Who would best represent Waterford in the next general election?

friendlyfun · 22-10-2019 8:32am #1

The next general election is going to be less than a year away so maybe we can have a discussion on who would seem like a good candidate. Eddie Mulligan seems to have a couple of posts around the town for it. I assume David Cullinane will seek re-election.

Paudie obviously on FG ticket. Number of other FG councillors looking for a second seat too.

fricatus · 22-10-2019 10:36am

friendlyfun wrote: »

The next general election is going to be less than a year away so maybe we can have a discussion on who would seem like a good candidate. Eddie Mulligan seems to have a couple of posts around the town for it. I assume David Cullinane will seek re-election.

Paudie obviously on FG ticket. Number of other FG councillors looking for a second seat too.

Paudie Coffey, Eddie Mulligan and David Cullinane. I’m very lukewarm on all three of their parties generally, but I think they’re all good people. John Halligan is a genuine hard worker too, but I think the work he does doesn’t translate well to the Oireachtas. Anyone would be better than John Deasy anyway. He’ll probably fcuk off back to the States anyway because he seems to be more interested in America than he is in Ireland.

BBM77 · 22-10-2019 7:23pm

The way I feel at the moment I'd vote for a trained chimp if he or she was guaranteed to be made a full minister. And we might get some government funding moving here for a change.

invara · 22-10-2019 8:01pm

Whatever about the runners and riders.... dealthly silence from the parties in terms of promises is ominous ....

Jerry Atrick · 22-10-2019 8:03pm

The electorate in Waterford got what they voted for when they ripped Coffey out of his junior ministry. Absolute pack of fools down here and whinging now cos we've had no constructive representation since.

kayaksurfbum · 22-10-2019 8:07pm

New blood all the way for me.
Definitely no independents.

Muttley79 · 22-10-2019 10:03pm

John Cummins laying claim his got a ticket to run for the next election,are they going for 3 seats in Waterford?lets be honest Fine Gael are no friends of Waterford and we have been neglected long enough and some big projects proposed for here seem to be threatened due to Fine Gael not committing to Waterford,hope they get a big spanking in the elections

friendlyfun · 22-10-2019 10:36pm

Fine Gael running three now Cummins, Coffey and Geoghegan.

Aquos76 · 22-10-2019 11:02pm

Personally I wouldn't be a fan of John Cummins at all, and I don't think he will get enough city votes to get elected, Paudie Coffey should get back in, he should never have lost his seat in the first place, as will David Cullinane, possible Damien Geoghegan in the West, mind you, he might do well to get votes from Deasy supporters as there is no love lost between them both.

The remaining seat will be between Eddie Mulligan, Mary Butler, Matt Shanahan and John Halligan, that is if the last two decide to run. I think electing someone on a single issue would be a huge mistake and a waste of a seat too, but given how well Matt Shanahan polled in the local elections, he would definitely be the front runner. I'd have Eddie Mulligan over Mary Butler all day long.

hardybuck · 23-10-2019 12:00am

Could be a tasty local battle between Coffey and Butler in Portlaw. I think Coffee puts Butler under pressure there and would need votes from elsewhere in the county - but I could be wrong. Gamble for FF to run a second candidate or not in the circumstances.

I don't think Cummins gets on that ticket if he lives anywhere else but Waterford City. Didn't do great at the local elections - albeit a different ball game.

Also interesting to see if the Green Wave returns. Should Grace O'Sullivan run she could definitely take a seat.

If she doesn't, would expect a battle between Shanahan and Halligan for 4th, on the basis that FF, SF and FG all take a seat each.

fricatus · 23-10-2019 12:15am

hardybuck wrote: »

Also interesting to see if the Green Wave returns. Should Grace O'Sullivan run she could definitely take a seat.

Marc Ó Cathasaigh is their candidate I believe. Would make sense as a Grace is an MEP - I’m not sure she can run in a GE. Maybe she could but then would probably have to give up her European seat if elected.

hardybuck · 23-10-2019 12:18am

fricatus wrote: »

Marc Ó Cathasaigh is their candidate I believe. Would make sense as a Grace is an MEP - I’m not sure she can run in a GE. Maybe she could but then would probably have to give up her European seat if elected.

