39 people found dead in trailer in UK

4068ac1elhodqr · 25-10-2019 08:01PM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

The fact that 39 people suffocated or froze to death inside a refrigerated trailer trying to get in to the UK would indicate to me that the borders have already been strengthened tbh, illegals will find it fairly difficult to saunter right into here, the UK, or many other western countries.

Unless thousands more Border Patrol staff are hired and the quota of checking just 1 out of every 3-400 containers increases, can't see it anytime soon as demand increases with globalisation.

Then there's bargain flights, small vans (co. laois twice had small gangs leap out of small trucks and vanish into thin air), regular sailings, and even self propelled dingies/small craft.
- Maritime authorities in northern France say over 1,400 migrants have tried to reach Britain’s shores by sea between January and August this year, compared with just 586 for the whole of 2018.

PokeHerKing · 25-10-2019 08:06PM

All four people arrested are Irish according to the Irish Times.

scamalert · 25-10-2019 08:21PM

fact that those people werent dropped of anywhere in EU at some field, for me shows that those were poor class conned slaves.

if 30k is to be believed and people cant figure out getting paperwork to get to UK makes no sense.

as to take 39 people one would have clear idea where they will be used, so shows large criminal enterprise, not some few middle class runners employed to carry task of bringing em in and be done.

John_Rambo · 25-10-2019 08:32PM

Danzy wrote: »

The moderm Left will accuse anyone doing that of racism though.

I think this event is just too tragic for petty agenda's and point scoring. 39 lives were unnecessarily lost. Left, Middle and Right are shocked and saddened.

BorneTobyWilde · 25-10-2019 08:46PM

I think there is a method at ports to detect carbon dioxide in trailers, hence the use of a seal refrigerated trailer so avoid the breathe of people escaping into those detectors. But surely they'd have know that air would run out.
They should have put oxygen tanks in with them to keep them alive.

Doctors room ghost · 25-10-2019 08:48PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I think there is a method at ports to detect carbon dioxide in trailers, hence the use of a seal refrigerated trailer so avoid the breathe of people escaping into those detectors. But surely they'd have know that air would run out.
They should have put oxygen tanks in with them to keep them alive.

Yes they stick in a hand held probe and it measures carbon dioxide.simple enough gadget looks like a breathalyser

McMurphy · 25-10-2019 08:52PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I think there is a method at ports to detect carbon dioxide in trailers, hence the use of a seal refrigerated trailer so avoid the breathe of people escaping into those detectors. But surely they'd have know that air would run out.
They should have put oxygen tanks in with them to keep them alive.

What about the -25° temperature though?

John_Rambo · 25-10-2019 08:53PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I think there is a method at ports to detect carbon dioxide in trailers, hence the use of a seal refrigerated trailer so avoid the breathe of people escaping into those detectors. But surely they'd have know that air would run out.
They should have put oxygen tanks in with them to keep them alive.

Hypothermia hasn't been mentioned here and it's unavoidable in the cold conditions which were more than likely used to make the victims undetectable. Even with oxygen they would have struggled to remain alive. It could have been a major factor.

BorneTobyWilde · 25-10-2019 08:56PM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

What about the -25° temperature though?

Did the Reefer kick in on a timer, is that what killed them or lack of air. Judging by texts it was lack of air.

McMurphy · 25-10-2019 09:05PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Did the Reefer kick in on a timer, is that what killed them or lack of air. Judging by texts it was lack of air.

Pretty sure I read they were found frozen to death in the media, but in fairness there's loads of conflicting reports.

pinkyeye · 25-10-2019 09:08PM

dd973 wrote: »

Won't be the last time such a thing happens, the UK, especially the big English cities and the South East are uniquely vulnerable to mass migration, no language, bureaucracy or culture to get past or navigate as you'd have to in Denmark or Austria. Other nations, even us, to a certain extent play by the rules. Over there is a bottomless pit of toilets like Hounslow, Luton, Slough, Hayes, Wembley, Handsworth, Leicester, Salford, Brent, Tower Hamlets, Bradford et al to vanish into and live in the shadow economy that Blighty Plc admonishes on one hand and actively encourages on the other, cheap labour, uber drivers, etc.

