Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

Charles Leclerc · 05-11-2019 01:40PM

Kauto0709 wrote: »

No but I'm saying they obviously didn't raise them very well if they think it's ok to murder a young girl in cold blood for the craic!

Good lord, you're embarrassing yourself.

There's kids dragged up all over this country but don't murder someone. There's numerous outside factors that caused this murder. Read up on the case before spouting more hysterical crap.

Letwin_Larry · 05-11-2019 01:41PM

tigger123 wrote: »

There's hundreds of millions of people playing video games every day that don't do things like Boy A did. I'd stroingly suspect if he didn't play video games, he still would have done what he did.

I'm sure Boy A also ate breakfast cereal that morning. Should we also ban breakfast cereal?

would that make him a cereal killer?

Apologies. poor taste.

Uncle Charlie · 05-11-2019 01:42PM

I suspect these animals will reoffend as soon as they are released just like Jamie Bulgers killer.

Donald Trump · 05-11-2019 01:42PM

Charles Leclerc wrote: »

Good lord, you're embarrassing yourself.

There's kids dragged up all over this country but don't murder someone. There's numerous outside factors that caused this murder. Read up on the case before spouting more hysterical crap.

Do you think that these numerous outside factors were enough for the two "poor little boys" to be allowed to walk away. Was any if it their fault in your opinion? Were they merely a victim of circumstance?

sbsquarepants · 05-11-2019 01:43PM

Kauto0709 wrote: »

No but I'm saying they obviously didn't raise them very well if they think it's ok to murder a young girl in cold blood for the craic!

That's not necessarily true. Some people are just wired wrong - there's basically no hope of people like this ever being anything but scum.

I'm not saying it's not the case that were dragged up, i have no idea if they were or they weren't or what their home lives were like. It it is however quite possible that decent loving parents can just happen to rear a cold blooded killer or a rapist or whatnot through no fault of their own.

Charles Leclerc · 05-11-2019 01:43PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Talking out your hole dude. They could have been named at 18 at the discretion of the judge. There is no law that adults cannot be named. If you think it exists, given you are a legal expert advising others to educate themselves on the law, you can feel free to point us to the specific legislation.

I'm done conversing with you. You used 'lol' in an earlier post therefore you're a moron. I don't debate with morons.

Donald Trump · 05-11-2019 01:45PM

retro:electro wrote: »

I’m fairness the families do deserve protection and I’d struggle to say anything remotely nice about either of them. But they didn’t commit the crime here, regardless of how they raised their children. But surely there comes a time when the protection of society at large sort of overrides their right to privacy? Wasn’t that the thinking behind the decision to release the names of James Bulger’s killers?

If there had been a third killer who was just 18 on the day of the murder, would his family have deserved the same protection? What about 28 or 38?
One could argue that for the 18 year old they were more culpable as they had finished their "job" or raising him at that stage whereas for a 13/14 year old they were still working on it......

Letwin_Larry · 05-11-2019 01:46PM

Charles Leclerc wrote: »

Good lord, you're embarrassing yourself.

There's kids dragged up all over this country but don't murder someone. There's numerous outside factors that caused this murder. Read up on the case before spouting more hysterical crap.

what are these extraneous, outside factors you speak of?

can you enlighten us please, as i want to make sure my kids or their friends do not fall foul of them. how should we recognise them?

marieholmfan · 05-11-2019 01:49PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

That's just bullshit trying to convince yourself you know more than you do. Educate yourself more like

They can't be named because the judge decided so. It was in his ability to allow them to be named now or at 18. He chose it. It's not an actual law.

it's literally in the Children's act.

Marty Xavier · 05-11-2019 01:51PM

TheMilkyPirate wrote: »

You are a clown. You're an absolute idiot in fact if you believe video games had anything to do with this or any other murder. Some people are evil some of those evil people also happen to play video games. Some of them also happen to play the piano play volleyball but that's not what makes them murderers.