MEPs have run and won GE seats. Like a councillor in the same situation their seat is coopted to someone else if they're successful.

Pretty sure Joe Costello did that and gave his seat to Paul Murphy.

Crusty Blaa · 23-10-2019 12:22am

Marc O Cathasaigh selected as the Green candidate going by his Twitter post.

Doubt Coffey will be overly pleased with FG’s decisions to run 3. Be interesting to see how that pans out.

hardybuck · 23-10-2019 12:24am

Crusty Blaa wrote: »

Marc O Cathasaigh selected as the Green candidate going by his Twitter post.

Got a lot of votes in Tramore - could be a dark horse and outside bet for fourth seat.

wagtail99 · 23-10-2019 1:28am

I am surprised at people predicting that Butler will be in a fight for the 4th seat. She topped the poll last time and exceeded the quorta on the 1st count. Voters also didn't seem to particularily punish the anti-abortion councillors at the last local elections, so her stance on that unfortunately may not be an issue for the Waterford electorate.
FG probably running 3 candidates because Geoghegan likely indicated he would run as an independent if he wasn't on the FG ticket.
I can see The Greens increasing their vote, from the 4% last time, but not enough to take a seat.
If Labour run a good candidate they could threaten either Halligan's (most likely) or Cullinane's seat.
I predict Butler, Coffey, and 2 from Halligan/Cullinane/Labour.

Stopitwillya · 23-10-2019 5:05am

wagtail99 wrote: »

I am surprised at people predicting that Butler will be in a fight for the 4th seat. She topped the poll last time and exceeded the quorta on the 1st count. Voters also didn't seem to particularily punish the anti-abortion councillors at the last local elections, so her stance on that unfortunately may not be an issue for the Waterford electorate.
FG probably running 3 candidates because Geoghegan likely indicated he would run as an independent if he wasn't on the FG ticket.
I can see The Greens increasing their vote, from the 4% last time, but not enough to take a seat.
If Labour run a good candidate they could threaten either Halligan's (most likely) or Cullinane's seat.
I predict Butler, Coffey, and 2 from Halligan/Cullinane/Labour.

Butler topped poll mainly due to lies about 24/7. That and her poor performance means she shouldn't get in this time. Likewise halligan will struggle if he runs. Surely people can't vote for these two again.
Can't see labour getting in either.
Shanahan and the green lad to throw a spanner in the works for the established parties.

Wanderer78 · 23-10-2019 6:50am

Crusty Blaa wrote:

Marc O Cathasaigh selected as the Green candidate going by his Twitter post.

Mark will be getting my vote, but unfortunately I feel we re not really ready for change yet

debok · 23-10-2019 10:03am

wagtail99 wrote: »

I am surprised at people predicting that Butler will be in a fight for the 4th seat. She topped the poll last time and exceeded the quorta on the 1st count. Voters also didn't seem to particularily punish the anti-abortion councillors at the last local elections, so her stance on that unfortunately may not be an issue for the Waterford electorate.
FG probably running 3 candidates because Geoghegan likely indicated he would run as an independent if he wasn't on the FG ticket.
I can see The Greens increasing their vote, from the 4% last time, but not enough to take a seat.
If Labour run a good candidate they could threaten either Halligan's (most likely) or Cullinane's seat.
I predict Butler, Coffey, and 2 from Halligan/Cullinane/Labour.

I don't get this punish them because of anti abortion stance. In fairness they all came out and said they were anti abortion. They were honest about there opinion. It's all the other shìt they should be punished for. Butler and halligan should be gone anything they seem to promise on doesn't get delivered or gets seriously watered down. We need Coffey because fine Gael will still be in government. David cullinanne does his best but will never be in government. Mulligan might be better bet than butler but methinks he's going national for the mulla. Halligan will still have his base support whether it will be enough this time is another thing.ya can't predict west of the county because there stupid loyalty Gabe us that clown deasy for the last 20 years.

