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kollegeknight · 23-10-2019 10:37PM

Albert Johnson wrote: »

Given the small bit I know about your family and off farm situation I'd definitely recommend scaling the farming back a bit in the short to medium term. No point burning yourself out trying to keep all sides going for little reward, the land will still be there in a few years and hopefully you'll be better equipped to put your own mark on it.

If neither you or anyone else was dependent on the farm for income then I'd advise cutting the stocking rate to near the bare minimum (50% dry cattle and 50% donkey's perhaps), fence the boundaries and internal drains and basically let them do there own thing. Sell off the best of them whenever the price is right and draw whatever sub is available, low input and low output is the name of the game. Failing this I think the niche market coupled with perhaps entering organic farming would be the next best bet. Thankfully I've realised lately there's more to life than self induced drudgery so look after yourself and those around you and enjoy the land for whatever length it's your domain.

Thanks for the advice. I've a bit to do fencing etc. My minimum stocking rate is about 4.5 so 6/7 allows for exactly what you are saying. I have an heifer that I will share with my brother in the spring for the freezer. and see how that goes. I've no interest in donkeys.

With Glas, ANC and BPS, there as about 16k in payments. That easily keeps mams house running with a few quid for other things.

The cattle sales normally pay for one item a year after the bills but probably not this year.

bogman_bass · 24-10-2019 09:31AM

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Sold a few tonight
3 yellow charolais real nice calves 308kg 885
2 yellow charolais a bit plainer 325kg 835
1 red lim 325kg 800
1 mousey charolais 340kg 800
1 white charolais 375kg 855.
Happy enough considering the current state of the cattle trade.

That mouses lad was every bit the bull the yellow ones were but the buyers are willing to pay a premium for the colour.

I would never bid on a charolais for that very reason

tellmeabit · 24-10-2019 10:23AM

Sold couple last night. April born. Plain bull weighted 265kg made 590. And good shaped bull weighted 335kg made 770. Orange Lms off ch cows

Normally hold on to them for 10 months to a year. But no room this year. Have heifers to go but thinking I will try hold on to them. Well weighing up options anyways ha

kollegeknight · 24-10-2019 10:40AM

tellmeabit wrote: »

Sold couple last night. April born. Plain bull weighted 265kg made 590. And good shaped bull weighted 335kg made 770. Orange Lms off ch cows

Normally hold on to them for 10 months to a year. But no room this year. Have heifers to go but thinking I will try hold on to them. Well weighing up options anyways ha

Jaysus prices are tough. Where was that?

tellmeabit · 24-10-2019 10:54AM

kollegeknight wrote: »

Jaysus prices are tough. Where was that?

Gortalea. Heavy lads 450kg + didn't make €2/kg

Some nice stock around 330kg made €2.5/kg

Felt dirty on way home after prices you'd be used to

kollegeknight · 24-10-2019 11:11AM

tellmeabit wrote: »

Gortalea. Heavy lads 450kg + didn't make €2/kg

Some nice stock around 330kg made €2.5/kg

Felt dirty on way home after prices you'd be used to

That’s exactly the description- dirty. You’d wonder the direction things will go.

Bass Reeves · 24-10-2019 11:27AM

kollegeknight wrote: »

That’s exactly the description- dirty. You’d wonder the direction things will go.

A 400 kg bullock DW killing R+ us netting 1475 euro approximately. He be 740 LW. Throw in 200 euro for ration if killing at 24 months. Not much light at the end of the tunnel there

Robson99 · 24-10-2019 11:40AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

A 400 kg bullock DW killing R+ us netting 1475 euro approximately. He be 740 LW. Throw in 200 euro for ration if killing at 24 months. Not much light at the end of the tunnel there

Spot on with figures Bass.
The replacement for him assuming he bought now would prob want to be 450 kg approx and bought at €900 if things the same next year to leave a small margin

Bleating Lamb · 24-10-2019 01:20PM

bogman_bass wrote: »

That mouses lad was every bit the bull the yellow ones were but the buyers are willing to pay a premium for the colour.

