Poll: Who would you vote for in the UK General Election

An Ciarraioch · 29-10-2019 10:14pm #1

For completeness, have included the five significant English parties, along with the alternatives in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

Harry Palmr · 29-10-2019 10:18pm

If I were there the Lib Dems assuming it did not allow the Tories a better chance of winning the seat.

Gringo180 · 29-10-2019 10:18pm

Labour. They seem to have, morally, the best man at the head of there party. I think more men like Corbyn in power would lead to a better and more fairer society for the average working man/woman.

liamtech · 29-10-2019 10:42pm

Gringo180 wrote: »

Labour. They seem to have, morally, the best man at the head of there party. I think more men like Corbyn in power would lead to a better and more fairer society for the average working man/woman.

He is utterly abysmal now - i say that as a leftie - he is squandering the opportunity of a life time to wipe out the tories - because at heart he is the labor party equivalent of Bill Cash - namely, a Brexiteer. The Labor parties brexit policy is farcical - honestly - a year or two more of dithering while Jeremy comes in and gets his deal - he wont do the honorable thing - either support remain whole heartedly - or stand aside an let someone like Hilary Benn take over - disaster

L1011 · 29-10-2019 10:57pm

It would be entirely dependent on the constituency. Where I briefly lived in the UK is an utter mess next time out:

* Strong- 72% - Remain constituency
* Tory safe seat, sitting Remain-supporting Tory retiring. No replacement candidate named
* Chuka Umunna running for the Lib Dems
* Labour selected candidate had to back out and the suggested list of replacement candidates includes Leavers

Only Labour have been within an asses roar of the Tories there, ever.

On that lineup... probably Lib Dems as he'd have the best chance; but it depends who Labour run. Preferential voting would change that.

ancapailldorcha · 29-10-2019 11:46pm

I'm in London, specifically a very safe Labour seat so it won't matter. I think this is a tad early as we don't know how Labour will campaign but it will be either them or the Lib Dems.

Mearings · 29-10-2019 11:58pm

In GB tactical voting to keep Johnson & his cronies out. Don't know much about voting in NI but would like to punish the party who failed to accept that the majority voted to remain. I don't see any point in voting for a party who refuse to use their parlimentary power.

Mr.Nice Guy · 30-10-2019 1:17am

I find it strange that so far in this poll most people - on an Irish forum - would want the Lib Dems to win, thus scuppering the proposal that our government and the other 26 states of the EU have signed off on with the British, and plunging us back into more uncertainty. Since the announcement of the agreement, both Labour and the Lib Dems have been using DUP-speak in deriding the 'border in the sea' and have been openly courting that party to suit their own ends.

I despise the Tories and what they stand for, and think Johnson is a charlatan who cares about nothing other than himself, and if this were an election on issues besides Brexit, I myself would likely be choosing between Labour and the Lib Dems; but as the saying goes, politics makes strange bedfellows, and surely it is in Ireland's best interests now to see Johnson and the Tories win as many seats as possible and be in a position to pass a deal at long last.

Paisley asked Johnson if he would be campaigning at the general election on the basis of seeking a mandate for the deal he agreed with the EU 27, and Johnson confirmed that he would be - much to Paisley's disgust. Therefore, if Johnson returned with a majority, which is admittedly a long shot, he could get his deal over the line which would be satisfactory to our interests.

I have sympathy with those across the water that will be affected by this deal, which I don't think will do the UK good in the long run, but in the same way they put their interests before ours, we must do the same. After all, we never asked for any of this.

My hope is that the SNP clean up in Scotland and thus boost their claim for another independence referendum. I hope the DUP suffer losses in NI. And in England - as much as I feel like needing a shower for writing this - I want the Tories to have a strong showing which gives Johnson a mandate for the UK/EU deal. While Corbyn seems a principled fellow, he has shown himself to be hopelessly out of his depth, and a poor showing will likely see him resign and a competent option like Starmer emerge to succeed him, which would be better for British politics going forward.

I don't think there is an ideal scenario, but the above seems to me to be the least worst option.

Zubeneschamali · 30-10-2019 2:08pm

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I find it strange that so far in this poll most people - on an Irish forum - would want the Lib Dems to win, thus scuppering the proposal that our government and the other 26 states of the EU have signed off on with the British, and plunging us back into more uncertainty.

