Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

Hal3000 wrote: »

Sorry to disappoint you, but pornography on tap is effecting the sexual encounters of young teens. If you asked any young teen if they’ve been sent or seen explicit material within the last 24 hours the answer will almost always be yes. If you think daily access to graphic material at a young age is not harmful ? And I do remember the 90s. I also remember not having the ability to chose whatever form or category of porn I wanted in the click of a button.,

Whilst I never believed in this violent movie, video games ideas there might be merit in some of this info. A study was done in Oz about what they are getting up to and it's scary. A 16 year has to wear a colostomy bag for life there a session was so rough. That never happened in my days in school in the 90's and we were no prudes.
https://www.news.com.au/news/boner-garage-posts-a-window-into-the-world-of-sexualised-young-women-online/story-fnstek7z-1227379060695

tuxy wrote: »

I've seen it happen in real life, in Ireland. But we don't know if it happened to Anna so should not speculate.

I wasn't speculation, I was quoting what another poster said.

Omackeral wrote: »

Just on this. Not sure if everyone here is aware of this but if a convicted person appeals a sentence, not only can it be reduced or left as is but it can actually be increased. It's a risky business for some people. I've seen instances of it. Obviously you'd appeal a life sentence as there's not a mark up possible on that ergo there can't be an increase.

B could be playing with fire though and maintaining innocence could be mitagating in either way.

It is reported that Boy B is appealing his conviction not his sentence. The result will be either he is found not guilty or the original conviction and sentence is upheld. There is no scope for altering his sentence if he only appeals the conviction.

Suckit wrote: »

The amount he has already put Ana's parents through, and still hasn't come clean. I believe if he wants to succesfully appeal, he will have to come up with a consistent believable story that he is able to back up somehow. If he continues to lie and not tell the truth about what actually happened, then I hope his sentence is extended by quite a lot.

An appeal is not a retrial. It only looks at the conduct of the trial and the judge.

Suckit wrote: »

It will still effect her family.
But he would still have to go over his story, no?
If not then I am mistaken. Not well versed on courts.

It is not a replaying of the facts of the case. To be honest i am struggling to think of any grounds he has for appeal. the conduct of the gardai and the legal people involved seemd to be impeccable.

Suckit wrote: »

Regarding the IT article that has a few psychologists not involved with the case commenting, and the one most quoted here (FBI) I don't believe Boy A was the dominant one, I think it was Boy B. I think he is more intelligent than Boy A and probably found it quite easy to manipulate him, which is what the CI5 profiler thought I believe. If he was genuinely afraid of Boy A, he has had over a year to come clean and distance himself from him. He has had a load of chances to ask for help etc. But he didn't.

I would agree on this. The view that Boy A was dominant over Boy B comes largely from Boy B's father's statements in the trial and the psychologist retained by the defense team who didn't give evidence before the jury. There were a number of other witnesses, school friends of the two boys, that gave evidence during the trial that painted a different picture of the relationship.

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

Many schools don't have canteens for a start

The school in question which I understand I'm precluded now from naming has a school canteen and a large one where meals are prepared.

It's quite shocking, if true, that Ana was bullied and alienated so much in school. It really makes the park bench erected in her memory an empty gesture.

Putting myself in her parents shoes, if my daughter had constant struggles like this in school and the community, no friends and then met this terrible demise I would utterly reject this belated and hollow show of support from the community.

It also makes me wonder who are the idiots beating up Boy B's brother and threatening family members of the perpetrators? Where were their "heroics" when the bullying was going on?

It really says a lot about the community there.

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Anas mother , Geraldine , has said in her statement that he got great support from friends and neighbours . Remember not every neighbour has teenage kids .
I know I would have no idea what was going on in the local Secondary school , its been 15 years since I had kids there . Not every person in the community is to blame for it

Fair enough, I was probably harsh in condemning the whole community. I know it's more complex, I think I worked myself up a bit too much. It's such an emotive subject, especially when you have daughters yourself.

Hal3000 wrote: »

The UK are still pressing ahead with it. We need new leaders here. Leaders who will focus on protecting children from extreme content, leaders who will make schools and principals accountable for bullying instead of letting schools say excuses like “ sorry our hands are tied and we can’t do anything “. We need leaders to sentence crimes especially against children harshly, we need leaders to stop letting people who view child abuse material walk away with suspended sentences, we need leaders who will address anti social behavior and have work programs for kids who engage in such. The youth today don’t know discipline and it’s clear they are now becoming more problematic than before. It time we as a country got our hands around these issues and stop sweeping them under the carpet by saying it rarely happens here etc etc.

We have left the era of the cane long behind us, TG. We are now in the era of the carrot approach. As for children's access to pornography its now an accepted part of children's lives. While a few generations ago kids swapped stamps and team player cards this is now all changed to the swapping of the "best" porn in class or the school yard. One kid bringing it to class will guarantee the whole class having it. Those without smartfones are being charged to view. I understand the going rate is €2 a view, so not having a smartfone is not a guarantee to prevent it. As for controlling access to it as being tried in UK. What I understand it is proving to be not successful. Kids get access to the their parents credit cards without them noticing and get to set up accounts that will give them access. We have to come to terms that kids as young as 8 & 9 are experienced porn viewers.



As for the place porn played in Ana's murder I do believe it played a small part as it sexualizes children young. But it was a combination of events coming together. The complete bullying of Ana at school was the more dominant factor. There is no evidence that viewing porn has led to increase in sex assaults not to mind murder. But what was the dominant factor here was the evil of Animal A and B getting together. Their evil combined in a mission to murder for a sexual trill with the belief they could get away with it with a very vulnerable kid. Gardai state these animals had not met between the murder and their taking of statements and they had got similar stories to cover their tracks. How to combat such evil is a whole other debate.

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Yeah, I posted similar at the time of the trial. What the lads did was simply a culmination of years of bullying and dehumanisation by a large number of people. The two boys may be the ones in jail, but there's a hell of a lot more people guilty to one degree or other.

Who specifically are you suggesting dehumanized these boys?

Bigbagofcans wrote: »

Ana was the one who was dehumanised by the relentless bullying and exclusion.

Yes I know that. The poster I was querying stated that the boys behaviour was as a result of years of dehumanizing behaviour. I want to know who the poster thinks dehumanized them.