The composition of the UK nation state as well is a factor, most countries are ethnocentric in the sense of having to be from there or naturalised there in order to hold it's passport and call yourself Irish, Dutch, German, Portuguese, etc, 'British' or 'UK' is a nothing no-mark nationality, why shouldn't an Englishman for example have an English passport and a Scot, a Scottish one? British Nationalists abhor such a notion because of the hornet's nest it would open up.

What an absolute load of verbal diiarrhoea. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

buttercups88 · 25-10-2019 09:24PM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Pretty sure I read they were found frozen to death in the media, but in fairness there's loads of conflicting reports.

I thought the same and that was the reasoning the bodies had to be taken away still in the trailer.

pinkyeye · 25-10-2019 09:24PM

partyguinness wrote: »

While we do not have the full story, the victims are unlikely to be the 'poorest of the poor'. The poorest of the poor are simply too poor to be able to afford to buy their way out.

You have to raise significant cash to pay for this- you can only do that if you have capital and family to help. Likely to be from lower middle class/upper working class families. Sure, 'poor' by our standards but not necessarily in Vietnam or China etc.

The figure being thrown around is £30k. Let's put it this way, how many of us here could rustle up £30k.

Ah so they're only middle class people, doesn't matter if they're dead so?

Charles Babbage · 25-10-2019 09:28PM

pinkyeye wrote: »

Ah so they're only middle class people, doesn't matter if they're dead so?

Of course it matters if they are dead. But these people did not choose to break the law out of some absolute necessity, but because it suited their lifestyle.

MadYaker · 25-10-2019 09:29PM

If they were frozen the driver probably heard them clunking around in the back.

Likeabossboss · 25-10-2019 09:31PM

Excuse my ignorance but why didn’t they just fly in? There’s no legal barriers to fly from Vietnam to the UK bar a holiday Visa.

Was it that they were arrested in their home country or previously outstayed their holiday visa in the UK or what?

BorneTobyWilde · 25-10-2019 09:33PM

Must be the name that draws them

UNITED KINGDOM

Must be told it's a magical place with streets paved with gold.

ChikiChiki · 25-10-2019 09:36PM

This is going around in my head since I first heard about it. The fear the poor buggers must have felt is unfathomable. I hope the scum that did this suffer greatly for their actions. Horrific.

The people in Vietnam although poorer seem a lot happier in my opinion than people over this direction. What warped dreams are they being sold about the British Isles being some sort of paradise.

buttercups88 · 25-10-2019 09:53PM

At first I thought he had nothing to do with it but now I'm thinking he was involved, maybe his first time doing it and with twins on the way (,according to media) he might have naively thought it would be a quick way to earn extra money.
When he arrived to pick up the TRAILER and noticed the refrigeration unit on he pulled into the first place he could to check on the people inside and when he saw them he probably did faint in shock.

That's just my two cents anyway but I'm no detective so maybe he is completely innocent, only time will tell

Quantum Erasure · 25-10-2019 10:12PM

buttercups88 wrote: »

I thought the same and that was the reasoning the bodies had to be taken away still in the trailer.

maybe it was just handier, more practical, to transport them in the refrigerated container

Calypso Realm · 25-10-2019 10:37PM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

maybe it was just handier, more practical, to transport them in the refrigerated container

Agree. Also too much press intrusion in the first location as well. After all they were first transported to Tilbury where ambulances have been transferring the bodies to the hospital in Chelmsfort in small numbers all day.

No Bills · 25-10-2019 10:41PM

The timeline (gathered from various media reports) for the victims' journey in the refrigerated trailer seems to be something like this: They got into the trailer at 07.30am on Tuesday the 22nd, the trailer was driven to Zeebrugge, the trailer was eventually loaded onto a ship which departed at 16.30 on Tue 22nd. The ship arrived at Purfleet after midnight (now Wed 23rd). The trailer was collected at around 01.00am and driven a short distance (about 3kms) to the place where the trailer was opened and the 39 people were found dead at 01.40.

micar · 25-10-2019 10:51PM

No Bills wrote: »

The trailer was collected at around 01.00am and driven a short distance (about 3kms) to the place where the trailer was opened and the 39 people were found dead at 01.40.