Children with violent or hostile dispositions can be negatively affected by violent video games. This has to be a factor in this case. So maybe instead of calling me a clown and an idiot you might not jump to conclusions and name calling and consider a different point of view. Again I will repeat that easy access to porn for a minor is troubling also. This is the world we live in, I have no problem with video games and I have played alot but I see kids playing 18 rated games where misogyny and brutal violence are commonplace and explicit.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/191171.php

omega man · 05-11-2019 01:51PM

jammiedodgers wrote: »

The real sentence here should have been that they are named once they turn 18. They should have no opportunity to have a normal life after what they have done.

There’s no way their identities will not become public at some stage in the future through leaks.

As a father of a 14 year old girl and also a 12 year old boy this case deeply effected me. I’ll never forget poor Anna.

salmocab · 05-11-2019 01:51PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

If you think the family should be protected, then can you give us your view on why Graham Dwyer's family not afforded the same protection given that they also raised him? Should they have been afforded the same protection? If not, why not?

Because as an adult people blame him solely but you only have to look at some of the posts here to see people saying they raised them thinking it was okay to do this.

sbsquarepants · 05-11-2019 01:53PM

Marty Xavier wrote: »

How dare you call me a clown, do some research on the case and you will see that there is a point to my argument, i mentioned video games and easy access to porn. I will present some facts from around the case to support this.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ana-kriegel-murder-trial-jury-not-told-of-porn-found-on-boy-a-s-phone-1.3929624

I have easy access to both video games and porn, have done for donkey years, so do you.

I haven't raped and killed many schoolgirls though, have you?

Similarly an entire lifetime of easy access to knives hasn't caused me to stab anyone.

Bigbagofcans · 05-11-2019 01:53PM

retro:electro wrote: »

To think that these two could pick up where they left off in their mid twenties and start dating some poor, non the wiser young girl is just terrifying.

So scary. Their photos should be made public when they're released.

I've seen the photo of them that was passed around a few months ago. I'm sure people will still be sharing it around to ensure these little scumbags get recognised when they're released.

iamwhoiam · 05-11-2019 01:54PM

Well Done to the judge and jury and to the Gardai in this dreadful case .They were professional throughout and so gave no cause to doubt or to get the case quashed .
Fair play to them all

Donald Trump · 05-11-2019 01:56PM

marieholmfan wrote: »

it's literally in the Children's act.

No it's not.

You are confusing two things.
1) Normally, you cannot name a minor convicted of an offense
2) Normally, juvenile offenses can be expunged at 18.

However the later does not apply for serious crimes.

Marty Xavier · 05-11-2019 01:56PM

tigger123 wrote: »

There's hundreds of millions of people playing video games every day that don't do things like Boy A did. I'd stroingly suspect if he didn't play video games, he still would have done what he did.

I'm sure Boy A also ate breakfast cereal that morning. Should we also ban breakfast cereal?

Maybe he would but there is a chance that it did affect him also, I am bringing this up because it was mentioned in the case that he was obsessed with violence in gaming and violent porn also. I am not advocating a banning but minors should not have access to this.

The breakfast comment is ridiculous.

Donnielighto · 05-11-2019 01:57PM

Do people want there to be no difference between child and adult laws? That shouldn't be done on a case by case basis.

Donald Trump · 05-11-2019 01:58PM

salmocab wrote: »

Because as an adult people blame him solely but you only have to look at some of the posts here to see people saying they raised them thinking it was okay to do this.

The same people could come to the same conclusion if it was an 18 year old (or 28 year old) who committed the offence.

Letwin_Larry · 05-11-2019 01:58PM

Marty Xavier wrote: »

Children with violent or hostile dispositions can be negatively affected by violent video games. This has to be a factor in this case. So maybe instead of calling me a clown and an idiot you might not jump to conclusions and name calling and consider a different point of view.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/191171.php

interesting article. but the 3 traits highlighted,

"high neuroticism (e.g., easily upset, angry, depressed, emotional, etc.), low agreeableness (e.g., little concern for others, indifferent to others feelings, cold, etc.) and low conscientiousness (e.g., break rules, don't keep promises, act without thinking, etc.)."

strike me as genetic dispositions. if the video game doesn't make the little fecker do it, then no doubt these well intentioned psychologists/apologists will find some other "outside factor" to blame/excuse their actions. eg poor diet, ill-fitting shoes, acne, lack of social mobility. take yer pick.

