Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

Marty Xavier · 05-11-2019 02:13PM

TheMilkyPirate wrote: »

So it wasn't the video games then, it was the violent and hostile dispositions that they already harbor.

The articles states that those with pre-existing violent and hostile dispostions are suscptible to such violent media.

Letwin_Larry · 05-11-2019 02:14PM

salmocab wrote: »

Evil genes? So maybe their siblings should suffer it too. This is the sort of reactionary nonsense that stops real debate.

ok "evil genes" is melodramatic, but you have to concede there is definitely something wrong with those little scrotes.

or do you subscribe to "the video game made me do it" school of psychology?

05-11-2019 02:15PM

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I have easy access to both video games and porn, have done for donkey years, so do you.

I haven't raped and killed many schoolgirls though, have you?

Similarly an entire lifetime of easy access to knives hasn't caused me to stab anyone.

The... it did not affect me so therefore it has no affect on anybody agrument.

BENDYBINN · 05-11-2019 02:15PM

Strange, if an adult had committed the same murder there wouldn’t be half as much fuss. They’re are only kids for gods sake....

Mantis Toboggan · 05-11-2019 02:17PM

Concurrent sentences should not be allowed, absolute farce. These boys will be out before they're 30.

Donnielighto · 05-11-2019 02:17PM

Marty Xavier wrote: »

Maybe he would but there is a chance that it did affect him also, I am bringing this up because it was mentioned in the case that he was obsessed with violence in gaming and violent porn also. I am not advocating a banning but minors should not have access to this.

The breakfast comment is ridiculous.

So is the game comment.

mdol · 05-11-2019 02:18PM

The little pricks got off too lightly. Even with the entirety of their sentences being run they'll be out in their relative youth. I hope however the sentence is akin to an eternity and they'll both be on the receiving end of what they so thoroughly deserve on a daily basis.

*****.

take everything · 05-11-2019 02:18PM

Charles Leclerc wrote: »

Cannot name them now as they are minors. The judge is and was merely reinforcing this due to the baying mob of keyboard warriors.

Would you be ok with boy A marrying your daughter or sister in 15 years time. And not knowing about his past.

Squiggle · 05-11-2019 02:19PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Well Done to the judge

I'm horrified that Boy A got an 8 year concurrent sentence for the violent sexual assault on Ana. Without consecutive sentencing being applied Boy A effectively remains unpunished for part of this heinous crime.

splinter65 · 05-11-2019 02:19PM

BENDYBINN wrote: »

Strange, if an adult had committed the same murder there wouldn’t be half as much fuss. They’re are only kids for gods sake....

You picked a thread about the murder of a child to troll? Really?

BattleCorp · 05-11-2019 02:20PM

mariaalice wrote: »

The... it did not affect me so therefore it has no affect on anybody agrument.

The video game industry is now larger than the music and movie industry combined.

If video games caused people to commit violent crimes we'd have far more murders than we currently have.

People are always looking for something to blame rather than blaming the individual. Some people are just bad.

Letwin_Larry · 05-11-2019 02:22PM

i recall at the time these same psychologist types tried to blame/excuse the Jamie Bolger killers also.
i think they narrowed it down to one kids video (sorry on Ninetendos or Gameboys in those days). such pseudo-science has much to answer for.
i forget the name but i'm sure many of you know what it's called.

Donnielighto · 05-11-2019 02:23PM

mariaalice wrote: »

The... it did not affect me so therefore it has no affect on anybody agrument.

Is there any correlation between the popularity of videogames and crimes, volent or otherwise. If not then this it's scapegoating an easy target.

BENDYBINN · 05-11-2019 02:23PM

splinter65 wrote: »

You picked a thread about the murder of a child to troll? Really?

An eleven yr old murdered in limerick yesterday.....Will there be over 6000 posts about whoever is responsible?

Charles Leclerc · 05-11-2019 02:23PM

take everything wrote: »

This is the stark reality of the situation.
And its a serious failure of the system.
I do think they should be named when they're 18.

What exactly will that achieve?

It will only serve to put their families in danger as the boys will be just at the start of their sentences.

Lefty Bicek · 05-11-2019 02:24PM

BENDYBINN wrote: »

An eleven yr old murdered in limerick yesterday.....Will there be over 6000 posts about whoever is responsible?

If the perpetrator were a teenager or teenagers, I could easily see that there would be.

Sardonicat · 05-11-2019 02:25PM

Letwin_Larry wrote: »

i recall at the time these same psychologist types tried to blame/excuse the Jamie Bolger killers also.
i think they narrowed it down to one kids video (sorry on Ninetendos or Gameboys in those days). such pseudo-science has much to answer for.
i forget the name but i'm sure many of you know what it's called.

*James* Bolger

It was a film. 'Child's Play' IIRC.

salmocab · 05-11-2019 02:26PM

Letwin_Larry wrote: »

ok "evil genes" is melodramatic, but you have to concede there is definitely something wrong with those little scrotes.

or do you subscribe to "the video game made me do it" school of psychology?

