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The Joe Schmidt era.

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    #32
    KaneToad
    Registered Users Posts: 3,247 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    Amprodude wrote: »
    Ireland were never number 1 realistically. Lets not fool ourselves here.

    We were very much #1. It's not subject to opinion, it's a calculated position that all teams in the world are subject to. The soccer ball people rank their teams too...it's a common thing to do.

    Joe was good for Irish rugby. He's not the second coming of Christ but he did move us forward somewhat.


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    #33
    Bob Harris
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    shootermacg wrote: »
    Very little. Coaching NZ is probably the easiest gig. NZ being probably the only country where rugby is the number one sport.

    I'm sure he just throws them a ball and they do they rest themselves.

    The best team in the world is just that because of the quality of the coaching.


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    #34
    Downlinz
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    It was a great era although not perfect. As with EOS and Kidney before him he took us to new heights but hit a ceiling below what we hoped for. Plenty for Farrell to build on.


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    #35
    Neil3030
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    Ah come on, Irish people never get a "happy-ever-after" ending and Schmidt clearly knew this ahead of time.

    Give us our best days - check
    Make us believe - check
    Fall short - check

    It was the best of times, it led to agonising defeat - it was the most idiosyncratically Irish thing you could have imagined.

    Well done Joe, and thank you.


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    #36
    shootermacg
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    Bob Harris wrote: »
    I'm sure he just throws them a ball and they do they rest themselves.

    The best team in the world is just that because of the quality of the coaching.

    Not the best table in the world, but here's when he coached Wales....
    Hardly stellar stats now are they? tsk tsk
    Average 33% win rate, and he got that from playing T2 teams.

    Like I was saying, he probably makes the tea in NZ, which is all they need really.


    Opponent Played Won Drew Lost Win ratio (%) For Against
    Australia 1 0 0 1 0.00% 10 30
    Canada 2 2 0 0 100% 73 31
    England 5 0 0 5 0.00% 66 178
    Fiji 1 1 0 0 100.00% 58 14
    France 3 0 0 3 0.00% 60 99
    Ireland 3 0 0 3 0.00% 51 96
    Italy 4 3 0 1 75.00% 137 75
    New Zealand 3 0 0 3 0.00% 57 151
    Romania 1 1 0 0 100.00% 40 3
    Scotland 4 2 0 2 50.00% 90 76
    South Africa 2 0 0 2 0.00% 27 53
    Tonga 1 1 0 0 100% 27 20
    TOTAL 30 10 0 20 33.33% 696 826


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    #37
    Lucy8080
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    Jeez, he coached us to a Grand Slam victory at Twickenham! Leinster fans know the kind of dream rugby that was watched under his leadership.

    I reckon if we played France first fixture(rather than last) in 2015 W.C. , we would have gone beyond the q.f.s. Luck of the draw that one.

    In defeat or victory, I felt he came across on the t.v./media in a way that never let Ireland down. We just never really got into a stride this year. He owes this country nothing , none of us can doubt that he wanted a semi-final as much/more than any fan.

    I've some great memories of great days out...thank you.


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    #38
    Amprodude
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    shootermacg wrote: »
    Rough with the smooth bro, rough with thew smooth.. You might possibly be looking back at the Joe Schmidt era as the greatest ever for Irish rugby.


    Maybe and quite possible our greatest coach but i will also remember our 2015 and 2019 RWC exits. Ireland have been one dimensional in last 2 World cups.


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    #39
    Amprodude
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    KaneToad wrote: »
    We were very much #1. It's not subject to opinion, it's a calculated position that all teams in the world are subject to. The soccer ball people rank their teams too...it's a common thing to do.

    Joe was good for Irish rugby. He's not the second coming of Christ but he did move us forward somewhat.

    Dont be fooling yourself on the #1 status. We were never that realistically.


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    #40
    shootermacg
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    Amprodude wrote: »
    Dont be fooling yourself on the #1 status. We were never that realistically.

