Irish Smugness about Brexit?

MrAbyss · 15-10-2019 10:48pm #1

I must say I am amazed at how so many people here assume the UK will die as a nation or become third world with Brexit. London is still the biggest financial centre in the world. The Irish are going to look like the mugs if the UK booms post Brexit and we are stuck in a failing EU deep in recession.

I don't know what the outcome will be, but I do wonder about the smug bravado from our fair isle regarding this issue. The UK and Trump could form a bloc and the current D4 smirks could be wiped of their faces very quickly.

2ygb4cmqetsjhx · 15-10-2019 10:52pm

MrAbyss wrote: »

the UK will die as a nation or become third world with Brexit. London is still the biggest financial centre in the world.

Their own civil service has come to the conclusion that Brexit will destroy them. And London financial influence will decline. Nothing smug about it. Just facts.

MrAbyss · 15-10-2019 10:56pm

Kevin Silly Meal wrote: »

Their own civil service has come to the conclusion that Brexit will destroy them. And London financial influence will decline. Nothing smug about it. Just facts.

Civil servants have a vested interest in the EU as it provides endless junkets and career moves. That's hardly an unbiased opinion. It's big business that counts. Not Nigel the Labour appointed clerk in Brixton pissed off that no more free trips to a Transgender Farmers conference in Madrid.

2ygb4cmqetsjhx · 15-10-2019 11:00pm

MrAbyss wrote: »

Civil servants have a vested interest in the EU as it provides endless junkets and career moves. That's hardly an unbiased opinion. It's big business that counts. Not Nigel the Labour appointed clerk in Brixton pissed off that no more free trips to a Transgender Farmers conference in Madrid.

Nonsense. They see me trolling, they hating, .....

Tell me how · 15-10-2019 11:05pm

MrAbyss wrote: »

Civil servants have a vested interest in the EU as it provides endless junkets and career moves. That's hardly an unbiased opinion. It's big business that counts. Not Nigel the Labour appointed clerk in Brixton pissed off that no more free trips to a Transgender Farmers conference in Madrid.

From a UK business website

Although not all have cited Brexit as a direct or indirect reason they’ll be leaving the UK, here’ s a comprehensive list of the major businesses who are set to leave the UK:
Airbus

AXA

Bank of America

Barclays

Dyson

Flybmi

Ford

Goldman Sachs

Honda

Hitachi

HSBC

JP Morgan

Lloyds

P&O

Panasonic

Philips

Sony

Toshiba

UBS

Unilever

ancapailldorcha · 15-10-2019 11:05pm

MrAbyss wrote: »

I must say I am amazed at how so many people here assume the UK will die as a nation or become third world with Brexit. London is still the biggest financial centre in the world. The Irish are going to look like the mugs if the UK booms post Brexit and we are stuck in a failing EU deep in recession.

I don't know what the outcome will be, but I do wonder about the smug bravado from our fair isle regarding this issue. The UK and Trump could form a bloc and the current D4 smirks could be wiped of their faces very quickly.

Who here has said that the UK will die or become a third world nation?

listermint · 15-10-2019 11:07pm

MrAbyss wrote: »

Civil servants have a vested interest in the EU as it provides endless junkets and career moves. That's hardly an unbiased opinion. It's big business that counts. Not Nigel the Labour appointed clerk in Brixton pissed off that no more free trips to a Transgender Farmers conference in Madrid.

Ah yes people often write extensively researched articles based on their ability to get two free business trips per year to easily accessible Ryanair destinations.

MrAbyss · 15-10-2019 11:07pm

Tell me how wrote: »

From a UK business website

That is a fraction of the companies in the City of London. Also, it reminds me of the likes of these celebs who say they'll leave Britain if such and such wins a general election but the never leave.

lawred2 · 15-10-2019 11:08pm

Someone's been up past bedtime reading their alt right forums..

Go to bed kiddo

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 15-10-2019 11:10pm

MrAbyss wrote: »

Civil servants have a vested interest in the EU as it provides endless junkets and career moves. That's hardly an unbiased opinion. It's big business that counts. Not Nigel the Labour appointed clerk in Brixton pissed off that no more free trips to a Transgender Farmers conference in Madrid.

