Doctor Sleep

Mr E · 13-06-2019 8:27pm #1

First teaser trailer just released...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2msJTFvhkU4

Ferajacka · 13-06-2019 8:34pm

Never heard of it till now but excited...

dreamers75 · 14-06-2019 12:06am

yup thats looks decent.

expectationlost · 14-06-2019 1:05am

Mr E wrote: »

First teaser trailer just released...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2msJTFvhkU4

I wanted ewan to still have the bowl cut

3rdDegree · 14-06-2019 2:10am

The book was very good. That trailer doesn't look too promising though!

mikhail · 14-06-2019 4:34am

3rdDegree wrote: »

The book was very good. That trailer doesn't look too promising though!

I had the opposite reaction. The book was only okay. The trailer looks good. I like the actors involved (McGregor and Ferguson).

Interesting that they used that musical cue from The Shining, given how much King hates that movie.

The writer/director doesn't have much of a track record. A few horror movies, and a bunch of TV work.

A sequel to a classic like The Shining is rarely a tap on the original, but I expect fans will be keeping an eye out to see if this is any good.

homerun_homer · 14-06-2019 2:32pm

mikhail wrote: »

The writer/director doesn't have much of a track record. A few horror movies, and a bunch of TV work.

Have you seen The Haunting of Hill House on Netflix? Mike Flanagan made is and it is brilliant. There is some amazing direction in it. His films may be hit and miss up to that point but I would be very optimistic with him handling a horror now after that show.

mikhail · 14-06-2019 6:14pm

homerun_homer wrote: »

Have you seen The Haunting of Hill House on Netflix? Mike Flanagan made is and it is brilliant. There is some amazing direction in it. His films may be hit and miss up to that point but I would be very optimistic with him handling a horror now after that show.

I saw he was credited with directing one episode on imdb, but didn't realise he had a bigger contribution than that. I haven't seen it, but people were raving about it when it dropped.

branie2 · 16-06-2019 2:06pm

I'll definitely have to see it!

Gwynplaine · 16-06-2019 9:02pm

Looking forward to this. Haven't seen a decent film for a long time.

Mr E · 08-09-2019 6:56pm

Final trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOzFZxB-8cw

Agent Coulson · 08-09-2019 11:14pm

I wonder will any cinemas put on a double bill with The Shining.

pixelburp · 09-09-2019 9:50am

So I presume this is going to try and thread the needle between the Kubrick film and the original book? Trailer itself looks very "OK", like if it wasn't for the blatant nostalgia trawling, it just comes off like a generic mainstream horror film.

I've read they completely rebuilt the Overlook Hotel set using Kubrick's original plans, intentionally impossible layout, doors 'n all. Always found that a fascinating little nugget of Hollywood design.

What odds on a CGI Jack Nicholoson at some point?

El Duda · 09-09-2019 11:16am

Gwynplaine wrote: »

Looking forward to this. Haven't seen a decent film for a long time.

I think you may be waiting a while longer.

Saw the trailer in the cinema recently. The person I was with lent over and said
"That looks absolutely terrible... worst trailer ever"

JP Liz V1 · 11-09-2019 11:58pm

I wonder could Shelley Duvall have a cameo

homerun_homer · 12-09-2019 2:37pm

In terms of this following the Shining movie, the plot of the novel is ridiculous and doesn't match the original.

As a movie plot in it's own right, never mind the connection to Kubrick's film, I wouldn't be drawn at all to seeing this. It looks crap. The first trailer nearly woo'd me with it's nostalgia baiting, but seeing the actual plot come into view I'm completely put off.

El Duda · 12-09-2019 4:59pm

Ewan McGregor is in my top 5 worst actors working today. He is so awful.

Shred · 13-09-2019 5:55pm

I've read a lot of King but only got around to reading the Shining a couple of years ago and I have to concur with the author; the film isn't a good/true adaption of the book (and I loved the movie when I was a teenager).
I then read Doctor Sleep, enjoyed it (as a direct sequel to the book) and I was looking forward to this but the trailers make it look like a sequel to the Kubrick film rather than a direct adaption of the book which is pretty disappointing (but no surprise really given Kubrick's film is still pretty popular even now).

Agent Coulson · 28-10-2019 6:43am

Some early reviews are calling this the best King adaptation since Shawshank

fluke · 28-10-2019 11:06am

El Duda wrote: »

Ewan McGregor is in my top 5 worst actors working today. He is so awful.

Funny enough I was thinking about this recently when I saw some promo stuff for the film. His best role was in the original Trainspotting but when I see him in anything else in the last ten years he just feels like he's trying to act, rather than ever really diving into character.

razorblunt · 28-10-2019 11:11am

I enjoyed the book, this has a cast I don't like though. Shame.

El Duda · 28-10-2019 1:41pm

fluke wrote: »

Funny enough I was thinking about this recently when I saw some promo stuff for the film. His best role was in the original Trainspotting but when I see him in anything else in the last ten years he just feels like he's trying to act, rather than ever really diving into character.

