Women and programming

mr_fegelien · 29-10-2019 10:25PM #1

Why do so few do it? I used to go to a coderdojo in Dun Laoghaire for 10-18yr old and found it interesting how the gender dynamics were equal up until age 14. The only people 15 and over were male. I saw one girl there who was 17 but she only came for one day and never returned..lol.

Are women scared off from programming? It can't be ability because they even surpass men in science/maths in school so you'd actually expect them to be more in programming. Is there really perhaps an innate difference that pushes women away from it or mostly cultural programming of boys and girls?

the beer revolu · 29-10-2019 10:26PM

Perhaps she was scared of you, op.

ToddyDoody · 29-10-2019 10:27PM

Isn't it true that more men do programming because they can watch porn intermittently?

Leg End Reject · 29-10-2019 10:27PM

We'd rather just make sandwiches.

buckwheat · 29-10-2019 10:28PM

It's a bit of a strange one. I did higher Maths and of the 16 in the class the best four by far were girls. 3 A1s among them I think. Not one of them went on to do anything to do with maths or science

Amirani · 29-10-2019 10:29PM

mr_fegelien wrote: »

Are women scared off from programming? It can't be ability because they even surpass men in science/maths in school so you'd actually expect them to be more in programming.

Maths is one of the few (about 4 total I think) subjects that boys outperform girls in Leaving Cert.

That said, good mathematical abilities don't necessarily translate to good programming abilities, and vice versa.

biko · 29-10-2019 10:29PM

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=Women+and+programming+Why+do+so+few+do+it%3F&s=g

enfant terrible · 29-10-2019 10:30PM

mr_fegelien wrote: »

Why do so few do it? I used to go to a coderdojo in Dun Laoghaire for 10-18yr old and found it interesting how the gender dynamics were equal up until age 14. The only people 15 and over were male. I saw one girl there who was 17 but she only came for one day and never returned..lol.

Are women scared off from programming? It can't be ability because they even surpass men in science/maths in school so you'd actually expect them to be more in programming. Is there really perhaps an innate difference that pushes women away from it or mostly cultural programming of boys and girls?

I thought the very best students in most subjects were male.

mr_fegelien · 29-10-2019 10:30PM

buckwheat wrote: »

It's a bit of a strange one. I did higher Maths and of the 16 in the class the best four by far were girls. 3 A1s among them I think. Not one of them went on to do anything to do with maths or science

Were they good at maths/science in particular or perhaps good at studying for subjects in general.

Big difference there...

anewme · 29-10-2019 10:30PM

Leg End Reject wrote: »

We'd rather just make sandwiches.

Programmed to make sandwiches.

Is that programming?

antimatterx · 29-10-2019 10:31PM

The ones iv come across are pretty good.

My manage is female, and she's an incredible engineer.

EL_Loco · 29-10-2019 10:33PM

They begin to wonder why people are so fascinated with them being good at maths and science so they go and do psychology to figure it out.

dxhound2005 · 29-10-2019 10:35PM

mr_fegelien wrote: »

Why do so few do it? I used to go to a coderdojo in Dun Laoghaire for 10-18yr old and found it interesting how the gender dynamics were equal up until age 14. The only people 15 and over were male. I saw one girl there who was 17 but she only came for one day and never returned..lol.

Are women scared off from programming? It can't be ability because they even surpass men in science/maths in school so you'd actually expect them to be more in programming. Is there really perhaps an innate difference that pushes women away from it or mostly cultural programming of boys and girls?

Why do you keep asking questions like this. You are at university, and you should know how to do the research yourself. After Hours people don't care about such things. If it's any help, it is not just in Ireland.

Parents are the main influencers and seem to have difficulty advising their daughters on Science, Technology, Engineering and Maths, and the of lack information and gender stereotypes surrounding the subjects are to blame.

The statistics across the European Union also reflect this with just 6% - 7% percent of technical careers being filled by women.

buckwheat · 29-10-2019 10:35PM

mr_fegelien wrote: »

Were they good at maths/science in particular or perhaps good at studying for subjects in general.

Big difference there...