Big business is opposed to Brexit.

gmisk · 15-10-2019 11:11pm

I don't think it's smugness....we are just a bit bemused.

Duane Dibbley · 15-10-2019 11:11pm

MrAbyss wrote: »

That is a fraction of the companies in the City of London. Also, it reminds me of the likes of these celebs who say they'll leave Britain if such and such wins a general election but the never leave.

Why didn’t you put your question in either 1 of the 2 Brexit threads to find out rather then a new thread?

MrAbyss · 15-10-2019 11:13pm

Seems to me the same ones who are certain the UK will die in Brexit are the same ones who said Trump wouldn't get elected and if he did the USA would die or he would start a nuclear war.

gmisk · 15-10-2019 11:14pm

MrAbyss wrote: »

Seems to me the same ones who are certain the UK will die in Brexit are the same ones who said Trump wouldn't get elected and if he did the USA would die or he would start a nuclear war.

It seems to me you have got that wrong.

Padre_Pio · 15-10-2019 11:20pm

It's not Brexit per se, it's the constant, unfailing bumbling ineptitude from British elites who stagger from one disaster to another.

I am particularly loving Boris Johnson, who was initially 50:50 on whether to leave or remain. He saw there was greater political gain on the leave side, then spent years abusing Theresa May and her deal, voting down every proposal she put forward.
Now he is in power and is getting exactly the same treatment. Now the height of irony is that he will have to present the same deal to parliament this week and try to convince them to back it.

:pac:

MrAbyss · 15-10-2019 11:24pm

Padre_Pio wrote: »

It's not Brexit per se, it's the constant, unfailing bumbling ineptitude from British elites who stagger from one disaster to another.

I am particularly loving Boris Johnson, who was initially 50:50 on whether to leave or remain. He saw there was greater political gain on the leave side, then spent years abusing Theresa May and her deal, voting down every proposal she put forward.
Now he is in power and is getting exactly the same treatment. Now the height of irony is that he will have to present the same deal to parliament this week and try to convince them to back it.

That's a fair point, but I also think people here think that because of him it's all so Monty Python behind the scenes. We are being given a cartoon version of events by Irish media and commentators. The one possibility that none of them have factored in is that Brexit could be a roaring success for the UK.

cryptocurrency · 15-10-2019 11:28pm

Kevin Silly Meal wrote: »

Their own civil service has come to the conclusion that Brexit will destroy them. And London financial influence will decline. Nothing smug about it. Just facts.

Civil service is full of lefty loons. Of course they love the EU.

Free Marketeers, the real cogs in the chain of any wealth in any economy, don't like the EU.

Never follow the Civil Service views on anything.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 15-10-2019 11:29pm

MrAbyss wrote: »

Seems to me the same ones who are certain the UK will die in Brexit are the same ones who said Trump wouldn't get elected and if he did the USA would die or he would start a nuclear war.

Seems to me that’s a straw man argument plucked out of your arse.

MrAbyss · 15-10-2019 11:30pm

Duane Dibbley wrote: »

Why didn’t you put your question in either 1 of the 2 Brexit threads to find out rather then a new thread?

Because this is an interesting, stand alone cultural consideration not yet raised.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 15-10-2019 11:33pm

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Civil service is full of lefty loons. Of course they love the EU.

Free Marketeers, the real cogs in the chain of any wealth in any economy, don't like the EU.

Never follow the Civil Service views on anything.

Once again business is opposed to Brexit.

https://www.cbi.org.uk/articles/no-deal-brexit-is-a-tripwire-into-economic-chaos/

The CBI is the confederation of british industry. And it’s fairly understandable that they don’t like Brexit because business people like markets and selling stuff.

cryptocurrency · 15-10-2019 11:34pm

IMF now has the UK as the best performing European area economy next year out of the Germans, French, Spanish, Italians etc..despite brexit.

Don't think it listed small economies.