I would never bid on a charolais for that very
reason

I was in the company of a Cattle Buyer for feedlots in Belgium around 10 years ago,at time he was buying e and u grade weanlings in NW of Ireland for export and finishing in Belgium.I would have had good quality Charolais weanlings off SH and Chx cows which he saw on land.I remember I had around 3 cows with AA blood or Black LM cross in them.
Their calves were ‘mousey’’ in colour but were nice calves as well.
He said at time that he would buy any of my bull weanlings apart from the mousey ones.I asked him why they were disliked...... and he said that when killed they have a higher fat % than ‘goldie’ cattle and in general don’t perform as well as regards weight gain in feedlot as compared to ‘goldie’ continental calves.

I thought this was v interesting at the time as this fella knew his stuff and was dealing in large numbers of cattle every week.

josephsoap · 24-10-2019 04:49PM

Is there much of a demand for incalf sucklers heifers at the moment ?

adne · 24-10-2019 05:27PM

josephsoap wrote: »

Is there much of a demand for incalf sucklers heifers at the moment ?

Ya seen gr8 quality in calfs with doubts about milk making 2k plus in elphin. Makes no sense

josephsoap · 24-10-2019 05:37PM

adne wrote: »

Ya seen gr8 quality in calfs with doubts about milk making 2k plus in elphin. Makes no sense

It really is bonkers when you see great quality weanlings just about making €800.

Have a good few cows that didn’t go incalf this year and I’m looking for replacements- I think 1400 - 1500 would be a good price this year but like that good quality ones would probably be going up to €2000.

Economically, it probably isn’t even worth purchasing replacements

Albert Johnson · 24-10-2019 06:32PM

josephsoap wrote: »

Is there much of a demand for incalf sucklers heifers at the moment ?

It depends on the quality of the heifers and how near they are to calving. The flashy, fleshy U grade types will be €1600 and upwards (the sky is the limit after that, look at Martin O'Connor's sale for example) but you should buy a nice natural type heifer for circa €1300-1500 that will be calving before Christmas. I'd try to avoid special sale's from noted seller's as there usually akin to a circus and have no correlation to the actual cattle trade atm.

I attended the special springer sale in Dowra last night and I thought the trade ranged from good to off the scale dear. The clearance sale of cows and calves at the start was a total rob imo, average type outfits coming off a great place making serious money given the current trade. An average quality handy sized 12 born Shx cow with a middling LMx bull calf maybe 280kg and the cow scanned 4-5 months back to the same bull made €1910. I thought her €400 too dear at least, the calf is worth perhaps €600 and the cow €900 makes €1500 by my maths, total lunacy imo. That was only one example and everyone of them was sold.

Hard Knocks · 24-10-2019 06:33PM

josephsoap wrote: »

It really is bonkers when you see great quality weanlings just about making €800.

Have a good few cows that didn’t go incalf this year and I’m looking for replacements- I think 1400 - 1500 would be a good price this year but like that good quality ones would probably be going up to €2000.

Economically, it probably isn’t even worth purchasing replacements

Just when you say that
Chatting a suckler farmer with SI bull, this year his calves are 14 heifers and 1 bull
He sells the heifers incalf for €1800-2200
A neighbour called and has prebooked 9 of this year’s weanlings with deposit paid

Keep Sluicing · 24-10-2019 10:13PM

Was in Kilkenny mart today. Good chx bulloks 450kg+ were just making €2 to 2.05/kg. Not as good limos struggling to get anyway near €2/kg

Lighter bullocks around 350kgs around €2.50/kg

memorystick · 24-10-2019 11:29PM

Just back from Ballinakill. Prices all over the place. It’s hard to judge the price of the next one when you see what the last one made.