    I'm not the same as you, I don't beat myself up about things. Life's too short to be miserable all the time, you'll find people will just avoid you like the plague and you'll end up on the forums 100% :D


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    #41
    JJJackal
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    Amprodude wrote: »
    Dont be fooling yourself on the #1 status. We were never that realistically.

    Realistically we were number 1 in the world. The hard work to facilitate this was done in 2018. Prior to the world cup in 2019, we had only lost to England and Wales (beating wales twice and losing once). We were unbeaten for many many months before the England loss.

    Based on how rankings are calculated we were clearly number 1.


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    #42
    Shefwedfan
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    Amprodude wrote: »
    Ireland were never number 1 realistically. Lets not fool ourselves here.


    It doesn't really matter what you think, the history books have it recorded that Ireland where Number 1 in World.....that's all that matters


    Also in 2018, Ireland was the best team in the World.


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    #43
    WoollyRedHat
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    The truth of the matter is Schmidt gave the fans the believe that we could beat the AB on our day for the first time , he instilled a veerguard confidence that we simply did not have 4 years ago. That's why yesterday's defeat hurts that much more, it is the hope that kills you.

    I remember going to the Aviva circa 3 years ago when we played Italy in the 6N (my first 6N outing(and the team scored the world try of the year, it was a thing of beauty, one end to the other, of free flowing rugby. Schmidt gave us some wonderful moments as rugby fans, it's a shame that it had to end the way it did yesterday, but that's life. His legacy will stand the test of time. Thanks Joe.


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    #44
    Danthemanhere
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    Schmidt well be remembered as a very good coach who achieved great success but failed at the world cups.


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    #45
    Shefwedfan
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    Danthemanhere wrote: »
    Schmidt well be remembered as a very good coach who achieved great success but failed at the world cups.


    No he won't


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    #46
    JJJackal
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    No he won't

    Schmidt will be remembered as the great coach he was/is


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    #47
    Shefwedfan
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    JJJackal wrote: »
    Schmidt will be remembered as the great coach he was/is


    Exactly


    Also the most successful coach for Ireland


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    #48
    Danthemanhere
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    No he won't

    Yes he will. He won a grand slam and 2 other 6 nations but lead us to two of our worst defeats at the world cup and our record defeat. He failed at world cups, no denying it.


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    #49
    JJJackal
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    Danthemanhere wrote: »
    Yes he will. He won a grand slam and 2 other 6 nations but lead us to two of our worst defeats at the world cup and our record defeat. He failed at world cups, no denying it.

    Your definition of failure is two quarter finals.

    The first we lost mainly through injury

    The second we lost to the best team in the world (granted we also lost to Japan leading us to play the best team in the world)

    World Cups were not a success agreed


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    #50
    DellyBelly
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    Watching Wales there and I just wonder if we had kept Gatland what could he achieved with Ireland? Really think he'd have got the team to a semi and maybe even further. Joe has been a very good coach though. His world Cup record being really the only black mark against him.


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    #51
    snotboogie
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    No he won't

    Ridiculous! The World Cup is the biggest stage, Schmidt had two pops at it and fell well short on both occasions. Yes, he was very good in a historically weak 6 nations with a historically strong Irish team but when the chips were down he bottled it against Argentina and Japan and never even put up a fight against New Zealand. He was a good bean counter, very conscientious, but he lacked the flair of a guy like Warren Gatland to get it done when it really mattered.


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    #52
    tritriagain
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    The most worrying thing for me is that the new coach has had 2 disastrous World cups as a defensive coach.


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    #53
    AudreyHepburn
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    The fickleness and bitterness of some so called supporters is really shocking and honestly quite disappointing.

    Joe Schmidt’s tenure has seen us win three Six Nations, one of them a Grand Slam, best the All Blacks twice and advance to Number 1 in the world. We had a poor tournament yes but we cannot and should not allow it to overshadow and negate what Schmidt has done for Irish Rugby.