I completely agree. I havn't seen fargo S3 yet though. Apparently he's good in that?

branie2 · 28-10-2019 10:16pm

I'm seeing it on Friday

Acosta · 29-10-2019 7:09pm

fluke wrote: »

Funny enough I was thinking about this recently when I saw some promo stuff for the film. His best role was in the original Trainspotting but when I see him in anything else in the last ten years he just feels like he's trying to act, rather than ever really diving into character.

I've no beef with his acting but he's never managed to do a convincing American accent

Gerry Hannon · 30-10-2019 1:54pm

I'll for sure go to see this because I enjoyed the book (Shining and Dr.Sleep) and loved Kubrick's the Shining, be interesting if this is a sequel to the book or the movie version or if they will blur the lines and go with a bit of both.
I see they cast someone as Dick Hallorann so seems to be following the book more than the film unless its just a voice part in dreams or visions.

Fysh · 31-10-2019 7:20pm

Gerry Hannon wrote: »

I'll for sure go to see this because I enjoyed the book (Shining and Dr.Sleep) and loved Kubrick's the Shining, be interesting if this is a sequel to the book or the movie version or if they will blur the lines and go with a bit of both.
I see they cast someone as Dick Hallorann so seems to be following the book more than the film unless its just a voice part in dreams or visions.

I suspect it'll be a bit of both - seemingly they rebuilt Kubrick's set for the Overlook, which seems an encouraging sign.

RickBlaine · 31-10-2019 10:49pm

Just saw it, having seen The Shining yesterday. I haven't read the novel so this is purely based on the movie.

It is really nowhere near the psychological horror of The Shining. It reminded me most of an scaled down superhero movie, which was surprising. There is a group of bad guys with special powers led by a charismatic leader, a reluctant hero and a young protegee also with special powers, and they both fight for a mcguffin, in this case "steam".

The Overlook plays a part in the movie (as shown in the trailer) but it feels very cursory. It could have been any "significant location" that we've seen in a lot in horror movies and would have required just a 10 minute prologue to establish such a location.

With regards to Danny, again, he is just a guy with special powers. That's basically it. There are a few scenes dealing with his childhood but nothing particularly deep.

So from a tone and genre point of view, I struggle to connect it to the original. It would be very easy to strip away The Shining references and you'd be left with a fairly entertaining albeit unremarkable "people with special abilities" movie.

One big positive though is Rebecca Ferguson who is incredibly engaging and magnetic throughout.

Underground · 31-10-2019 11:51pm

Saw this tonight. Went in with low expectations (had been watching South Park recently, the episodes with the member berries, so I was very sceptical of this movie going in haha) but was pleasantly surprised.

There's some very enjoyable fan service in there, but not too much of it. Not a particularly scary film, maybe creepy would be a better way to describe it.

I was also pleasantly surprised by the kid actor, she was really good.

There was one particular scene in the movie that I really, really didn't enjoy and thought it was totally unnecessary, apart from that I have very few gripes with it.

Minime2.5 · 01-11-2019 12:22am

RickBlaine wrote: »

One big positive though is Rebecca Ferguson who is incredibly engaging and magnetic throughout.

She's some bird

Outlaw Pete · 01-11-2019 4:58pm

Seen it last night and while it's enjoyable enough, it feels more like something which would have more suitable as a mini series on Netflix maybe. The premise of the story would have been more suitable to that format I feel.

Good few flashbacks to the original but they are quite distracting as there must have been some copyright issues with Jack as his flashback scenes use another actor and are reshot, whereas some of the others are actual scenes from the original.

Worth going to see but a little too messy and don't think it's good enough to have justified the sampling of the original. To have done that I think would have to have had to reach a much higher bar and this film just doesn't do that.

ronano · 01-11-2019 7:27pm

How's the pacing? 2 hrs 30 minutes is allot to ask for a film that isn't a 4/5 it seems

branie2 · 01-11-2019 10:15pm

I really enjoyed it this evening

NomadicGray · 02-11-2019 2:08am

I enjoyed it, especially the little Dark Tower references

I think the only scene reused from the shining was the blood elevator

Plumbthedepths · 02-11-2019 2:14am

I have been a fan of SK since I was 12, read the book honestly wasn't impressed. There was no scary edge of the pillow type stuff in it actually seemed homily and predictable. I don't imagine the movie can surpass the mediocrity of the book. Many I'm sure will disagree but just my own personal opinion.

santana75 · 02-11-2019 7:24am

Saw this yesterday and I was pleasantly surprised. Its a really decent movie. I am a fan of the shining and this did that film justice. Rebecca ferguson is really good and gives a genuinely creepy performance. Ewan mcgregor is solid but that kid is brilliant. Last 15mins or so is very much like the end of the haunting of Hill house. It was only afterwards that I discovered that the same guy who wrote and directed this also did Hill house.

1o059k7ewrqj3n · 03-11-2019 6:43pm

Saw this last night, really enjoyed it. The Shining is a tough act to follow, especially because it's set in one location whereas Doctor Sleep is more expansive and there's a bit more jumping back and forth, but it doesn't lose focus.