Certainty is overrated - Johnson's deal will certainly blow a big hole in the Uk economy, and risks tariffs on Irish goods from Jan. 2021, both of which would be bad for us in Ireland.

The LibDems, on the other hand, would revoke A50 and go back to business as usual, very good for us in Ireland.

Also good for our neighbours, the ordinary people of the UK, who despite their current dislike of the EU do not deserve another recession and more austerity inflicted on them by the Tories.

endabob1 · 30-10-2019 2:34pm

The reality is that this election is solely about Brexit - Tactical voting by remainers, 2nd referendum supporters will have to take place otherwise we will have a Tory majority and and ram through of the hard/no deal Brexit that the ERG have been after.
I voted Labour 2 years ago even though I think Corbyn is a poor leader and will never win a majority, from a tactical point of view it was the right vote, This time around I may have to change, I have moved to a different constituency and I might even end up voting independent, it will be anyone but Tory/Brexit party depending on who has the best chance. Oddly I voted lib dem in the European & Local elections as that was the best tactical vote so I suspect like me it will be a horses for courses approach for a lot of people.

Fr Tod Umptious · 30-10-2019 2:45pm

endabob1 wrote: »

The reality is that this election is solely about Brexit - Tactical voting by remainers, 2nd referendum supporters will have to take place otherwise we will have a Tory majority and and ram through of the hard/no deal Brexit that the ERG have been after.
I voted Labour 2 years ago even though I think Corbyn is a poor leader and will never win a majority, from a tactical point of view it was the right vote, This time around I may have to change, I have moved to a different constituency and I might even end up voting independent, it will be anyone but Tory/Brexit party depending on who has the best chance. Oddly I voted lib dem in the European & Local elections as that was the best tactical vote so I suspect like me it will be a horses for courses approach for a lot of people.

Well not exactly
A Tory majority would result in the ratification of the current withdraw agreement from earlier this month.

As Brexit goes, that's not bad for Ireland.

Revoking A50 or even getting another referendum would be long shots.

Remember,can lot of Labour MPs come from Leave constituencies.
A Labour lead government would mean more of what we have seen for the last few years, i.e. too many factions to come to an agreement.

And as for the LibDems they would never have enough support for a full revokation of A50.

blanch152 · 30-10-2019 4:12pm

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I find it strange that so far in this poll most people - on an Irish forum - would want the Lib Dems to win, thus scuppering the proposal that our government and the other 26 states of the EU have signed off on with the British, and plunging us back into more uncertainty. Since the announcement of the agreement, both Labour and the Lib Dems have been using DUP-speak in deriding the 'border in the sea' and have been openly courting that party to suit their own ends.

I despise the Tories and what they stand for, and think Johnson is a charlatan who cares about nothing other than himself, and if this were an election on issues besides Brexit, I myself would likely be choosing between Labour and the Lib Dems; but as the saying goes, politics makes strange bedfellows, and surely it is in Ireland's best interests now to see Johnson and the Tories win as many seats as possible and be in a position to pass a deal at long last.

Paisley asked Johnson if he would be campaigning at the general election on the basis of seeking a mandate for the deal he agreed with the EU 27, and Johnson confirmed that he would be - much to Paisley's disgust. Therefore, if Johnson returned with a majority, which is admittedly a long shot, he could get his deal over the line which would be satisfactory to our interests.

I have sympathy with those across the water that will be affected by this deal, which I don't think will do the UK good in the long run, but in the same way they put their interests before ours, we must do the same. After all, we never asked for any of this.

My hope is that the SNP clean up in Scotland and thus boost their claim for another independence referendum. I hope the DUP suffer losses in NI. And in England - as much as I feel like needing a shower for writing this - I want the Tories to have a strong showing which gives Johnson a mandate for the UK/EU deal. While Corbyn seems a principled fellow, he has shown himself to be hopelessly out of his depth, and a poor showing will likely see him resign and a competent option like Starmer emerge to succeed him, which would be better for British politics going forward.

I don't think there is an ideal scenario, but the above seems to me to be the least worst option.

Any Brexit is bad for Ireland.

It is in Ireland's best interest to see the Lib Dems elected and pursuing at worst a soft Brexit.