Gael23 · 23-10-2019 10:09am

John Halligan is burnt toast. I don’t expect him to run really.
What’s going to be really interesting is where the Deasy vote goes, it is not all a Fine Gael vote so not necessarily going to stay with Damien Geoghan

hardybuck · 23-10-2019 10:19am

Gael23 wrote: »

John Halligan is burnt toast. I don’t expect him to run really.
What’s going to be really interesting is where the Deasy vote goes, it is not all a Fine Gael vote so not necessarily going to stay with Damien Geoghan

He'll also be 65 by the time an election happens - it would be understandable if he was considering retirement.

Dunmoreroader · 23-10-2019 11:22am

Never underestimate how set in their ways a big proportion of mainly rural voters are i.e. still voting a binary civil war FG/FF choice. So even though the city voted FF completely out of office in 1 election in the past 10-15 years because of their neglect of the city (Cullen the exception) and ruination of the nation, the rural vote will keep them in office.
Same goes for FG; if they'll vote for Deasy, they'll vote for anyone once their a Blueshirt.
The neglect of Waterford and our big aspirations for University status, a properly functioning and resourced acute regional hospital, airport, North Quays, IDA investment etc. etc. draws a 'meeh' from this type of voter. They will still stick their X beside an F_ on the ballot paper.

hardybuck · 23-10-2019 11:40am

Dunmoreroader wrote: »

Never underestimate how set in their ways a big proportion of mainly rural voters are i.e. still voting a binary civil war FG/FF choice. So even though the city voted FF completely out of office in 1 election in the past 10-15 years because of their neglect of the city (Cullen the exception) and ruination of the nation, the rural vote will keep them in office.
Same goes for FG; if they'll vote for Deasy, they'll vote for anyone once their a Blueshirt.
The neglect of Waterford and our big aspirations for University status, a properly functioning and resourced acute regional hospital, airport, North Quays, IDA investment etc. etc. draws a 'meeh' from this type of voter. They will still stick their X beside an F_ on the ballot paper.

You also have to look at the quality of candidates coming forward for selection in Waterford. We haven't seen the quality seen in other parts of the country, which impacts the representation Waterford gets.

barneystinson · 23-10-2019 11:54am

David Cullinane seems to be our most competent / capable representative, it’s just a pity he’s a shinner and therefore unlikely to be in a position to do any more than keep the others on their toes.

Gave Mary Butler a vote last time around but won’t be making that mistake again.

dark crystal · 29-10-2019 10:23am

barneystinson wrote: »

Gave Mary Butler a vote last time around but won’t be making that mistake again.

Good to hear! I hope she's consigned to the dustbin of history this time round. :mad:

Are the Social Democrats not running any candidates in Waterford at all?

Cabaal · 29-10-2019 11:50am

barneystinson wrote: »

Gave Mary Butler a vote last time around but won’t be making that mistake again.

Yeah, there's something about a person who will try to undermine a landslide referdunem result via a number of means, like this
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/call-for-referendum-on-taxpayers-funding-abortion-services-1.3667052

Its hard to trust such a person.....

Oh and course there's this :pac:

hardybuck · 29-10-2019 12:05pm

Why it obviously works as she got elected, wouldn't you think that candidates would say something less definitive, e.g. I'll work tirelessly to seek the return of 24/7 etc.?

It's up to the citizen to hold them accountable though of course.

Cabaal · 29-10-2019 1:28pm

hardybuck wrote: »

Why it obviously works as she got elected, wouldn't you think that candidates would say something less definitive, e.g. I'll work tirelessly to seek the return of 24/7 etc.?

It's up to the citizen to hold them accountable though of course.

Like any candidate regardless of party they are going to pick the soundbite which sounds the best, after all which sounds better to you.

"I'll try get 24/7 care in Waterford"
"I will get 24/7 care in Waterford"

Majority will pick the person who says they will,

hardybuck · 29-10-2019 1:47pm

Cabaal wrote: »

Like any candidate regardless of party they are going to pick the soundbite which sounds the best, after all which sounds better to you.

"I'll try get 24/7 care in Waterford"
"I will get 24/7 care in Waterford"

Majority will pick the person who says they will,

Agreed but the it is important for individuals to interrogate the soundbites, or even briefly consider whether they are realistic.

Most of the claims made by candidates for local elections had little or no relevance to the role of Councillors and the business of the local authority.

