The Richard Keys defence results in €17.5 payout

Brock Turnpike · 22-10-2019 01:42PM #1

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/chef-who-asked-for-kiss-after-all-ireland-win-awarded-17-500-for-unfair-dismissal-1.4059046?mode=amp

Irish Times wrote:

A chef who was sacked and accused of sexual harassment after asking a female colleague for a kiss when Dublin won the All-Ireland has been awarded compensation of €17,500 for unfair dismissal.

The avid GAA supporter told the Workplace Relations Commission (WRC) that he was “elated” and in “high spirits” after the Dublin football team won the “four-in-a-row” last year.

He was leaving work to attend the homecoming celebrations, and told his female co-worker that he thought this “deserves a kiss”, pointing to his cheek. He later described the comment as “simply banter”.

Well???

Bunny Colvin · 22-10-2019 01:45PM

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/chef-who-asked-for-kiss-after-all-ireland-win-awarded-17-500-for-unfair-dismissal-1.4059046?mode=amp

Well???

Jesus, imagine putting a complaint in over that.

D3V!L · 22-10-2019 01:45PM

What about the woman he sexually harassed ?

Its not he actually won the 4-in-a-row, is it ? He was just a creepy chef who tried it on with a female co-worker.

spodoinkle · 22-10-2019 01:47PM

Surely the I'll give you a smack reply was grounds for an assault complaint so

Ficheall · 22-10-2019 01:51PM

D3V!L wrote: »

What about the woman he sexually harassed ?

Its not he actually won the 4-in-a-row, is it ? He was just a creepy chef who tried it on with a female co-worker.

Why creepy?

munster87 · 22-10-2019 02:03PM

D3V!L wrote: »

What about the woman he sexually harassed ?

Its not he actually won the 4-in-a-row, is it ? He was just a creepy chef who tried it on with a female co-worker.

Where was the sexual harassment!? He asked for a kiss and was turned down!

jam_mac_jam · 22-10-2019 02:12PM

munster87 wrote: »

Where was the sexual harassment!? He asked for a kiss and was turned down!

That's sexual harassment.

Not worthy of being sacked over but it is sexual harassment. Its creepy, you are in work you shouldn't be asked for kisses.

Definition -
behaviour characterized by the making of unwelcome and inappropriate sexual remarks or physical advances in a workplace or other professional or social situation.

EmmetSpiceland · 22-10-2019 02:15PM

He must have been an incredibly ugly “person”, inside and out.

22-10-2019 02:17PM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

That's sexual harassment.

Not worthy of being sacked over but it is sexual harassment. Its creepy, you are in work you shouldn't be asked for kisses.

Definition -
behaviour characterized by the making of unwelcome and inappropriate sexual remarks or physical advances in a workplace or other professional or social situation.

and?

the key point, as always, is that if it wasnt worth being sacked for then he shouldnt have been sacked

if companies cared that much about the size of payouts, they wouldnt make such a balls up of simple processes governing disciplinary matters.

Ficheall · 22-10-2019 02:20PM

Imagine if the gazillion hookups in the scandals thread has been nipped in the bud as sexual harassment - the world would be full of phantom ****ters.

the beer revolu · 22-10-2019 02:21PM

Deleted User wrote: »

and?

the key point, as always, is that if it wasnt worth being sacked for then he shouldnt have been sacked

if companies cared that much about the size of payouts, they wouldnt make such a balls up of simple processes governing disciplinary matters.

Someone questioned if it was sexual harassment.
Jam simply pointed out that it was, albeit, on the minor side of things.

and?

Brock Turnpike · 22-10-2019 02:26PM

debok · 22-10-2019 02:28PM

Did he not ask for consent?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 22-10-2019 02:33PM

D3V!L wrote: »

What about the woman he sexually harassed ?

Its not he actually won the 4-in-a-row, is it ? He was just a creepy chef who tried it on with a female co-worker.

So "trying it on" with a female is now creepy...?

Problem here is that the consent awareness people want everyone to ask first, (and rightfully so), but then asking is ALSO deemed harassment....??!