Inquitus · 30-10-2019 5:12pm

In England whoever had the best chance of beating the Tories and in order of preference:

Lib Dems
Labour

In NI whoever had the best chance of beating the DUP and in order of preference:

SDLP
Sinn Féin
Alliance

In Wales whoever had the best chance of beating the Tories and in order of preference:

Plaid Cymru
Lib Dems
Labour

liamtech · 30-10-2019 5:50pm

Inquitus wrote: »

In NI whoever had the best chance of beating the DUP and in order of preference:

SDLP
Sinn Féin
Alliance

Thats incorrect

In all honesty if you are anti sinn fien thats fine - im not a sinn feiner here

But your analysis is wrong, if it is who has the best chance of beating the incumbent tory/dup - in northern ireland its sinn fein

Is this meant to reflect who would do more damage to brexit in the HOC?

if it is then remove SF from this as they wont be sitting in their seats

L1011 · 30-10-2019 6:00pm

liamtech wrote: »

Thats incorrect

In all honesty if you are anti sinn fien thats fine - im not a sinn feiner here

But your analysis is wrong, if it is who has the best chance of beating the incumbent tory/dup - in northern ireland its sinn fein

Is this meant to reflect who would do more damage to brexit in the HOC?

if it is then remove SF from this as they wont be sitting in their seats

???

He stated that is his preference, but whoever required. In Belfast South the SDLP have the best chance for instance.

whomitconcerns · 30-10-2019 6:03pm

Well I will be voting, us Irish in the UK do get a say. It may cut the votes but I think the lib Dems have a good story.

Tell me how · 30-10-2019 6:13pm

Well, this thread already shows how this is going to be a defacto Brexit vote while not being a referendum, thus once again belittling the democratic process exactly as Jess Philips outlined yesterday.

It's over 13 minutes long but the gist of it is that it is a 'General' Election and yet it will be fought over ambiguity with politicians being able to say afterwards that a vote for them was a vote for whatever they want it to be.

The UK should be very concerned to see their governance fall apart like this.

liamtech · 30-10-2019 6:26pm

L1011 wrote: »

???

He stated that is his preference, but whoever required. In Belfast South the SDLP have the best chance for instance.

ok well that isn't at all clear - my apologies if that was his intention

but i read that as his opinion of who has the better chances of toppling DUP/Tory Seats

An Ciarraioch · 30-10-2019 8:31pm

whomitconcerns wrote: »

Well I will be voting, us Irish in the UK do get a say. It may cut the votes but I think the lib Dems have a good story.

If Lib Dems can actually win in your constituency, fair enough, depends on who has the best historical record versus the Tories, of course.

endabob1 · 31-10-2019 8:53am

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Well not exactly
A Tory majority would result in the ratification of the current withdraw agreement from earlier this month.

As Brexit goes, that's not bad for Ireland.

Revoking A50 or even getting another referendum would be long shots.

Remember,can lot of Labour MPs come from Leave constituencies.
A Labour lead government would mean more of what we have seen for the last few years, i.e. too many factions to come to an agreement.

And as for the LibDems they would never have enough support for a full revokation of A50.

You are a more trusting man than I am if you think that Boris will simply pass his legislation and that will be that.
I fully expect a detour if Boris gets a workable majority and to get a parliamentary majority is a weird thing

May actually increased her vote by a reasonable amount but lost her majority

Blair won a "landslide" in 1997 with 43% of the vote by comparison May got 42% and lost her majority

I was here in 1997 and there was a massive push for tactical voting to get the tories out.
The remain 2nd referendum campaign seems pretty organised Two 1m+ marches suggest that there is enough of a core base to get tactical voting organised, with web sites etc...
My guess and give their performance in local and European elections is that we will see a push for the lib dems in more affluent areas and they will probably pick up 30-40 seats which will make it very difficult for Boris to get a majority unless, and this is the caveat here Labour are wiped out in the north of England by Farage's mob. I read somewhere that if 30% of remainers vote tactically Boris wouldn't get a majority, not sure how reliable that is...

Eric Cartman · 31-10-2019 11:19am

Depending on the area Conservative or the brexit party , the brexit party would only be if it was farage’s stomping ground, would like to see him get a seat in parliment.

Bercow v farage would be its own television show

ancapailldorcha · 31-10-2019 11:22am

Depending on Labour's stance on a People's Vote, I think it will be either them or the Liberal Democrats. I live in a safe Labour seat so I doubt my vote will make much difference. They seem to be committed now but I'll wait for confirmation.

Pedro K · 31-10-2019 11:27am

Given the way things are over there, I would genuinely consider voting for Lord Buckethead.

quokula · 31-10-2019 12:16pm

With FPTP it totally depends on constituency.

