Brexit discussion thread XI (Please read OP before posting)

Letter sent. also sent a second political letter. Johnson blinks, again.

If it is true he only sent a photocopy and didn't sign the letter he was supposed to then it is off to court on Monday.

Edit: Would be some kind of karma if the EU treats the photocopy as legitimate and he gets rebuked by the courts as well. He would then have sent the letter according to the EU and get in legal trouble. Kind of like the DUP screwing him and voting for a second referendum after he reversed that bus over them multiple times.

I think what Boris is trying to do here is complying with the law by sending the letter but giving it as little legal standing as possible, and then sending another letter disagreeing, which he probably did sign.

There are posters here who think the EU are so fed up at this stage that they just want the UK gone as soon as possible, and want this ended one way or the other by the end of the month.

There are posters here who think that the EU still wants the UK to stay, and are happy to keep this going indefinitely in the hope that circumstances eventually change and a revoke/revote happens.

I guess we'll know which holds sway depending on how quickly they respond to the extension request, and what the response is.

I think it is always good to refer to David Allen Green on such matters ...

https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1185666023418220545

robinph wrote: »

He's sent a letter, but didn't sign it. Then sent another letter disagreeing with the first..

Between that ridiculousness and Trumps letter writing over the last couple of weeks, neither should be trusted with a pen. Theyre like kids. Petulant kids.

I was wondering, as I've often seen legal letters without a signature.

NotToScale wrote: »

I've a feeling the EU will be unable to respond as who can write that letter is ultimately a constitutional question that could only be answered by the Supreme Court of the UK.

It's not up to the EU to decide who represents the UK to the EU. That's a matter for the UK.

It's actually making the UK look like a failed state without a working government and a clown at the helm.

I think the EU will ask for clarification, and look to see the decision of the courts - the courts being almost a certainty at this stage

EU will grant the extension, no reason not to. General Election is way forward, and I expect the Brexit Party will steal a lot of seats from the Conservatives, while the remain parties will clean up. Lib Dem and Labour to rule.

RickBlaine wrote: »

Not signing the letter is so immature. OK, he might disagree with it but he is legally required by law to abide by the wishes of parliament on this matter. He is behaving like a petulant child.

This is it in a nutshell. You can be sure the genius and master tactician Mr. Cummings came up with this amazing idea. Explains the smugness from Gove, Raab and Barclay etc over the last few weeks.

Enzokk wrote: »

The problem seems to be their plots keep getting leaked and Andrea Leadsom was talking about sending multiple letters as well on TV. If they managed to keep their plans secret it would have more of an effect as well you suspect.

Not half as bad as John Baron in the chamber during the week! The idea of multiple letters has been floated for a while though, hasnt it? Just feels a bit obvious and, while im no expert, i cant see it getting them very far.

The idea of forcing a Ref on this now comes up. It only lost by 12 votes when it was put before. Now the DUP may support it. If they put a bit of thought into it, they would feel better with all the UK staying in the EU as opposed to checks in the Irish Sea.

Sam Russell wrote: »

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As a consequence of her 'leadership', Britain no longer mines coal, all car manufacturing is owned by foreign companies, all manufacturing in Britain is now a minor actor in the GDP, Britain is a major home for 'funny money', etc. etc.

Coal mining was dying long before MT became PM. It simply isn't any longer economical to invest in and produce electricity using coal.
The UK underground mining was even less economical when surface mined coal and inexpensive transport of coal by ship became available.
Natural gas from the North Sea didn't help either.

To a degree MT helped the more efficient mines to operate for a longer period after -like it or not - the 'keep the highest number of jobs for any price' union policy was thrown out by MT.

Deep down the productivity of all production facilities in a country is behind the long term success and size of the country's wealth.

The UK car industry is an example where not only the productivity but also the design, engineering and quality of cars from UK owned companies were way below continental cars and Japanese cars.

If you are not forever striving to be in top, you are bound to lose - and this is just how it should be.
For the auto industry this is very much why Germany and Japan is winning while the UK and the US is losing.

The speculative - even grey - money in London is what hit UK banking much harder than many others in 2008/09. It was the background for some needed austerity in the 2009-2011/12 time frame. But - IMHO - not for its stupid continuation to allow lower taxes and religiously believe in trickle down economy.

Lars