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Turkish forces have started bombing and attacking Kurdish people in Syria

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    #242
    James Brown
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    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Erdogan said today that he will never stop and that any country who sanctions Turkey will lose.

    But you all are whinging about Trump. Wake up

    Whinging about Trump leaving the Kurds to be slaughtered by the Turks. How the hell is that ignoring what the Turks are doing in any way?


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    #243
    Blueshoe
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Whinging about Trump leaving the Kurds to be slaughtered by the Turks. How the hell is that ignoring what the Turks are doing in any way?

    Yes that's right. The Kurds are being slaughtered by Turkish army.
    The Turkish army is killing them. Nobody is calling out Turkey. The people doing the killing.


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    #244
    James Brown
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    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Yes that's right. The Kurds are being slaughtered by Turkish army.
    The Turkish army is killing them. Nobody is calling out Turkey. The people doing the killing.

    Everyone is. Also, Trump for enabling the slaughter.


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    #245
    Blueshoe
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Everyone is. Also, Trump for enabling the slaughter.

    Yeah right they are. Just another Trump bashing excuse.
    America has the right to withdraw it's troops. Turkey has no right to slaughter the Kurds .
    There is little outrage towards Turkey in comparison to Trump.
    Sad state of affairs


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    #246
    Skylinehead
    Registered Users Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Yeah right they are. Just another Trump bashing excuse.
    America has the right to withdraw it's troops. Turkey has no right to slaughter the Kurds .
    There is little outrage towards Turkey in comparison to Trump.
    Sad state of affairs

    Nobody's defending Turkey (I hope not anyway), so what do you want to talk about?


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    #247
    Blueshoe
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    Skylinehead wrote: »
    Nobody's defending Turkey (I hope not anyway), so what do you want to talk about?

    Erdogan said he won't stop. He stated that any country that trys to sanction Turkey will lose.

    The US won't be sending troops in there and Russia have sent in their own.
    What is the next move? Trump can't do anything. The Un maybe? Turkey won't listen.
    The Kurds are going to be slaughtered and squeezed.


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    #248
    Cody montana
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    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Yes that's right. The Kurds are being slaughtered by Turkish army.
    The Turkish army is killing them. Nobody is calling out Turkey. The people doing the killing.

    That’s a ridiculous statement.


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    #249
    Skylinehead
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    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Erdogan said he won't stop. He stated that any country that trys to sanction Turkey will lose.

    The US won't be sending troops in there and Russia have sent in their own.
    What is the next move? Trump can't do anything. The Un maybe? Turkey won't listen.
    The Kurds are going to be slaughtered and squeezed.
    Cats out of the bag now, it's too late to do anything about it externally. Up to the Syrians and Russia to stop Turkey now, but I wouldn't exactly trust them either.

    Exactly nothing would have happened if that US buffer was still there.


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    #250
    c.p.w.g.w
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    Erdogon is a much more dangerous a person than the Donald


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    #251
    jackboy
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    Skylinehead wrote: »

    Exactly nothing would have happened if that US buffer was still there.

    Correct but no other country volunteered to replace that buffer, which they easily could have done. What the Donald did was wrong but every other country in the west are just as much at fault.


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    #252
    nthclare
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    No matter what Trump does he'll be wrong.
    People were protesting against the American imperialism for year's and wanted America out of the middle East.

    As he says himself, American is 7,000 miles away and they don't have to rely on oil from there either.
    Their shale oil is very plentiful.

    Call a spade a spade, he's trying to leave the middle East incrementally but yet the knobs who were protesting against the wars in the middle East are protesting against him leaving the middle East.

    The whole thing smell's of schizophrenia, yes no but yes, maybe no....
    He has a lot of responsibility and a lot of house cleaning to do.
    I'm not politically leaning towards American politics but FFS the man is snookered which ever way he goes.

    It's not an easy decision that's for sure


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    #253
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    An end to American imperialism is a good thing but it clearly has some duty to fix what it has caused.

    As for the UN, generally useless. However maybe the UN could authorise economic sanctions. Not too many countries like Turkey. Also why isn’t it being kicked out of the UN.