    Irish people love to be pessimistic, we all know that but a bit of logical thinking and perspective is needed here.


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    #54
    Danthemanhere
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    JJJackal wrote: »
    Your definition of failure is two quarter finals.

    The first we lost mainly through injury

    The second we lost to the best team in the world (granted we also lost to Japan leading us to play the best team in the world)

    World Cups were not a success agreed

    When there are so few teams at the top level, quarter finals are the minimum to expect. We got beaten by Argentina by 23 points. Destroyed. Japan was up there with our wrost ever defeats and New Zealand was our record defeat at a world cup. Going by any metric, he failed at world cups.


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    #55
    JJJackal
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    snotboogie wrote: »
    Ridiculous! The World Cup is the biggest stage, Schmidt had two pops at it and fell well short on both occasions. Yes, he was very good in a historically weak 6 nations with a historically strong Irish team but when the chips were down he bottled it against Argentina and Japan and never even put up a fight against New Zealand. He was a good bean counter, very conscientious, but he lacked the flair of a guy like Warren Gatland to get it done when it really mattered.

    He didnt fall well short. Semi-final would have been success. He got to 2 quarter finals. We were within a point of Argentina with 20 minutes to go...

    Historically weak 6N - Ireland beat England who were lining up a record number of wins - 18 or so? Wales you say are strong under a flair guy?

    France happen to be weak. Wales and England, as this world cup will show, are strong. Scotland and Italy are at the same level they have been at for some time


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    #56
    Danthemanhere
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    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    The fickleness and bitterness of some so called supporters is really shocking and honestly quite disappointing.

    Joe Schmidt’s tenure has seen us win three Six Nations, one of them a Grand Slam, best the All Blacks twice and advance to Number 1 in the world. We had a poor tournament yes but we cannot and should not allow it to overshadow and negate what Schmidt has done for Irish Rugby.

    Irish people love to be pessimistic, we all know that but a bit of logical thinking and perspective is needed here.

    I think we need to reflect on his tenure honestly. He did great stuff, the grand slam was amazing but last year looks less good in retrospect. Other countries were building for the world cup, we were not which has become clear.


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    #57
    JJJackal
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    Danthemanhere wrote: »
    When there are so few teams at the top level, quarter finals are the minimum to expect. We got beaten by Argentina by 23 points. Destroyed. Japan was up there with our wrost ever defeats and New Zealand was our record defeat at a world cup. Going by any metric, he failed at world cups.

    The manner of our defeat to NZ can only be judged at the end of the tournament. If they run over England plus whoever they face in the final....

    Argentina was close (you say 23 points but it was closer with 20 minutes to go; you may as well loose by 20 as 1)


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    #58
    Danthemanhere
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    JJJackal wrote: »
    The manner of our defeat to NZ can only be judged at the end of the tournament. If they run over England plus whoever they face in the final....

    Argentina was close (you say 23 points but it was closer with 20 minutes to go; you may as well loose by 20 as 1)

    No! Why can't you judge our performance now? We were a rabble, nothing else that happens will change that. We lost by 23 to Argentina. These are facts, they can't be debated. Schmidt's world cup record is awful, no hiding from it.


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    #59
    AudreyHepburn
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    Danthemanhere wrote: »
    I think we need to reflect on his tenure honestly. He did great stuff, the grand slam was amazing but last year looks less good in retrospect. Other countries were building for the world cup, we were not which has become clear.

    Of course we do but pretending that all Schmidt achieved doesn’t matter because of one bad season is at best naive.

    He’s not perfect but no coach is, not even Steve Hansen.


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    #60
    Clegg
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    Naked agenda posting under the guise of 'valid criticism.'

    You love to see it.


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    #61
    Danthemanhere
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    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    Of course we do but pretending that all Schmidt achieved doesn’t matter because of one bad season is at best naive.

    He’s not perfect but no coach is, not even Steve Hansen.

    Who said that? His achievements have been acknowledged, on the flip side, his world cup failures can't be ignored.


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