Strokestown Mod Note in Post #4461

blueythebear · 16-10-2019 04:07PM

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Was anyone ever arrested after all the carry on??

There was a handful of arrests around the country and files sent to the dpp

Brendan Bendar · 16-10-2019 04:16PM

blueythebear wrote: »

No it wont. You think anyone is going charging in there once they are in breach of the order? Itll be ack to the high court for the bank to have anyone in the property arrested first. That will be in the new year unless the bank plan on another PR disaster by removing people close to christmas

Hmmmmmm...... surely we will get a few answers?

Maybe the big sheds might give up a few insights.

JCJCJC · 16-10-2019 04:26PM

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Was anyone ever arrested after all the carry on??

Didn't the gardai seize a cattle truck and a teleporter used by the thugs who attacked the security men - did they ever give them back to their owners?

blueythebear · 16-10-2019 04:39PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Hmmmmmm...... surely we will get a few answers?

Maybe the big sheds might give up a few insights.

Given your obsession with big sheds, what do you believe will be the insights provided by those sheds?

Brendan Bendar · 16-10-2019 06:28PM

blueythebear wrote: »

Given your obsession with big sheds, what do you believe will be the insights provided by those sheds?

Obsession..... bit of hyperbole there, my friend.

Not sure, but I see you have a gathering of ‘thanks lice’ around your posts.

Perhaps they might have some insight.

Seem very elaborate constructions rather incongruous with their surroundings eh?

Anaway... let’s see on Nov 12.

blueythebear · 16-10-2019 07:08PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Obsession..... bit of hyperbole there, my friend.

Not sure, but I see you have a gathering of ‘thanks lice’ around your posts.

Perhaps they might have some insight.

Seem very elaborate constructions rather incongruous with their surroundings eh?

Anaway... let’s see on Nov 12.

Not being familiar with the property, i wouldnt know. What is so elaborate about the constructions?

blueythebear · 16-10-2019 07:11PM

There appears to be a recent judgment on the issue from Allen J in the high court which sheds a little light on the eviction..

https://beta.courts.ie/view/judgments/5a8b840b-f6c4-41bd-a377-303aa2fddb34/f11945fc-918e-47cb-862a-e4b397aca7c7/2019_IEHC_667_1pdf/pdf

SilverKrest · 16-10-2019 10:59PM

pablo128 wrote: »

Please explain to us what would happen if everyone who took out a loan didn't pay it back.

In your own time.

The bank would ask the government to bail it out and then the tax payer would end up paying for it

blueythebear · 17-10-2019 08:42AM

SilverKrest wrote: »

The bank would ask the government to bail it out and then the tax payer would end up paying for it

And interest rates would increase so as to make mortgages completely unsffordable for everyone. Nobody could buy a property so everyone would have to rent, with rents increasing to unaffordable levels.

We are already seeing this happen to a degree, partly due to defaults but also due to banks inability to recover their security when chancers like the strokestown family choose not to pay and try to do everything to frustrate the bank.

armaghlad · 17-10-2019 11:45AM

blueythebear wrote: »

And interest rates would increase so as to make mortgages completely unsffordable for everyone. Nobody could buy a property so everyone would have to rent, with rents increasing to unaffordable levels.

We are already seeing this happen to a degree, partly due to defaults but also due to banks inability to recover their security when chancers like the strokestown family choose not to pay and try to do everything to frustrate the bank.

Why did the bank lend to chancers in the first place?

Raconteuse · 17-10-2019 12:35PM

Hatrickpatrick with his "everyone should be free" schtick endorsing violence I see.

People who brazenly avail of a service yet don't pay for it despite agreeing to, are scum. And those who are blinded by "socking it to The Man" nonsense wouldn't be so understanding if they were self employed and had to chase up money they're owed.

And someone asked where's the compassion - are they for real? Compassion for what? Some folk - well meaning in fairness - think that anyone who is pursued by the debt collectors, bailiffs etc is a poor victim who ran into trouble and are trying their best but the cruel debt recovery machine doesn't care.

Reality check: the above is not correct. Pay no attention to the gutter press and the populist mobs.

There are two categories: can't pay and won't pay. The "can't pay" folk are those who have run into financial difficulty and are trying their best. I have compassion for them - most people do. Despite the populist narrative, bank workers and customer service advisors are just ordinary folk too. They have families and friends - they have bills to pay. Like anyone, they don't want someone to be suffering the anxiety that goes with financial struggle. So they set up payment plans for them.

Eviction does not occur until long, long after the arrears start to accumulate. Many many many reminders through letters and phone calls. To the "won't pays". It's unhelpful, scaremongering rubbish to pretend that a person or family who has fallen on hard times but trying their best, will be evicted, or have their electricity or heating cut off.

There's a third category too - those who fall in between. They have fallen on hard times but they won't engage with their creditors. You have to though. It's not nice but it's better to get a payment plan than leave it build (the creditor can't be expected to just know that they're not a "won't pay").

The people in this case have been given ample chance to engage, to come to an alternative arrangement. They have chosen to view themselves as being above everyone else and not liable for what they owe. That isn't "the downtrodden" - that is beyond arrogant. They are self entitled freeloaders and so are their mob. They chose the path that would have consequences, and now they're pretending to be hard done by because those consequences are now a reality. **** 'em.

blueythebear · 17-10-2019 01:00PM

armaghlad wrote: »

Why did the bank lend to chancers in the first place?

Ah yes. Blame the banks... sure its their own fault because they forced this poor farmer to take out the loan. Personal responsibility seems to not be an issue to some

17-10-2019 02:04PM

armaghlad wrote: »

Why did the bank lend to chancers in the first place?