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    #254
    Gatling
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    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    Also why isn’t it being kicked out of the UN.

    Sure why would you kick turkey out ,you would have to kick out the russians, Chinese , Americans and half the world .


    Russians invaded Ukraine and shot down a civilian airliner killing all on board , then repeatedly bombed civilian hospitals in Syria and were complacent in chemical weapons attacks ,
    And that's before you go back to bush Jr's Iraq invasion

    Besides do you think Russia and China would allow an ally to be removed from the UN not a hope they would laugh at the idea ,

    Actually go back to the Korean war when Russia encouraged the invasion of South Korea ,then stood up at the UN and denounced north Korea and called for peace while send tens of thousands of their troops to fight against the UN forces .....
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    #255
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    Gatling wrote: »
    Sure why would you kick turkey out ,you would have to kick out the russians, Chinese , Americans and half the world .

    That was a typo. I meant NATO. NATO has no reason to exist, trump is right about that


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    #256
    Blueshoe
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    Cody montana wrote: »
    That’s a ridiculous statement.

    How so?
    You didn't say


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    #257
    Signore Fancy Pants
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    Blueshoe wrote: »
    How so?
    You didn't say

    Your arguments are very simplistic.

    Its mostly Turkish proxy forces doing the killing, if you know anything about the use of proxy forces, you know that regional/international actors only ever have tenuous control of their proxies (especially in this case).

    Turkey insisted on the creation of a safe zone for Turkish interests under the guise of humanitarian aid. They gave the international community an unrealistic ultimatum.

    The US could not entice Europe to support the creation of the zone militarily or financially. The US were not willing to support the zone themselves either.

    The only thing....the ONLY thing stopping a Turkish offensive was the presence of US troops.

    Well, we all know what happened. Trump is as bad as Erdogan.


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    #258
    Varik
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    No benefit to the US to stay, the countries moaning the most are the ones who never do anything themselves.

    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    That was a typo. I meant NATO. NATO has no reason to exist, trump is right about that

    Right either way, both useless.


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    #259
    Signore Fancy Pants
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    Varik wrote: »
    No benefit to the US to stay, the countries moaning the most are the ones who never do anything themselves.

    The sole benefit for the.U.S to stay in Syria is as a strategic blocking force to reduce the liklihood of Iran or Russia from expanding their influence in the Middle East.

    So yeah, tactically and economically there is no benefit for the US. When you are talking about regional/global superpowers, strategically the US will be weakened in the Middle East with the withdrawal. Not only due to the physical aspect but mainly due to their crumbling reputation and growing distrust by host nations where troops are deployed.


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    #260
    jmayo
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    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Protect the U.S. allies. Bit late now mind. If the Kurds find oil he'll change his tune the greasy f***.
    Troops back to the middle East it is so.

    FFS they have never left the middle east.
    They have bases there and the US Navy's 5th fleet is dedicated to the Middle East, not like the other fleets dedicated to half an ocean.

    The troops they pulled out of the Kurdish controlled area were pulled back to base in Iraq by all accounts, so they never left the fooking Middle East.
    They just withdrew around 1000 from Syria border area with Turkey.
    Blueshoe wrote: »
    The idea that the us is obligated to permanently station troops in the middle East is ridiculous.

    Obama was lauded for removing troops. Blame Turkey. The lads doing the bombing

    You are talking shyte.

    They have had troops and military personnel in Middle East for decades.
    Of course yes they moved cr** load of soldiers and military equipment into Saudi for Gulf War 1 and into Kuwait for Gulf War II.
    They have major bases in Kuwait, UAE, Oman, Jordan.

    In fact the US have something like 60,000 to 70,000 personnel based in Middle East.

    This was state of play as of Sept 2019.

    Bahrain: More than 7,000 American troops, mostly Navy.

    Iraq: About 5,200 U.S. troops are in Iraq as of January, per a spokesperson from the Department of Defense.

    Jordan: Approximately 2,795 U.S. troops support operations to defeat ISIS and promote regional stability.