True. Can't really remember but think they were good all rounders academically. All the same A1s in higher Maths take a certain amount of natural aptitude

Leg End Reject · 29-10-2019 10:36PM

anewme wrote: »

Programmed to make sandwiches.

Is that programming?

Yes, we've been doing it for years. :pac:

ToddyDoody · 29-10-2019 10:38PM

Leg End Reject wrote: »

Yes, we've been doing it for years. :pac:

I can see a Feminist Nazi getting upset.

EL_Loco · 29-10-2019 10:39PM

ToddyDoody wrote: »

I can see a Feminist Nazi getting upset.

through your binoculars or are you in the room with them?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 29-10-2019 10:40PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Why do you keep asking questions like this. You are at university, and you should know how to do the research yourself.

That's a good one. University? I think not!

ToddyDoody · 29-10-2019 10:40PM

EL_Loco wrote: »

through your binoculars or are you in the room with them?

In my mind's eye

anewme · 29-10-2019 10:40PM

EL_Loco wrote: »

through your binoculars or are you in the room with them?

Probably through the Pyschic Hotline.

ToddyDoody · 29-10-2019 10:41PM

anewme wrote: »

Probably through the Pyschic Hotline.

Probably.

Leg End Reject · 29-10-2019 10:42PM

ToddyDoody wrote: »

I can see a Feminist Nazi getting upset.

Not at all, there just isn't any mystery to certain careers being more popular with one gender.

Ubbquittious · 29-10-2019 10:42PM

Hard to imagine it is a cultural thing. I went to college with girls who tried and failed to learn how to program, perhaps it's the way they see and understand the world. They don't want to look at the world in the crude, logical and dispassionate way that lends itself to programming.

mr_fegelien · 29-10-2019 10:43PM

Andrea Tangy Babyhood wrote: »

That's a good one. University? I think not!

This man knows it. I only got 20 points in 2017 and 114 points this year when I repeated. Doing a PLC. If I don't get into college my parents are throwing me out.

anewme · 29-10-2019 10:48PM

mr_fegelien wrote: »

This man knows it. I only got 20 points in 2017 and 114 points this year when I repeated. Doing a PLC. If I don't get into college my parents are throwing me out.

Oh be carefull OP, you must not let this happen.

If you get thrown out, you will be homeless living in a Wendy House and we will be at the massive loss of all these enlightening and educational threads.

mr_fegelien · 29-10-2019 11:01PM

anewme wrote: »

Oh be carefull OP, you must not let this happen.

If you get thrown out, you will be homeless living in a Wendy House and we will be at the massive loss of all these enlightening and educational threads.

Won't happen. I'll drink cyanide before that ever happens..

Leg End Reject · 29-10-2019 11:02PM

mr_fegelien wrote: »

Won't happen. I'll drink cyanide before that ever happens..

Anti-freeze didn't kill you, so good plan.

Ubbquittious · 29-10-2019 11:08PM

I don't buy the gender stereotypes thing. I have seen to many genuinely try to learn it and fail to believe that. One spent about 5 years trying to do electronic engineering and then decided to pack it in and become a nurse

Leg End Reject · 29-10-2019 11:12PM

Ubbquittious wrote: »

I don't buy the gender stereotypes thing. I have seen to many genuinely try to learn it and fail to believe that. One spent about 5 years trying to do electronic engineering and then decided to pack it in and become a nurse

Men and women have different aptitudes, it's not all conditioning and parental influence.

babi-hrse · 29-10-2019 11:21PM

They probably do go into it full of vigour like everyone else then as it gets harder as it does for everyone else maybe men just look at the money whereas they probably look at the lifestyle and become discouraged at the thought of spending countless hours alone in front of the computer getting fatter and stressed. While that does not happen to everyone it increases the likelihood of it happening. They probably stop then as it probably scares them off the idea of being considered successful is sitting in a swivel chair most of the day health falling apart and lessening chances of getting a date and potential mate because work took over. I know not all women want a man or to be married but I think most would always like the option to be open to them. Men tend not to think too hard about things like this with the idea that earn enough money you can fix the rest.

DutchGold98 · 29-10-2019 11:21PM

Ask Jordan Peterson OP, he has some theories on it.

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