Padre_Pio · 15-10-2019 11:36pm

MrAbyss wrote: »

That's a fair point, but I also think people here think that because of him it's all so Monty Python behind the scenes. We're are being given a cartoon version of events by Irish media and commentators. The one possibility that none of them have factored in is that Brexit could be a roaring success for the UK.

And hey, maybe it will be. I hope it is because we'd all benefit.

I just haven't seen one iota of evidence for success that wasn't published by some conservative pro Brexit think tank and wasn't immediately discredited.

cryptocurrency · 15-10-2019 11:36pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Once again business is opposed to Brexit.

https://www.cbi.org.uk/articles/no-deal-brexit-is-a-tripwire-into-economic-chaos/

The CBI is the confederation of british industry. And it’s fairly understandable that they don’t like Brexit because business people like markets and selling stuff.

You will find it is in some business interests for over regulation and barriers to entry.

Again, those who care about the free market hates these barriers. Big or Small, they should have no protection from a true free market.

Calhoun · 15-10-2019 11:36pm

MrAbyss wrote: »

I must say I am amazed at how so many people here assume the UK will die as a nation or become third world with Brexit. London is still the biggest financial centre in the world. The Irish are going to look like the mugs if the UK booms post Brexit and we are stuck in a failing EU deep in recession.

I don't know what the outcome will be, but I do wonder about the smug bravado from our fair isle regarding this issue. The UK and Trump could form a bloc and the current D4 smirks could be wiped of their faces very quickly.

What you call smugness i would say is actually schadenfreude, as we are caught on the sideline watching them screw themselves up but also try and finger paddy as trying to get one over on them.

I couldn't give a crap what happens to the English if they did it in a way that didn't destabilize the north and bring back the troubles to Ireland.

I wonder about all the people who support such jingoism, even after the UK have made many attacks on our own country for essentially looking after its own interest.

Calhoun · 15-10-2019 11:38pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Who here has said that the UK will die or become a third world nation?

Everybody who has ever uttered a bad word against old britannia. Did you know she leads the waves and never never never shall be slaves?

Joe_ Public · 15-10-2019 11:40pm

cryptocurrency wrote: »

IMF now has the UK as the best performing European area economy next year out of the Germans, French, Spanish, Italians etc..despite brexit.

Don't think it listed small economies.

When did this brexit happen? I must have fallen into a long sleep and completely missed it.

cryptocurrency · 15-10-2019 11:42pm

Calhoun wrote: »

Everybody who has ever uttered a bad word against old britannia. Did you know she leads the waves and never never never shall be slaves?

She is ruling them far more then the EU

noodler · 15-10-2019 11:42pm

MrAbyss wrote: »

I must say I am amazed at how so many people here assume the UK will die as a nation or become third world with Brexit. London is still the biggest financial centre in the world. The Irish are going to look like the mugs if the UK booms post Brexit and we are stuck in a failing EU deep in recession.

I don't know what the outcome will be, but I do wonder about the smug bravado from our fair isle regarding this issue. The UK and Trump could form a bloc and the current D4 smirks could be wiped of their faces very quickly.

God, where to start?

Could you try again? Maybe with bullet points and explain the basis for each "point" as you go?

The chan chan man · 15-10-2019 11:43pm

Tell me how wrote: »

From a UK business website

Frightening to think of the impact this huge loss will have on the UK. They are b0lloxed!

Calhoun · 15-10-2019 11:46pm

cryptocurrency wrote: »

She is ruling them far more then the EU

Right you are Admiral, to the colonies with us where we shall open up new markets and prove we are still a global power of significance.

s7ryf3925pivug · 15-10-2019 11:49pm

Dunno what planet you're on. On my planet we are worried about brexit's impact on our economy, the local job market and peace in NI. Personally I was hoping for aggressive attempts to grab business from them back when the vote was carried - but that was apparently not viable or not polite or something.