Marty Xavier · 05-11-2019 01:59PM

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I have easy access to both video games and porn, have done for donkey years, so do you.

I haven't raped and killed many schoolgirls though, have you?

Similarly an entire lifetime of easy access to knives hasn't caused me to stab anyone.

So how many is not many?

05-11-2019 02:00PM

Kauto0709 wrote: »

Innocent families?? They raised those scumbags!

If my brother killed someone that doesn't make me guilty much the same as if your brother killed someone it doesn't make you guilty. You are not your brother's keeper. It's not as simple as that always.

It's stuff like this why anonymity is afforded to the killers.

Obviously and rightly peoples thoughts and sympathies are for Ana and her parents but I would have a degree of sympathy for the siblings of A and B at the very least.

Letwin_Larry · 05-11-2019 02:05PM

Omackeral wrote: »

If my brother killed someone that doesn't make me guilty much the same as if your brother killed someone it doesn't make you guilty. You are not your brother's keeper. It's not as simple as that always.

It's stuff like this why anonymity is afforded to the killers.

Obviously and rightly peoples thoughts and sympathies are for Ana and her parents but I would have a degree of sympathy for the siblings of A and B at the very least.

i have young children, and i would like to be informed if they moved into my area.
those little killers didn't land from outer space. they are either genetically malformed and/or have been brought up to have no empathy for other living things/people.

TheMilkyPirate · 05-11-2019 02:05PM

Marty Xavier wrote: »

Children with violent or hostile dispositions can be negatively affected by violent video games. This has to be a factor in this case. So maybe instead of calling me a clown and an idiot you might not jump to conclusions and name calling and consider a different point of view. Again I will repeat that easy access to porn for a minor is troubling also. This is the world we live in, I have no problem with video games and I have played alot but I see kids playing 18 rated games where misogyny and brutal violence are commonplace and explicit.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/191171.php

So it wasn't the video games then, it was the violent and hostile dispositions that they already harbor.

05-11-2019 02:06PM

I would be in favour of enforced sterilisation of these two.

No way should they be allowed to propogate their evil genes.

take everything · 05-11-2019 02:09PM

retro:electro wrote: »

To think that these two could pick up where they left off in their mid twenties and start dating some poor, non the wiser young girl is just terrifying. They still have their whole lives to live at that age.

This is the stark reality of the situation.
And its a serious failure of the system.
I do think they should be named when they're 18.

Letwin_Larry · 05-11-2019 02:09PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I would be in favour of enforced sterilisation of these two.

No way should they be allowed to propogate their evil genes.

i think that's taking it a tad too far, but people should have a right to know where these people and their families are. the state has a constitutional duty to protect its' citizenry.

salmocab · 05-11-2019 02:10PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I would be in favour of enforced sterilisation of these two.

No way should they be allowed to propogate their evil genes.

Evil genes? So maybe their siblings should suffer it too. This is the sort of reactionary nonsense that stops real debate.

skallywag · 05-11-2019 02:12PM

Letwin_Larry wrote: »

...but people should have a right to know where these people and their families are.

Why are you including their families?

Guy:Incognito · 05-11-2019 02:13PM

TheMilkyPirate wrote: »

Are you saying their families purposefully raised their children to be murderers?

No, but when you look at gangs of 20-30 young kids from 12 up spending 7 days a week hanging around causing trouble (proper criminal trouble, attacking people, smashing windows, harassing businesses) in towns around the country till half 10 at night (using clondalkin village as an example) , theres a severe lack of parenting going on.

Chucking a kid out the door every day and not seeing them till 11 o'clock at night for their whole teenage years isnt raising them.

Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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