There is certainly something wrong with anyone who would commit a crime like this, I don’t subscribe to any school of psychology. My point was all this hyperbole stifles real debate as it’s the forum equivalent of shouting in anger.

BENDYBINN · 05-11-2019 02:26PM

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

If the perpetrator were a teenager or teenagers, I could easily see that there would be.

Why not the same hate for adult murderers?

suicide_circus · 05-11-2019 02:27PM

can people give the violent video game trope a rest? what video game was jack the ripper playing?

Ash.J.Williams · 05-11-2019 02:28PM

BENDYBINN wrote: »

An eleven yr old murdered in limerick yesterday.....Will there be over 6000 posts about whoever is responsible?

dick post

Guy:Incognito · 05-11-2019 02:28PM

Charles Leclerc wrote: »

What exactly will that achieve?

It will only serve to put their families in danger as the boys will be just at the start of their sentences.

If one or both of them commits another similar offence against someone they befriend who doesnt know who they are when they get out, will that just be a shoulder shrug and a "hard luck" to the girl?

jiltloop · 05-11-2019 02:29PM

Marty Xavier wrote: »

Maybe he would but there is a chance that it did affect him also, I am bringing this up because it was mentioned in the case that he was obsessed with violence in gaming and violent porn also. I am not advocating a banning but minors should not have access to this.

The breakfast comment is ridiculous.

He was obsessed with violence in gaming and violent porn because he was predisposed to be, sick people will seek out sick things. Violent people will seek out weapons/knives etc. This doesn't meant that baseball bats and knives are to blame when violent people use them on other people.

I completely agree that children shouldn't have access to violent games and pornography but this tired crap of blaming video games and porn on people's crimes is just ridiculous and has been debunked so many times already. People don't get turned to violence by these things, they are already predisposed to violence or have unhealthy thoughts and seek it out.

05-11-2019 02:31PM

salmocab wrote: »

Evil genes? So maybe their siblings should suffer it too. This is the sort of reactionary nonsense that stops real debate.

Their siblings didn't do this, they did. And it isn't "reactionary nonsense" ... signalling that monsters like these two deserve all kinds of special allowances when no such allowances were given to their victim is "reactionary nonsense".

Robert_Beach · 05-11-2019 02:31PM

They'll be out and about to enjoy the latter part of their 20s. Great little country Ireland is.

Charles Leclerc · 05-11-2019 02:32PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

If one or both of them commits another similar offence against someone they befriend who doesnt know who they are when they get out, will that just be a shoulder shrug and a "hard luck" to the girl?

They'll be in detention when they're 18. Whats the point of naming them then? What will it achieve? By all means name them upon release if they're found to have shown no improvement or remorse. They're kids, they have much more scope in rehabilitation than a fully developed adult.

ZeroThreat · 05-11-2019 02:33PM

Letwin_Larry wrote: »

the UK (if the Tories are re-elected that is) are about to introduce some pretty serious sentencing for killers of children. i really hope we follow their example.

it's one thing killing someone in a fit of drug/drink feuled rage on a Sat night, or a gangland hit over drugs or money, but this murder was on a whole different level. cold, calculating, calice, carried out with a degree of satisfaction, almost pleasure.

Don't know if anyone here has watched Black Mirror on netflix, but there's an episode called 'White Bear' that comes to mind when I think about the sort of punishment that is really deserved in cases like these.

05-11-2019 02:33PM

jiltloop wrote: »

He was obsessed with violence in gaming and violent porn because he was predisposed to be, sick people will seek out sick things. Violent people will seek out weapons/knives etc. This doesn't meant that baseball bats and knives are to blame when violent people use them on other people.

I completely agree that children shouldn't have access to violent games and pornography but this tired crap of blaming video games and porn on people's crimes is just ridiculous and has been debunked so many times already. People don't get turned to violence by these things, they are already predisposed to violence or have unhealthy thoughts and seek it out.

Just watch Mindhunter on Netflix. Of course it's dramatised but these were real killers and none of them had access to video games and all but the most elementary pornography - if any at all. Yet they carried out these despicable acts.

i have met evil bastard kids back in the 70s when I was that age - not to this level but who derived pleasure from torturing dogs and cats and beating up and inflicting pain on smaller kids for example. No video games or porn were available then.

What video games did Hitler play?

These kids are worthless scum and should be treated as such.

salmocab · 05-11-2019 02:34PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Their siblings didn't do this, they did. And it isn't "reactionary nonsense" ... signalling that monsters like these two deserve all kinds of special allowances when no such allowances were given to their victim is "reactionary nonsense".

Their siblings have the same genes though.

TheMilkyPirate · 05-11-2019 02:36PM

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

If the perpetrator were a teenager or teenagers, I could easily see that there would be.

What? Why not if it's an adult? People wanting these two lads hanged but their has been much worse committed by adults over the years and I don't remember seeing the vitriol and hate that's been spewed (rightfully so) about this case then.

Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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