2019 12:47pm

Unfortunately many feminists today aren't pro-women, they are anti-men.

“Ireland has a rape culture”

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