From what has been released, it was the driver of the lorry who called the police.

I don't get what prompted the driver of the lorry to stop on the side of the road to then open the back up.

jay0109 · 25-10-2019 10:53PM

micar wrote: »

From what has been released, it was the driver of the lorry who called the police.

I don't get what prompted the driver of the lorry to stop on the side of the road to then open the back up.

Perhaps that's where he planned to let them out? Maybe there was someone else there with other transport to move them on to their final destination?
Why was he opening the lorry at 1.40am in a deserted industrial estate?

RandomName2 · 25-10-2019 11:24PM

Horrific way to die. This is a really gruesome and troubling event.

There's a couple of pressing questions.

What is the nature of the organized syndicate working in England/Ireland?
Where did the lorry actually originate from? The trafficked individuals were from the far east - presumably they couldn't have been travelling in this truck from Asia, right?
How long have operations of this sort been going on? Have there been any previous fatalities that went unreported or were by some means covered up by the criminals in question?
What was the plan for when the trafficked individuals reached England (did they even know the truck was bound for England?) Were they going to be put into positions of effectively slavery, or did they have family connections through which to find accommodation and work?

Allinall · 25-10-2019 11:27PM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Of course it matters if they are dead. But these people did not choose to break the law out of some absolute necessity, but because it suited their lifestyle.

How do you know that?

Quantum Erasure · 25-10-2019 11:33PM

don't know if this was posted on the thread already

Last text of woman feared among 39 dead in Essex lorry trailer revealed

Hoa Nghiem, a Hanoi-based activist with Human Rights Space, shared a screenshot and a translation of the message, which read: “I’m sorry Mom. My path to abroad doesn’t succeed. Mom, I love you so much! I’m dying bcoz I can’t breath... I’m from Nghen, Can Loc, Ha Tinh, Vietnam... I am sorry, Mom”.

The text was sent at 4.28am on Wednesday in Vietnam, the screenshot shows. In Britain that was 10.28pm, at which time the trailer was in transit between Zebrugge and Purrfleet.

Also, 'Smugglers have returned deposits paid by families of suspected victims, according to the BBC.' which is surprising, to say the least

here:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-50185788

The BBC also knows of two other Vietnamese nationals who are missing - a 26-year-old man and a 19-year-old woman.

The brother of the 19-year-old said his sister called him at 07:20 Belgian local time (06:20 BST) on Tuesday, saying she was getting into a container and was turning off her phone to avoid detection.

He has not heard from her since.

He said a people smuggler returned money to the family overnight, and the family of the 26-year-old who she was travelling with also received money back.

FrancieBrady · 25-10-2019 11:37PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

Horrific way to die. This is a really gruesome and troubling event.

There's a couple of pressing questions.
What is the nature of the organized syndicate working in England/Ireland?

Where did the lorry actually originate from? The trafficked individuals were from the far east - presumably they couldn't have been travelling in this truck from Asia, right?

How long have operations of this sort been going on? Have there been any previous fatalities that went unreported or were by some means covered up by the criminals in question?

What was the plan for when the trafficked individuals reached England (did they even know the truck was bound for England?) Were they going to be put into positions of effectively slavery, or did they have family connections through which to find accommodation and work?

There were reports that they flew into Europe somewhere.

Your other questions are unknowable's and may never be known.

buttercups88 · 25-10-2019 11:39PM

Some very gruesome reading here but seems to have detailed time line

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/migrants-left-bloodied-handprints-essex-17150533

lola85 · 25-10-2019 11:59PM

Likeabossboss wrote: »

Excuse my ignorance but why didn’t they just fly in? There’s no legal barriers to fly from Vietnam to the UK bar a holiday Visa.

Was it that they were arrested in their home country or previously outstayed their holiday visa in the UK or what?

Good question

39 people found dead in trailer in UK

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