I'd vote SNP if in Scotland, Green if in Brighton, Alliance in NI, otherwise Labour. Unless it's a Lib Dem / Tory marginal then I'd be reluctantly forced to vote Lib.

I chose Labour in the poll above because overall they're the ones I'd want to form a government.

Zubeneschamali · 31-10-2019 12:41pm

quokula wrote: »

I chose Labour in the poll above because overall they're the ones I'd want to form a government.

Likewise - the Tories are an ongoing disaster, both for bringing us Brexit and ignoring everything else for years, and Labour are the only realistic alternative.

But constituency by constituency, the important thing is to keep the Tories out, so I'd vote for whoever has the best chance of beating the local Tory.

Mancomb Seepgood · 31-10-2019 7:36pm

As someone who'd really like to see the UK stay in the EU, I'd vote tactically based on who the candidate with the most realistic chance of beating the Tories is. My preferences would be Green (only a chance if you live in part of Brighton!) or Labour, but I would vote Lib Dem if necessary despite misgivings about the direction that party is going in. The simple truth is that the only attainable way Brexit can now be avoided is by a Labour lead government. I'm not saying it's likely to happen (it probably isn't).

whomitconcerns · 01-11-2019 1:51pm

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

If Lib Dems can actually win in your constituency, fair enough, depends on who has the best historical record versus the Tories, of course.

therin lies the problem, I am in a labour strong seat borough. Lib dems second and then tories

An Ciarraioch · 01-11-2019 2:02pm

whomitconcerns wrote: »

therin lies the problem, I am in a labour strong seat borough. Lib dems second and then tories

Then vote as you please, as either party would make a second referendum more likely.

ToBeFrank123 · 01-11-2019 3:27pm

I will never understand how DUP and SF do so well in the North.

Both parties are responsible for Stormont remaining closed.
The DUP only care about their own narrow base and are even at odds with much of that base.
SF represent northern voters in neither Stormont or HoC.

People will vote en masse for these parties and will then complain about Stormont not being open.

Completely dysfunctional political scene.

Tell me how · 01-11-2019 3:50pm

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

I will never understand how DUP and SF do so well in the North.

Both parties are responsible for Stormont remaining closed.
The DUP only care about their own narrow base and are even at odds with much of that base.
SF represent northern voters in neither Stormont or HoC.

People will vote en masse for these parties and will then complain about Stormont not being open.

Completely dysfunctional political scene.

There's probably a very large element of the vote for both parties being solely motivated to thwart the other.

ToBeFrank123 · 01-11-2019 3:59pm

Tell me how wrote: »

There's probably a very large element of the vote for both parties being solely motivated to thwart the other.

Possibly so, but its like shooting yourself in foot just so the other crowd can't shoot you in the foot first.

Sadly I don't think anything will ever change up there.

Lucky the SDLP and UUP led the way to the GFA, for all the thanks they got.

Anyways, you get the politicians and politics you deserve at the end of the day, and NI certainly has got that.

Tell me how · 01-11-2019 4:02pm

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Possibly so, but its liking shooting yourself in foot just so the other crowd can't shoot you in the foot first.

Sadly I don't think anything will ever change up there.

Thank god the SDLP and UUP led the way to the GFA, for all the thanks they got.

Anyways, you get the politicians and politics you deserve at the end of the day, and NI certainly has got that.

Things will change, unquestionably, it's just the rate of change is such that it seems it isn't happening.
DUP have been harmed more in the last 3 years, (RHA, IRish Language, Stormont, Brexit, Abortion, SSM...etc) that it is hard to see them continuously appealing to voters in spite of what SF are up to.

Best thing SF could do is adopt a somewhat concillatory tone and not draw attention to border poll issue and they would at the very least move voters away from DUP if not all the way to SF just yet.

theological · 01-11-2019 10:26pm

I find it encouraging that even on this ideologically slanted forum that over 11% would vote for Johnson and getting a Brexit deal over the line.

Tell me how · 01-11-2019 10:30pm

theological wrote: »

I find it encouraging that even on this ideologically slanted forum that over 11% would vote for Johnson and getting a Brexit deal over the line.

What makes you think the forum is ideologically slanted?

'Slanted' implies a bias without assessment. I think many have a dislike of the Tories as a result of paying close attention to what they have done over the last 3+ years.