I think it's important to note, this is the adaption of King's book, but it's set in Kubrick's universe. In King's book, the Outlook is destroyed at the end. So if you've read Doctor Sleep, just be prepared there will be differences, but I think the differences allow it the adaption to work better on the screen.

Vanessa Ferguson was terrific, McGregor was grand and the young girl did a decent job too. There's some interesting scenes visually, like when Rose does the astral projection.

I just thought that they stepped over from referencing or visual motifs of the Shining to outright copying certain scenes. I think it was done to make a nod towards things looping back around, to things coming full circle and that's great, but certain scenes were framed exactly as they were in the Shining and there wasn't a need because the director did a fine job with his own stuff.

The dead lady with the baby was genuinely disturbing, they could have also gone further with the spirits in the Overlook once they take Rose the Hat. Surely they would have done more to stop Danny.

McDermotX · 04-11-2019 12:26am

Bit soft this unfortunately, speaking as someone who overall enjoyed the book in an easy going 7/10 way.
Never approaches even that unfortunately, but might work better if someone is unfamiliar with it, but then again, it's too long with far too much heavy leaning on The Shining film, so the uninitiated with Kubrick's film will also be missing out. Tough one, but ultimately they need to sell this as a sequel to original film, but it fails in that regard too, let alone an adaptation of the source material or sequel to the original Shining novel.

Interestingly though, it's the focus on being a 'movie' Shining sequel that is probably its biggest failing as the film is at its strongest long before we reach the final third on fits and spurts, taking its time etc, and then we're served a bit of a mess.
McGregor is OK, but not exactly selling it once he cleaned up, and I could look at that Rebecca Ferguson all day even if the ham is overglazed in parts. Like the book, it lacks the creepiness, it lacks the horror, it lacks the dread, but the book at least provided a continuation which appealed to me at the time.

Overall, a tough one to recommend, disappointing for me personally and probably not worth the trip (certainly not for the amount that were walking out during my screening.....very weird).
Perhaps a 5/10

Arghus · 05-11-2019 1:51am

I thought it was good for what it was, stays pretty engaging throughout - maybe the last act pushes a bit too far into the overfamilar.

Ewan is adequate, without being especially mind-blowing, the actress playing the little girl was fantastic. I thought Rebecca Ferguson was okay though she does over ham it in places.

It's not a bad movie, maybe, not essential viewing, but fans of The Shining will enjoy it.

99.9% sure everything they use that's meant to be from the original film - except, maybe, the elevator filled with blood - isn't taken from the original.

Chris_Heilong · 05-11-2019 2:20am

Most people I have talked to seem to have liked it so I will give it a shot.

Tusky · 05-11-2019 11:53am

I thought this was extremely silly and quite poor. Felt more like a fantasy or superhero movie. It actually reminded me of a Twilight film, and then I saw Kermode made the same comparison in his review. It's a bit of a mess.

branie2 · 05-11-2019 7:42pm

I think there was a little reference to Carrie in the school library scene

Seanachai · 06-11-2019 12:33pm

I really enjoyed this, the True Knot were very sinister and Rose was perfectly cast. I was intrigued by the high-tech looking cannisters that the True Knot had, I think they could expand on this in a tv series.

Kunkka · 09-11-2019 8:45pm

Pleasantly surprised watching this last week. Thought the weakest was Rebecca Ferguson though.

GLaDOS · 12-11-2019 10:54am

I quite enjoyed it. Really liked the book (somewhat to my surprise) and thought this was mostly well made, though plenty of differences. I really enjoyed The True Knot as villains in the book and thought they were well depicted here.

Thought the ending over did it a little with all the spooks appearing to take down Rosie and Danny mirroring his father with the limp and the axe. Liked the nod to the end of The Shining novel with the boiler.

Culchie_85 · 12-11-2019 11:33am

I enjoyed it, the first 2/3's were good but the last 1/3 really flagged.

It felt like it was gaining momentum multiple times and would just stop dead in its tracks. I like Mike Flanagan though, a good horror director. He will only get better.

The murder scene of that baseball kid was very disturbing, not often you would see something so horrific even in a R rated studio movie!

Birneybau · 07-03-2020 2:17am

Tusky wrote: »

I thought this was extremely silly and quite poor. Felt more like a fantasy or superhero movie. It actually reminded me of a Twilight film, and then I saw Kermode made the same comparison in his review. It's a bit of a mess.

I've only watched it now, having thought the book was like Twilight. Thought it was absolutely rubbish.

1huge1 · 08-04-2020 5:35pm

Just watched this, having previously read The Shining novel and always been a massive fan of the Kubrick movie.

I am aware of the differences between the Novel and the Film for The Shining (to the annoyance of King if I recall), so its clear that for Flanagan to include the Overlook at the end of this, he had to bring King around by incorporating the ending from The Shining.

The Boiler destroying the hotel and making the ghosts seem more real as opposed the visions of a man gone insane.

Overall, I enjoyed it, there was definitely some fan service which brought a lot of nostalgia for me which was very welcome. It certainly wasn't as scary as Kubricks film, but thats ok, it is more difficuly to do that when the universe for Doctor Sleep is so large in comparison.

Doctor Sleep

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