I'm a little aghast at the pernicious form of nationalism that seems to be emerging in Britain, and the hostility towards Ireland and Germany. It's all strange and stupid, not good at all.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 15-10-2019 11:49pm

cryptocurrency wrote: »

You will find it is in some business interests for over regulation and barriers to entry.

Again, those who care about the free market hates these barriers. Big or Small, they should have no protection from a true free market.

Once again business is opposed to Brexit.

https://www.cbi.org.uk...into-economic-chaos/

The CBI is the confederation of british industry. And it’s fairly understandable that they don’t like Brexit because business people like markets and selling stuff

Padre_Pio · 15-10-2019 11:52pm

cryptocurrency wrote: »

She is ruling them far more then the EU

What does that even mean?

Like, literally, how do you even quantify that sentence?

More and more I get the feeling that some posters are just chatbots.

Calhoun · 15-10-2019 11:56pm

Ty Handsome Potassium wrote: »

Dunno what planet you're on. On my planet we are worried about brexit's impact on our economy, the local job market and peace in NI. Personally I was hoping for aggressive attempts to grab business from them back when the vote was carried - but that was apparently not viable or not polite or something. I'm a little aghast at the pernicious form of nationalism that seems to be emerging in Britain, and the hostility towards Ireland and Germany. It's all strange and stupid, not good at all.

They also seem to be fascinated with Leo, he is of Indian descent ( the other colony they ****ed up) and he is gay.

I suppose though those who support the UK from Ireland would ignore all the negative crap written about him for these two things.

cryptocurrency · 16-10-2019 12:01am

Ty Handsome Potassium wrote: »

Dunno what planet you're on. On my planet we are worried about brexit's impact on our economy, the local job market and peace in NI. Personally I was hoping for aggressive attempts to grab business from them back when the vote was carried - but that was apparently not viable or not polite or something. I'm a little aghast at the pernicious form of nationalism that seems to be emerging in Britain, and the hostility towards Ireland and Germany. It's all strange and stupid, not good at all.

NI is totally dependent on the UK, for jobs, trade and surplus funding. The need the least amount of barriers to trade there not to the south. Anything that makes the north different to the rest of the UK is royally screwing them.

s7ryf3925pivug · 16-10-2019 12:03am

cryptocurrency wrote: »

NI is totally dependent on the UK, for jobs, trade and surplus funding. The need the least amount of barriers to trade there not to the south. Anything that makes the north different to the rest of the UK is royally screwing them.

That's an interesting point but I don't know how it relates to my post that you quoted.

cryptocurrency · 16-10-2019 12:08am

Ty Handsome Potassium wrote: »

That's an interesting point but I don't know how it relates to my post that you quoted.

Well look at it from a UK perspective. If NI is to be taken off them under EU rules forever then they should say UK leaves as a whole or if NI is so important for to protect the EU land border and the UK can't get it back then it is best to dump it like a hot potato on the EU overnight. say "here, you have it then seening as you are so insistent"

If makes no economic sense to pump a single penny more into something like that.

By overnight, I mean overnight.

cryptocurrency · 16-10-2019 12:20am

€11.4 billion deficit to keep the lights on along with the proportion of the national debt of the UK.

Unicorn thinking the UK should keep paying for this lost land to the EU.

So losing the UK is said to be like losing 19 member states by how much they put in and then dump the deficit would well make it 35 plus.

If its barniers red line, and it can't be moved, they should toss it across the table and say "here, catch"

s7ryf3925pivug · 16-10-2019 12:27am

cryptocurrency wrote: »

€11.4 billion deficit to keep the lights on along with the proportion of the national debt of the UK.

Unicorn thinking the UK should keep paying for this lost land to the EU.

So losing the UK is said to be like losing 19 member states by how much they put in and then dump the deficit would well make it 35 plus.

If its barniers red line, and it can't be moved, they should toss it across the table and say "here, catch"

NI would have to apply for membership of the EU were it to become independent.

The UK need to make a trade deal which will mean aligning a lot of their policies with EU policy.

Padre_Pio · 16-10-2019 3:57am

cryptocurrency wrote: »

€11.4 billion deficit to keep the lights on along with the proportion of the national debt of the UK.