No wonder people are ****ign confused.

Brock Turnpike · 22-10-2019 02:35PM

D3V!L · 22-10-2019 02:36PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

So "trying it on" with a female is now creepy...?

Problem here is that the consent awareness people want everyone to ask first, (and rightfully so), but then asking is ALSO deemed harassment....??!

No wonder people are ****ign confused.

Sorry, I forgot to put the sarcasm tags on that post :pac:

Ficheall · 22-10-2019 02:41PM

D3V!L wrote: »

Sorry, I forgot to put the sarcasm tags on that post :pac:

I'm not sure the sarcasm tags would work there - are you sure you didn't just realise you were being ridiculous?

D3V!L · 22-10-2019 02:42PM

Ficheall wrote: »

I'm not sure the sarcasm tags would work there - are you sure you didn't just realise you were being ridiculous?

I believe my track record here will further re-enforce my previous statement your honour.

Yer Da sells Avon · 22-10-2019 02:42PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

So "trying it on" with a female is now creepy...?

Problem here is that the consent awareness people want everyone to ask first, (and rightfully so), but then asking is ALSO deemed harassment....??!

No wonder people are ****ign confused.

Unless you're really thick, it's not confusing at all. You won't go far wrong if you behave appropriately towards your colleagues, especially if you don't know them well - i.e. don't ask them to kiss you because some sports team won a game. They're there to do a job, not to satisfy your creepy urges.

Snow Garden · 22-10-2019 02:44PM

I thought he just won 17.50

turbot · 22-10-2019 02:44PM

For the avoidance of doubt, my use of the following language is intended only and wholly in terms of the interpretation of "silly and fruit" and in no way suggestive of "anatomical likeness".

I find this whole thing to be a bit bananas*

*Should you in anyway internalise a potential interpretation derivation of this statement as relating to anatomical likeness, please consider your brain a potential risk for you and others.

jam_mac_jam · 22-10-2019 02:45PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

So "trying it on" with a female is now creepy...?

Problem here is that the consent awareness people want everyone to ask first, (and rightfully so), but then asking is ALSO deemed harassment....??!

No wonder people are ****ign confused.

Yes. its creepy. Don't try it on with us in work. We are there to earn money.

suicide_circus · 22-10-2019 02:48PM

Snow Garden wrote: »

I thought he just won 17.50

i thought he won 17 and a half million!

is_that_so · 22-10-2019 02:49PM

No surprise at this one and deserved payout IMO. A conversation on workplace behaviour and maybe a grovelling apology at most. Man was just being an eejit.

blinding · 22-10-2019 02:50PM

Are women just too fragile for the work place or just too fragile when it suits !

Yer Da sells Avon · 22-10-2019 02:55PM

blinding wrote: »

Are women just too fragile for the work place or just too fragile when it suits !

Misogyny aside, some people just want to go to work and do their job, without being hassled by some clown who thinks he's 'great craic'.

Ficheall · 22-10-2019 02:55PM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Yes. its creepy. Don't try it on with us in work.

Or other social situation, according to the definition you quoted, right?

blinding · 22-10-2019 02:58PM

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Misogyny aside, some people just want to go to work and do their job, without being hassled by some clown who thinks he's 'great craic'.

So women are too fragile for a bit of banter and are not able to cope with a bit of banter .

Maybe they just want a safe space back at home !

When they said they wanted equality was it too much to expect they could handle a bit of banter .

Women up . They just discredit genuine cases .

namloc1980 · 22-10-2019 03:01PM

The problem here was the company's stupid zero tolerance policy. HR like these policies because it means they don't have to engage their brains or use their judgment. A verbal warning would've been sufficient.

Stevieluvsye · 22-10-2019 03:01PM

Hmmm i'll reserve some judgement here as i think this comes down to the content of their working "relationship" he could well be an absolute sleazy k!nt and the job had had enough and bypassed normal protocal

super_furry · 22-10-2019 03:02PM

Seems like the right decision. A word from HR should have been enough.

The Richard Keys defence results in €17.5 payout

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