OneEightSeven · 02-11-2019 12:03am

Used to live in the Islington South and Finsbury constituency, so I would be one of the few people there who'd vote Conservative.

Tell me how · 02-11-2019 1:24am

OneEightSeven wrote: »

Used to live in the Islington South and Finsbury constituency, so I would be one of the few people there who'd vote Conservative.

Is that out of an ardent dislike for Thornberry/Labour or a genuine belief in the conservative party/candidate (said to be Kate Pothalingham)?

It does emphasise the frustration though for many in very strong constituencies one way or the other. Thornberry got nearly 63% of the vote last time out, next highest got just under 21%.

I wonder what percentage of those who do not turn out to vote in the election are because they feel their candidate has no chance of winning? Must be 5-10% in some constituencies.

02-11-2019 1:33am

Depends.

Who would I want as PM? Corbyn.

Would I vote for another party in a tight constituency if it meant sending the Tories out the gap? Absolutely.

If I voted for Lib Dems would I expect them to hold to their word? Absolutely ****ing not. They're the British version of Irish Labour. **** both of them.

Hup Jezza.

NIMAN · 02-11-2019 4:36am

Even by NI standard of mixed up politics, this story is very sad.

Threats against the UUP because they don't want to form a pact with the DUP to try to keep out the other side!

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-50263931

02-11-2019 1:32pm

Surely it's a bit of a joke asking who one would vote for in the UK election, when it's only England that matters? The wishes regarding Brexit of a majority in the Six Counties or in Scotland are irrelevant, and have been proven to be so.

Indeed, this entire election is about England and trying to get an English solution to an entirely English-created problem.

Therefore, out of the three English parties I'd vote for the only one which is against Brexit: the Liberal party.

And please, will people desist from claiming the Labour party is pro-Brexit. They've pissed on their freedom to be so each and every day. Labour is the very, very worst type of opposition to rightwing Tories and other flag-waving jingoists. Petty, party politics doesn't come much worse than what has been going on between the Tories and Labour.

Capt'n Midnight · 03-11-2019 1:01pm

One set of predictions
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

Conservative majority		52%
Labour majority			11%
Con choice of Lib/Nat		7%
Lib choice of Con/Lab		6%
Lab choice of Lib/Nat		5%
Con/Brexit coalition		4%
Lab/Lib coalition		3%
No overall control		3%
Con/Lib coalition		3%
LibDem majority			2%
Con/Nat coalition		1%
Lab/Nat coalition		1%
Brexit/Con coalition		1%
Nat choice of Con/Lab		1%

So many safe seats so most votes don't matter unless there's a landslide. Might be better off digging up dirt to get a candidate to step down than campaigning. And that's really depressing to consider when you are supposed to have a democracy.

Every marginal is it's own election.

And how do you choose if you have a Remainer Tory vs a Leaver Labour as choices ? Which way will they vote ?

Pensioners might be the key here.

Thanks to the triple lock pension they probably think Brexit won't affect them. They need to be reminded "it's the economy, stupid" because if , as every economist says, Brexit means the UK economy slows down there won't be the money there to support them and the services they need in addition to their pensions. And yes you will have to pay for that TV licence.

RobMc59 · 03-11-2019 1:26pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Surely it's a bit of a joke asking who one would vote for in the UK election, when it's only England that matters? The wishes regarding Brexit of a majority in the Six Counties or in Scotland are irrelevant, and have been proven to be so.

Indeed, this entire election is about England and trying to get an English solution to an entirely English-created problem.

Therefore, out of the three English parties I'd vote for the only one which is against Brexit: the Liberal party.

And please, will people desist from claiming the Labour party is pro-Brexit. They've pissed on their freedom to be so each and every day. Labour is the very, very worst type of opposition to rightwing Tories and other flag-waving jingoists. Petty, party politics doesn't come much worse than what has been going on between the Tories and Labour.

The Tories(starting with Thatcher)have decimated the area of the UK I live in (Merseyside)and as a lifelong Labour voter and trade union member I will vote lib-dem with a heavy heart unless Corbyn gets his act together and gets off the fence.

Manach · 03-11-2019 2:10pm

Conservative, in the hope they remember the meaning of their party's name in terms of its social values and free-market small government roots.

quokula · 04-11-2019 11:18am

RobMc59 wrote: »

The Tories(starting with Thatcher)have decimated the area of the UK I live in (Merseyside)and as a lifelong Labour voter and trade union member I will vote lib-dem with a heavy heart unless Corbyn gets his act together and gets off the fence.

