Brexit discussion thread XI (Please read OP before posting)

is_that_so · 22-10-2019 07:22PM

Commentary on BBC suggesting that the public have been making their feelings known to MPs.

is_that_so · 22-10-2019 07:23PM

Shelga wrote: »

What does second reading mean? They have voted to agree to vote again??

I'm getting really confused, and I'm usually on top of all Brexit craziness

I know the next one, the programme motion, is the biggie, but again, what exactly does it mean?

It means it can now be opened to debate and examination and subject to more amendments.

mirrorwall14 · 22-10-2019 07:23PM

Can anyone explain how this works? This is the first time I've actually turned on the live feed. How do they vote?

liamtech · 22-10-2019 07:24PM

I mean do we think brexit is an almost certainty now? if he wins this?

Also anyone have a link to those very useful charts of options - with % chance of outcomes etc

I would welcome seeing an updated version

Shelga · 22-10-2019 07:24PM

If the next vote passes, has he basically gotten his deal through parliament?

Ie if they agree to a ridiculously short timetable of 3 days, they'll agree to the deal itself? So confused!

Itssoeasy · 22-10-2019 07:24PM

Jesus Christ Jon Craig on sky news is doing a crap sky sports football impression and annoying me.

Joe_ Public · 22-10-2019 07:24PM

Shelga wrote: »

What does second reading mean? They have voted to agree to vote again??

I'm getting really confused, and I'm usually on top of all Brexit craziness

I know the next one, the programme motion, is the biggie, but again, what exactly does it mean?

Second reading moves it to committee stage where it can be amended. Then onto third reading... Its complicated!

is_that_so · 22-10-2019 07:25PM

Shelga wrote: »

If the next vote passes, has he basically gotten his deal through parliament?

Ie if they agree to a ridiculously short timetable of 3 days, they'll agree to the deal itself? So confused!

BBC explaining

Joe_ Public · 22-10-2019 07:26PM

Shelga wrote: »

If the next vote passes, has he basically gotten his deal through parliament?

Ie if they agree to a ridiculously short timetable of 3 days, they'll agree to the deal itself? So confused!

Nowhere near. Hes basically won one of those preseason cup competitions the top teams play. Next is like the league cup with fa cup.and champions league still to come!

Hurrache · 22-10-2019 07:26PM

Who'd have thought that Michael Collins would be quoted in the HoC in a debate on Brexit when this deal is said to be a step to freedom!

https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1186708343378927616?s=19

Itssoeasy · 22-10-2019 07:27PM

So the DUP are gone feral on the prime minister then ?

is_that_so · 22-10-2019 07:29PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

So the DUP are gone feral on the prime minister then ?

Hell hath no fury like a party shafted!

Itssoeasy · 22-10-2019 07:29PM

This looks like it will be on a knife edge.

Mr.Nice Guy · 22-10-2019 07:29PM

Looks like the government will lose the programme motion.

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1186709799083433985

Itssoeasy · 22-10-2019 07:30PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Hell hath no fury like a party shafted!

Well sure the dog in the street could see the bus that the DUP would get hit by the bus.

MPFGLB · 22-10-2019 07:31PM

MPFGLB wrote: »

I live in London and work as a contractor in the public sector
I voted Remain and I have argued for Remain for the last 3 years. Its not just a financial decision although the financial argument to Remain is for me and from several reports including many from this government the more sound in both the short and long term

My view has always been one of being better within the EU for reasons of security, trade,regulations, and as a unit to stand together to aid the development of the region and in defense against the power of China, Russian& USA

I guess I am one of those metropolitan elites that Brexiters and half the BBC journalists are always going on about
Except I am not...I have a large mortgage, very high living costs and dropping income for the last 7 years

Now I am hoping this deal gets through .. so we avoid a no deal

But also I and many colleagues are waiting for this government to invest in public services...which they are not doing as they hold all spending on hold in case its needed to shore up a no deal Brexit
It almost impossible to get any work at the moment ...and I am not the only one

I think the deal may go through as alot of MPs are so sick of it and want to move on

I think its a dreadful deal as it leaves to UK in a worse position than it was ..aligned to EU rules and regulations and not 'free' to make their own rules as the Brexiters wanted and with no bargaining power when the flesh is put on the bones

But having said all that I wont be surprised if it passes becasue of fear of no deal and a continuation of the extension process

So it is as i thought it would be

And I tell you Labour will pay the price ...the country is now mostly Remain but even so most want it done and to move on

Labour was the only party that could have had a 2nd Ref if it had got behind it last year or the year before

MPFGLB · 22-10-2019 07:32PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Hell hath no fury like a party shafted!

only happy point of the night

:D:D

Hurrache · 22-10-2019 07:32PM

Interesting to see the DUP numbers now.

Mr.Nice Guy · 22-10-2019 07:32PM

FFS.

Like a games of snakes and ladders. Back down we go.

Itssoeasy · 22-10-2019 07:33PM

They’ve lost.

PropJoe10 · 22-10-2019 07:33PM

Program motion defeated.

tuxy · 22-10-2019 07:33PM

Fair play to the DUP!

Spanish Eyes · 22-10-2019 07:34PM

I could be wrong but I think this vote could be on the timetable. i.e three days to get a timetable in place for a generational shift that could last 30-35 years. Could be wrong.

But if it is so, I honestly would not rate those supporting this for their forward thinking or analysis of anything.

liamtech · 22-10-2019 07:35PM

What is Corbyn at?

Itssoeasy · 22-10-2019 07:35PM

At least Boris got a win in Parliament. Shame the one he wanted to win he lost by 14. So even if the DUP had voted with Boris they’d still have lost but by 4 votes.

Itssoeasy · 22-10-2019 07:36PM

tuxy wrote: »

Fair play to the DUP!

Bottle of mouthwash Tuxy ?

is_that_so · 22-10-2019 07:37PM

He's got his deal vote. Game and set to Boris.

Spanish Eyes · 22-10-2019 07:38PM

Why are people saying DUP should be commended? They are just doing this for themselves.

They were shafted by Johnson and rightly so. They deserve nothing more now. Idiots.

Hurrache · 22-10-2019 07:38PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

At least Boris got a win in Parliament. Shame the one he wanted to win he lost by 14. So even if the DUP had voted with Boris they’d still have lost but by 4 votes.

The difference is 14. Had the 10 DUP voted for it then it would be 318 Yes, 312 No.

That's assuming the DUP did vote No.

Itssoeasy · 22-10-2019 07:38PM

is_that_so wrote: »

He's got his deal vote. Game and set to Boris.

He got a vote to move a bill onto the next stage of the parliamentary process. That happens to every bill that goes through the House of Commons.

Brexit discussion thread XI (Please read OP before posting)

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