Good loser · 25-10-2019 12:21AM

See Matt Dempsey in IFJ tonight said sales of beef in the UK over the Summer were down 13%.
That's worrying.

Appears too China only allows under 30 month beef.

memorystick · 26-10-2019 08:23AM

Stupid question. Would a lad be better buy nice Lm bulls at 350kg for €700 to €800 or bucket reared Hrx heifers at half that money. Going to keep until either until slaughter.

Bass Reeves · 26-10-2019 08:39AM

memorystick wrote: »

Stupid question. Would a lad be better buy nice Lm bulls at 350kg for €700 to €800 or bucket reared Hrx heifers at half that money. Going to keep until either until slaughter.

It would depend on what you were doing. If carrying to finish the maths on both might be the same. However I expect that you can but goo Hex bulls for half the price I be going that way

memorystick · 26-10-2019 08:42AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

It would depend on what you were doing. If carrying to finish the maths on both might be the same. However I expect that you can but goo Hex bulls for half the price I be going that way

I meant Hrx heifers. Plenty out there at handy money

Bass Reeves · 26-10-2019 08:51AM

memorystick wrote: »

I meant Hrx heifers. Plenty out there at handy money

I opt for bulls as you have an animal that will grow faster.

Can you get the LM bullock to slaughter at 350DW next autumn. At present prices he would make 1300 euro. It will not pay to winter finish and he be too heave in summer 2021.

A HE heifer will struggle to kill 250 Christmas 12 months at present prices she would net 930.

Bass Reeves · 26-10-2019 09:00AM

However value in stores is better. You will buy good 450kg LM store bullocks for 1.8/kg. TheY would kill 360-370 kgs in late August at present prices they net 1350 euro. However you would have a better chance of getting a higher price in early August than in November/December

Cavanjack · 26-10-2019 12:42PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

However value in stores is better. You will buy good 450kg LM store bullocks for 1.8/kg. TheY would kill 360-370 kgs in late August at present prices they net 1350 euro. However you would have a better chance of getting a higher price in early August than in November/December

Hard to buy a good limo up this country at that money

Cavanjack · 26-10-2019 12:48PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

However value in stores is better. You will buy good 450kg LM store bullocks for 1.8/kg. TheY would kill 360-370 kgs in late August at present prices they net 1350 euro. However you would have a better chance of getting a higher price in early August than in November/December

Hard to buy a good limo up this country at that money

Butcher Boy · 26-10-2019 12:55PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

However value in stores is better. You will buy good 450kg LM store bullocks for 1.8/kg. TheY would kill 360-370 kgs in late August at present prices they net 1350 euro. However you would have a better chance of getting a higher price in early August than in November/December

you wont buy them in macroom today for 180 akg anything nice are making 2 and over .

fanmanad · 26-10-2019 08:55PM

Sold a few weanling bulls today
Ch 387kg 950. Feb
Ch 449kg 1055. Jan
Ch 360kg 835. Feb
Ch 375kg 900. Mar
Ch 343kg 805. Mar
Ch 344kg 865. Mar
BB 350kg 800. Feb

A few € down on last year but happy enough

Water John · 27-10-2019 12:33PM

Bought a few weanling bulls Sat in Macroom. Ch bull on Ch cows, organic stock.
Ch 4 x 388kg €870
Ch 4 x 318kg €855

Might not have gone that far on the lighter ones, but comrades of the other lot.
Probably competing with exporters for them.

Muckit · 27-10-2019 09:26PM

Had a quick look at weanlings in Bsloe Sat.

Bulls seem to be doing better than heifers. Good middle of the road cont heifers doing the €2/kg. Tops around €2.40. Place was empty. No bother get a spot around the ring. I left as l came.

valtra2 · 28-10-2019 08:27PM

Just sold last of the bulls tonight. Bit better than a month ago. All gone now at 930 average 90 back on last year.

valtra2 · 28-10-2019 08:40PM

Tonight's ones

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