Unicorn thinking the UK should keep paying for this lost land to the EU.

So losing the UK is said to be like losing 19 member states by how much they put in and then dump the deficit would well make it 35 plus.

If its barniers red line, and it can't be moved, they should toss it across the table and say "here, catch"

The UK pay billions in fees to the EU, but also gain billions in grants from the EU.
They pay more than they benefit, but don't paint this as a one way street.

As published today, the UK is losing near half a billion pounds in EU science grants per year.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-costing-scientists-400m-a-year-in-grants-0lrc5r7wf

suicide_circus · 16-10-2019 5:58am

MrAbyss wrote: »

Civil servants have a vested interest in the EU as it provides endless junkets and career moves. That's hardly an unbiased opinion.

Bureaucrats support labyrinthine bureaucratic monolith shocker

cryptocurrency · 16-10-2019 7:20am

Padre_Pio wrote: »

The UK pay billions in fees to the EU, but also gain billions in grants from the EU.
They pay more than they benefit, but don't paint this as a one way street.

As published today, the UK is losing near half a billion pounds in EU science grants per year.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-costing-scientists-400m-a-year-in-grants-0lrc5r7wf

Seriously, will you stop with this. It's so annoying to read that people are so gullible.

The EU is not a good thing.

suicide_circus · 16-10-2019 7:36am

its kind of like a lotto syndicate at work

AndyBoBandy · 16-10-2019 7:42am

cryptocurrency wrote: »

The EU is not a good thing.

Can you back that statement up with an explanation?

In your own time.

16-10-2019 8:25am

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Seriously, will you stop with this. It's so annoying to read that people are so gullible.

The EU is not a good thing.

Is it good for Ireland?

Sleepy · 16-10-2019 12:00pm

Smug? No. Worried, and not just about the effect of their stupidity on our country.

Brexit will widen the wealth gap between the elite 1% (who likely stand to make money shorting UK companies) and rest of the UK in a country which already has a huge problem with inequality. The fallout from this might well end up making the London Riots of 2011 look like a group teenage tantrum (which arguably, they were). I'm not exaggerating when I say I can see history books of the future citing Brexit as the beginning of a British Civil War.

blackwhite · 16-10-2019 12:11pm

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Free Marketeers, the real cogs in the chain of any wealth in any economy, don't like the EU.

Free marketeers are in favour of exiting an open, free trading customs alliance, and instead want to move to heavily-tariffed restricted trade ??

The vast majority of UK business leaders were pro-Remain - not in favour of leave.

blueshade · 16-10-2019 12:33pm

Tell me how wrote: »

From a UK business website

Just playing Devil's Advocate here, but how many of those businesses are moving to countries with cheaper labour costs and cheaper operational costs? Like when Dell buggered off to Eastern Europe thinking they'd get much cheaper workers and making a lot of people working for them in Limerick unemployed? Brexit has been a great excuse for a lot of things for a lot of people. Hell, if it hadn't been for Brexit we'd have had a general election and gotten rid of the incompetent pigs in our own Dail by now.

Sleepy · 16-10-2019 12:51pm

blueshade wrote: »

Hell, if it hadn't been for Brexit we'd have had a general election and gotten rid of the incompetent pigs in our own Dail by now.

I love your optimism. We'd simply have different snouts in the trough.

blueshade · 16-10-2019 12:55pm

Sleepy wrote: »

I love your optimism. We'd simply have different snouts in the trough.

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not optimistic about Irish politicians, especially when so many voters will vote for someone simply because they've always voted for their families or will vote for the party regardless of performance because they've always voted for that party. FF/FG are 2 cheeks of the same backside. The others are bloody useless too. That's the problem.

Padre_Pio · 16-10-2019 1:20pm

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Seriously, will you stop with this. It's so annoying to read that people are so gullible.

The EU is not a good thing.

Gullible?

That's reality. The UK government will have to make up this shortfall, while at the same time paying their divorce bill. They're not going to save any money from Brexit.

Irish Smugness about Brexit?

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