Do the majority of the public have a good understanding of the role of their local representatives (either TDs or Councillors) and what they can influence - absolutely not it would appear.

The public will ask for better information, which is fair enough, but the average man and woman in the street needs to take more responsibility for educating themselves on current affairs in my opinion.

Cabaal · 29-10-2019 2:28pm

hardybuck wrote: »

Agreed but the it is important for individuals to interrogate the soundbites, or even briefly consider whether they are realistic.

Most of the claims made by candidates for local elections had little or no relevance to the role of Councillors and the business of the local authority.

Do the majority of the public have a good understanding of the role of their local representatives (either TDs or Councillors) and what they can influence - absolutely not it would appear.

The public will ask for better information, which is fair enough, but the average man and woman in the street needs to take more responsibility for educating themselves on current affairs in my opinion.

Couldn't agree more,
The water charges fiasco is a perfect example of how the general public fail to educate themselves and would rather blame those who they elect rather then admit to themselves that they failed to do one basic thing we should do before voting...inform yourself!

FG made it clear in their manifesto that they intended to bring in water charges, they got voted in by a large majority at the time and then when they try to follow through on their manifesto people are outraged
:rolleyes:

On council level its even sillier, people accept all sorts of silly promises the person will never have any control or input over.

vriesmays · 29-10-2019 6:21pm

http://www.munster-express.ie/front-page-news/investment-fund-seeks-possession-of-cllr%E2%80%99s-home/

Gardner · 31-10-2019 10:31am

vriesmays wrote: »

http://www.munster-express.ie/front-page-news/investment-fund-seeks-possession-of-cllr%E2%80%99s-home/

few months old, any update?

friendlyfun · 31-10-2019 10:53am

Cabaal wrote: »

Couldn't agree more,
The water charges fiasco is a perfect example of how the general public fail to educate themselves and would rather blame those who they elect rather then admit to themselves that they failed to do one basic thing we should do before voting...inform yourself!

FG made it clear in their manifesto that they intended to bring in water charges, they got voted in by a large majority at the time and then when they try to follow through on their manifesto people are outraged
:rolleyes:

On council level its even sillier, people accept all sorts of silly promises the person will never have any control or input over.

In fairness I doubt it was FG supporters who were out in their droves against water charges

sunnysoutheast · 31-10-2019 10:00pm

Anybody who will have a significant cabinet post in the next government.

At the moment that looks like Paudie Coffey.

It's not the way I'd want the country to be run, but let's face it that's how it works.

hardybuck · 01-11-2019 10:58am

sunnysoutheast wrote: »

Anybody who will have a significant cabinet post in the next government.

At the moment that looks like Paudie Coffey.

It's not the way I'd want the country to be run, but let's face it that's how it works.

Coffey I reckon is quite unlikely to get a Cabinet post, initially at least, but would be a candidate for Minister of State.

vriesmays · 01-11-2019 5:38pm

https://www.thejournal.ie/waterford-psychiatric-unit-overcrowding-4875318-Nov2019/

DLS_75 · 01-11-2019 5:44pm

That’s the problem in this city, all we have is TDs condemning things and not actually doing any work

sunnysoutheast · 01-11-2019 6:48pm

hardybuck wrote: »

Coffey I reckon is quite unlikely to get a Cabinet post, initially at least, but would be a candidate for Minister of State.

Yeah that's probably a fair point. It's a pity he wasn't elected last time round from the point of view of progressing local projects. Shortsighted really. Wouldn't be surprised to see the same thing happen again though.

friendlyfun · 02-11-2019 5:26am

DLS_75 wrote: »

That’s the problem in this city, all we have is TDs condemning things and not actually doing any work

I think David Cullinane has done a lot

02-11-2019 5:47am

Cullinane is a great TD. Always speaks well in the Dail and always clued in when interviewed on TV/radio. Pity we'll never see him in a ministerial role.

Halligan is the greatest waste of space that has ever been sent to Dail Eireann from any constituency. Mounteback.

dark crystal wrote: »

Are the Social Democrats not running any candidates in Waterford at all?