    Kuwait: Over 13,000 American troops are stationed in Kuwait, which also includes the U.S. Army Central's forward headquarters.

    Oman: A few hundred U.S. soldiers are in Oman, near the Strait of Hormuz.

    Qatar: There are as many as 13,000 American troops in Qatar

    Saudi Arabia: The U.S. pulled most of its soldiers out following the Sept. 11 attacks.

    Syria: Approximately 2,000 U.S. service members are in Syria, according to a spokesperson from the DOD.

    United Arab Emirates: 5,000 U.S. troops are stationed in the UAE.


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    #261
    James Brown
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    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Yeah right they are. Just another Trump bashing excuse.
    America has the right to withdraw it's troops. Turkey has no right to slaughter the Kurds .
    There is little outrage towards Turkey in comparison to Trump.
    Sad state of affairs

    On the other hand the Trump supporters playing the poor mouth to give him a pass is a joke. His own party voted against him on this yesterday.

    Question; what is it that Trump stands for that you admire so much? I mean I get the support your team regardless madness, but now the Republicans are voting against him, so where is the blind loyalty, with Trump the man? When the left and right are telling you they think he's wrong, it's confusing for onlookers TBH.

    Trump has mental deficiencies. That's not meant as slander. I do not think he is capable of being a President any country needs. Look at the meeting yesterday. They asked for a briefing from intelligence et al on the pull out, they got Trump riffing and throwing insults.


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    #262
    Outlaw Pete
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    https://twitter.com/VP/status/1184906260581359617?s=19

    https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1184904184140910592?s=19


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    #263
    Overheal
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    Trump vs Trump, 2018/2019 Kurds edition

    https://www.facebook.com/7976226799/posts/10158011117051800?sfns=mo


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    #264
    Overheal
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    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/VP/status/1184906260581359617?s=19

    https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1184904184140910592?s=19

    Glad they were able to agree to their withdrawal only once a ceasefire was in place oh wait


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    #265
    Outlaw Pete
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    Lefties disappointed there's a ceasefire, hoping for more bloodshed so they can pin it on Trump, that's how much they hate him, Susan Rice a perfect example of that, and now Twitter awash with similar. Acting like they cared about the Kurds, but they didnt.


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    #266
    Blueshoe
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    Pence negotiated a five day ceasefire to allow the Kurds safe passage. The Kurds are now safe.
    It's all Trumps fault etc


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    #267
    Cody montana
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    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Pence negotiated a five day ceasefire to allow the Kurds safe passage. The Kurds are now safe.
    It's all Trumps fault etc

    A safe passage to where?


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    #268
    Overheal
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    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Lefties disappointed there's a ceasefire, hoping for more bloodshed so they can pin it on Trump, that's how much they hate him, Susan Rice a perfect example of that, and now Twitter awash with similar. Acting like they cared about the Kurds, but they didnt.

    That’s a pathetic slur. Even for you.

    Trump facilitated the slaughter of countless Kurds just days ago and you’re pretending that doesn’t matter.


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    #269
    Overheal
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    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Pence negotiated a five day ceasefire to allow the Kurds safe passage. The Kurds are now safe.
    It's all Trumps fault etc

    Why do they need the ceasefire Hmm?


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    #270
    Outlaw Pete
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    Overheal wrote: »
    That’s a pathetic slur. Even for you.

    Not sure what the "even for you" is supposed to mean but it's quite clear from looking around on places like Twitter that those who were pearl clutching about the US withdrawal of troops, and what it would mean for the Kurds, aren't at all happy about the news of a ceasefire at all, which in my opinion they would be had their concern for the Kurds been genuine.
    Trump facilitated the slaughter of countless Kurds just days ago and you’re pretending that doesn’t matter.
    It does matter and did not 'pretend it didn't, in fact I condemned the withdrawal myself on this forum, but as you can see I am happy about the withdrawal ... because you see, my concern for the Kurds was genuine.


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    #271
    Skylinehead
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    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Pence negotiated a five day ceasefire to allow the Kurds safe passage. The Kurds are now safe.
    It's all Trumps fault etc

    Yeah it's great that they have safe passage from their homes.


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