When something is used as collateral they usually feel it’s a safe bet.

JCJCJC · 17-10-2019 02:34PM

Deleted User wrote: »

When something is used as collateral they usually feel it’s a safe bet.

There are some counties in Ireland now, mainly above the Galway-Dublin line, where mainstream lenders won't issue new residential mortgages, because the security is unenforceable thanks to the vigilantes, and/or weak and scared-off sheriffs. That leaves only the sub-prime lenders who charge higher rates to everyone, so the good payers in effect pay for the delinquents. It's reflected ultimately in property prices.
Be careful who you vote for...

Brendan Bendar · 17-10-2019 04:53PM

Raconteuse wrote: »

Hatrickpatrick with his "everyone should be free" schtick endorsing violence I see.

People who brazenly avail of a service yet don't pay for it despite agreeing to, are scum. And those who are blinded by "socking it to The Man" nonsense wouldn't be so understanding if they were self employed and had to chase up money they're owed.

And someone asked where's the compassion - are they for real? Compassion for what? Some folk - well meaning in fairness - think that anyone who is pursued by the debt collectors, bailiffs etc is a poor victim who ran into trouble and are trying their best but the cruel debt recovery machine doesn't care.

Reality check: the above is not correct. Pay no attention to the gutter press and the populist mobs.

There are two categories: can't pay and won't pay. The "can't pay" folk are those who have run into financial difficulty and are trying their best. I have compassion for them - most people do. Despite the populist narrative, bank workers and customer service advisors are just ordinary folk too. They have families and friends - they have bills to pay. Like anyone, they don't want someone to be suffering the anxiety that goes with financial struggle. So they set up payment plans for them.

Eviction does not occur until long, long after the arrears start to accumulate. Many many many reminders through letters and phone calls. To the "won't pays". It's unhelpful, scaremongering rubbish to pretend that a person or family who has fallen on hard times but trying their best, will be evicted, or have their electricity or heating cut off.

There's a third category too - those who fall in between. They have fallen on hard times but they won't engage with their creditors. You have to though. It's not nice but it's better to get a payment plan than leave it build (the creditor can't be expected to just know that they're not a "won't pay").

The people in this case have been given ample chance to engage, to come to an alternative arrangement. They have chosen to view themselves as being above everyone else and not liable for what they owe. That isn't "the downtrodden" - that is beyond arrogant. They are self entitled freeloaders and so are their mob. They chose the path that would have consequences, and now they're pretending to be hard done by because those consequences are now a reality. **** 'em.

That is an excellent post which lays out in a fair and balanced way the way some folk are ‘ gaming ‘ the system big time.

Those who support these tossers are just as guilty and instead of supporting them they should stay out of stuff that is not their own business.

I fully support the posters point of view.

runawaybishop · 23-10-2019 07:17PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/district-court/former-garda-in-eviction-case-says-he-would-require-1m-to-appear-in-court-again-1.4060496?mode=amp

This one of the lads at the eviction providing 'advice'?

All these idiots do is cause more problems for naive and vunerable people.

facehugger99 · 23-10-2019 09:03PM

runawaybishop wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/district-court/former-garda-in-eviction-case-says-he-would-require-1m-to-appear-in-court-again-1.4060496?mode=amp

This one of the lads at the eviction providing 'advice'?

All these idiots do is cause more problems for naive and vunerable people.

Touch of the Freeman about him.

Brendan Bendar · 23-10-2019 09:05PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Touch of the Freeman about him.

Shows one the type one is dealing with.

These tools need to be cleared out.

JCJCJC · 23-10-2019 09:15PM

runawaybishop wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/district-court/former-garda-in-eviction-case-says-he-would-require-1m-to-appear-in-court-again-1.4060496?mode=amp

This one of the lads at the eviction providing 'advice'?

All these idiots do is cause more problems for naive and vunerable people.

Probably told by the Freemen that he’ll get a fool’s pardon.

12-11-2019 05:34PM

All fun and games again today. https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/the-family-are-not-moving-crowd-gathers-to-oppose-repossession-of-roscommon-farmhouse-963475.html

fryup · 12-11-2019 06:42PM

ding ding round 2

blinding · 12-11-2019 06:50PM

Deleted User wrote: »

All fun and games again today. https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/the-family-are-not-moving-crowd-gathers-to-oppose-repossession-of-roscommon-farmhouse-963475.html

This should become an Annual Event at this time of year to help us get through the Winter .

fryup · 12-11-2019 06:54PM

kbc should call in this crowd

12-11-2019 07:26PM

Anna Kavanagh to the rescue! https://youtu.be/BgXSKA82woU?fbclid=IwAR0748O9yxmwswFvKOfiBdtOC5r43Pjk0BXrk0IYvZREfU-ZpoOAWCEUMeI

expectationlost · 12-11-2019 08:07PM

still want to known about the other brother and his house(s)

jay0109 · 12-11-2019 08:08PM

Still nothing paid since 2014

blinding · 12-11-2019 08:27PM

Not knowing is more fun . It’ll make a better Movie .

Fritzbox · 12-11-2019 08:34PM

Are the original owners/"evictees" now, by legal definition, breaking and entering the property? Is it now a matter for the Guards?

pablo128 · 12-11-2019 08:48PM

Fritzbox wrote: »

Are the original owners/"evictees" now, by legal definition, breaking and entering the property? Is it now a matter for the Guards?

I think it is a matter for the guards now, whereas before it was not.

Tis a cold night . I hope they brought heavy coats with them.

windy shepard henderson · 12-11-2019 08:50PM

Folks... Where is Ben Gilroy... Surely he is the only man that can save us now...

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