They're not. I contacted them recently asking this and they said there was no immediate plan to.

debok · 02-11-2019 12:51pm

vriesmays wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/waterford-psychiatric-unit-overcrowding-4875318-Nov2019/

Your new strategy of giving links to negative things about Waterford is only proving the point that Waterford is not being looked after by this government.
So that's the mortuary , cardiac care and psychiatric care that aren't up to standard. But Waterford people are wrong to give out/march about these things

Gillman1998 · 03-11-2019 8:16am

I’m relatively new to Waterford and wasn’t here for the last election.

When I moved here initially the people who impressed me the most were Eddie Mulligan at local level and David Cullinane. I’ve got to know a bit more now and for the next election I would say the best people for the Dail would be Cullinane, Mulligan, Coffey and possibly Cummins. Having said that the chances of FG getting 2 seats must be minimal after the dreadful situation, and getting worse, of the hospital. Perhaps even 1 seat might be a challenge, who knows.

I think definitely with Cullinane, Mulligan and Coffey up there things might start to get done.

Gardner · 03-11-2019 9:03am

friendlyfun wrote: »

I think David Cullinane has done a lot

What has he done?

ExoPolitic · 03-11-2019 9:10am

hardybuck wrote: »

Got a lot of votes in Tramore - could be a dark horse and outside bet for fourth seat.

Marc is a brilliant lad, has been campaigning/working for what he believes in whether he was a TD/councillor or not, a real man of principle. However I don't agree with a lot of green policies.

DLS_75 · 03-11-2019 10:17am

ExoPolitic wrote: »

Marc is a brilliant lad, has been campaigning/working for what he believes in whether he was a TD/councillor or not, a real man of principle. However I don't agree with a lot of green policies.

And that’s pretty much all he talks about, so he could never get my vote for that reason.

debok · 03-11-2019 1:19pm

Gardner wrote: »

What has he done?

Done what he can when in opposition. Unlike halligan, butler and deasy who are in government and just make promises that never happen and then accept praise when something mildly related to there promises comes true . Well in fairness to deasy he doesn't make even makes promises just does nothing so maybe he's even more honest than halligan/butler

Captain Red Beard · 03-11-2019 1:57pm

debok wrote: »

Done what he can when in opposition.

Which is what exactly?

debok · 03-11-2019 3:14pm

Captain Red Beard wrote: »

Which is what exactly?

He is in opposition so basically all he can to is the question the decisions being made by those in government like deasy and halligan.he also treats people with a bit of respect during my dealings with him. Not answering his phone constantly when talking face to face with a person.Butler is also a waste
If he wasn't with sinn Fein he would be out best politician.

Muttley79 · 03-11-2019 3:48pm

I know he obviously has party loyalties with Sinn Fein,but I personally think if he ran as a independent for Waterford he would probably sweep up a lot of votes with people that are just pure sick of the party political system in this country,it would give him leverage to get things done in this county that we badly crave

iseegirls · 03-11-2019 3:50pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Halligan is the greatest waste of space that has ever been sent to Dail Eireann from any constituency. Mounteback.

What about Ciara Conway? Only showed up for photo opportunities when businesses were shutting down. And appearing on Midday on TV3 a lot.

kayaksurfbum · 03-11-2019 9:50pm

debok wrote: »

He is in opposition so basically all he can to is the question the decisions being made by those in government like deasy and halligan.he also treats people with a bit of respect during my dealings with him. Not answering his phone constantly when talking face to face with a person.Butler is also a waste
If he wasn't with sinn Fein he would be out best politician.

But he is in Sinn Fein. Whats the point in voting for them? He should have stayed in local politics, he could get more results.

hardybuck · 03-11-2019 10:19pm

People considering voting for SF need to reflect on the current mess they're involved with in the North, which has no doubt contributed to the lawlessness around the border region.

Not only do their Assembly members in the North not turn up to work, in the middle of all this Brexit mess their MPs won't turn up to their jobs in Westminster and provide a nationalist voice in the Brexit debate.

In the Republic they seem to have huge issues internally with lots of allegations of bullying. Some officials have been before the courts recently for threatening and abusing Gardai. Another councillor was jailed for torturing a man in his garage.

Mary Lou has had a rough start as leader and is going to be under pressure after the next election because it won't go well.

Who would best represent Waterford in the next general election?

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