Given that he's promised a people's vote between remaining and a pretty soft brexit, how much more do you want? Revoking outright without a referendum is just not realistic when there are still such huge numbers of leave voters out there.

RobMc59 · 04-11-2019 12:56pm

quokula wrote: »

Given that he's promised a people's vote between remaining and a pretty soft brexit, how much more do you want? Revoking outright without a referendum is just not realistic when there are still such huge numbers of leave voters out there.

It does appear thankfully that the penny has finally dropped with him and he's getting his act together.
In regards to the lib-dems pledge of revoking,if people don't want that then they won't vote for it,although this is a very attractive proposition to remainers imo.

Capt'n Midnight · 04-11-2019 1:15pm

Manach wrote: »

Conservative, in the hope they remember the meaning of their party's name in terms of its social values and free-market small government roots.

Both the labour and conservative parties have diverged from the centre.

This isn't a choice between one-nation conservatives and new Labour.

Votes like yours won't make them reform it will just reinforce the view that they don't have to attract the middle ground because that vote will be drive by fear of the nasty party or the tax the rich party.

Neither will change unless there is a major upset. Both can think 40% is achievable without having to compromise extreme values.

BonnieSituation · 05-11-2019 2:02pm

It's impossible to even begin to know what the reality would be. It all depends on the constituency.

If in Scotland, SNP.

If in the North depending on the constituency but generally SF>SDLP>UUP.

Though, Belfast North would be SF, Belfast South would be SDLP and North Down would be Sylvia Hermon. To be simpler, anyone but the DUP where it's likely my vote would shaft them.

In Wales, Plaid or Green or LD/Lab where it's advantageous to oust a Tory.

In England, Green or LD/Lab where it's advantageous to oust a Tory. That being said I would vote for Anna Soubry or Dominic Grieve and their ilk if I found myself in such constituencies.

05-11-2019 4:16pm

Based on Corbyn's commitment to renegotiate the deal and get Brexit sorted in six months, I see absolutely no reason to vote for Labour other than "They aren't Tories".

from what I can tell of the five main parties, the policies are:

Stay in power, get Brexit done at any cost and screw the average person
Get in to power at any costs and screw anyone who earns more than minimum wage
Get Brexit done and screw everyone else
Keep everyone happy and ultimately no one
Freeeedom

I see sheep · 05-11-2019 7:43pm

Aegir wrote: »

Based on Corbyn's commitment to renegotiate the deal and get Brexit sorted in six months, I see absolutely no reason to vote for Labour other than "They aren't Tories".

from what I can tell of the five main parties, the policies are:
Stay in power, get Brexit done at any cost and screw the average person

Get in to power at any costs and screw anyone who earns more than minimum wage

Get Brexit done and screw everyone else

Keep everyone happy and ultimately no one

Freeeedom

It's not all about Brexit.

How about the chance of a better country?

Over half a million children fed by food banks in the last year in the UK, absolutely shameful.

05-11-2019 10:33pm

I see sheep wrote: »

It's not all about Brexit.

How about the chance of a better country?

Over half a million children fed by food banks in the last year in the UK, absolutely shameful.

If Corbin gets in, it will be twice that number.

Tell me how · 05-11-2019 11:42pm

I see sheep wrote: »

It's not all about Brexit.

How about the chance of a better country?

Over half a million children fed by food banks in the last year in the UK, absolutely shameful.

This illustrates the mess the UK is in.

A general election should be run on general issues. It is already a defacto Brexit referendum but much more complex.

With the state of the Brexit debate, it is likely to be the government after this before they get back to general issues if they do end up not leaving, and could be 10 years before these issues get prominence if they do leave.

Mezzotint · 05-11-2019 11:46pm

It would depend on where I was. The UK is effectively multiple parallel political systems sitting in the same parliament. Northern Ireland, in particular, doesn't have anything in common with British politics, having entirely different parties to any other part of the UK.

Meanwhile, with the rise of the SNP, Scotland is also no longer quite in the same two party dichotomy as England.

In general in England I don't know which of the two and a half parties I would abide voting for. The Tories are just awful and Labour is slightly less awful, but still awful. Meanwhile, other than the Lib Dems are opposed to Brexit, I don't really find them a very effective or defined party, but I would probably give them a vote purely on the anti Brexit stance alone. I'd probably hold my nose and vote for them.

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