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Rugby World Cup 2019 Hagibis Projected Path

  • 07-10-2019 2:21pm
    #1
    schmoo2k
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    As of 12:00 07 Oct (UTC)
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  • #2
    sydthebeat
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    really?? a dedicated thread to this????


  • #3
    schmoo2k
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    If Japan v Scotland game gets cancelled then we top the group (not that they will let that happen)? Plus it lets us point out when the media gets a bit sensational...


  • #4
    Anjobe
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    Track has been adjusted east since this morning. It now looks like its missing the Ireland game and heading straight for New Zealand vs Italy, and may affect England vs France as well!


  • #5
    Riskymove
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    in addition to the game we are flying into Fukuoka on Thursday evening

    but thankfully I think we'll be ok on both fronts with changing track...hopefully it holds


  • #6
    WeleaseWoderick
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    schmoo2k wrote: »
    If Japan v Scotland game gets cancelled then we top the group (not that they will let that happen)? Plus it lets us point out when the media gets a bit sensational...

    Actually, that would make it impossible for us to top the group. Japan would move to 16 points (getting 2 for a draw) and the most we can also get is 16. We'd come second based on the head to head.


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  • #7
    schmoo2k
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    WeleaseWoderick wrote: »
    Actually, that would make it impossible for us to top the group. Japan would move to 16 points (getting 2 for a draw) and the most we can also get is 16. We'd come second based on the head to head.

    Yes (thanks for the correction) - I retract my comment about "that will never happen" - Scotland could get screwed by this...


  • #8
    is_that_so
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    Anjobe wrote: »
    Track has been adjusted east since this morning. It now looks like its missing the Ireland game and heading straight for New Zealand vs Italy, and may affect England vs France as well!
    Italy would be delighted with a point!


  • #9
    Neil3030
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    If the typhoon gets its own thread, I want a thread for Fat Bear Week. :mad:


  • #10
    DOCARCH
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    For anyone interested, there is a new thread in the weather forum for this: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058021226


  • #11
    Riskymove
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    Looks like japan and Scotland are the ones worrying now

    And any F1 fans


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  • #12
    PukkaStukka
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    Riskymove wrote: »
    And any F1 fans

    Drat! I was checking the forecast for Suzuka yesterday and it showed some rain on Saturday, and Sunday was clear and dry


  • #13
    Bridge93
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    Surely the storm would be a god send for Japan? 2 points and top the group without having to play


  • #14
    Riskymove
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    Bridge93 wrote: »
    Surely the storm would be a god send for Japan? 2 points and top the group without having to play

    at this point world rugby have been vocal about their robust contingency plans. very difficult to not move or reschedule now unless serious impact on Japanese infrastructure/transport


  • #15
    hahashake
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    Bridge93 wrote: »
    Surely the storm would be a god send for Japan? 2 points and top the group without having to play

    Might want to do your calculations again.


  • #16
    ittakestwo
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    hahashake wrote: »
    Might want to do your calculations again.

    All Japan need is a draw to top the group?


  • #17
    sydthebeat
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    hahashake wrote: »
    Might want to do your calculations again.

    ??


  • #18
    Anjobe
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    hahashake wrote: »
    Might want to do your calculations again.

    Err, Japan are on 14pts, if their last game is cancelled they will have 16 pts. The best Ireland can do is 16 pts with a BP win over Samoa. If they are tied on points Japan will be pool winners on head to head.

    So, if Japan vs Scotland is cancelled that is great for Japan, Scotland are screwed, and Ireland are denied any chance of topping the pool.


  • #19
    schmoo2k
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    hahashake wrote: »
    Might want to do your calculations again.

    ...Japan will still top the group (even with the re-calc).


  • #20
    hahashake
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    My humble apologies fellas.:D

    I was wrong.


  • #21
    schmoo2k
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    Official statement re contingency plans:

    “Public and team safety is our number one priority. While we have robust contingency plans in place for pool matches, such plans, if required, will only be actioned if the safety of teams, fans, and workforce can be guaranteed. It would be inappropriate to comment on any contingency plans at this stage."

    If I was Scottish I would start to get worried...


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  • #22
    bennyl10
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    schmoo2k wrote: »
    Official statement re contingency plans:

    “Public and team safety is our number one priority. While we have robust contingency plans in place for pool matches, such plans, if required, will only be actioned if the safety of teams, fans, and workforce can be guaranteed. It would be inappropriate to comment on any contingency plans at this stage."

    If I was Scottish I would start to get worried...

    Press conference at 4pm today


  • #23
    schmoo2k
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    bennyl10 wrote: »
    Press conference at 4pm today

    Looking at latest data, the Scottish game should go ahead (it should have passed by then) - assuming the infrastructure is up and running...


  • #24
    Movementarian
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    Anjobe wrote: »
    Err, Japan are on 14pts, if their last game is cancelled they will have 16 pts. The best Ireland can do is 16 pts with a BP win over Samoa. If they are tied on points Japan will be pool winners on head to head.

    So, if Japan vs Scotland is cancelled that is great for Japan, Scotland are screwed, and Ireland are denied any chance of topping the pool.

    Even if we have a better points difference?


  • #25
    sydthebeat
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    Movementarian wrote: »
    Even if we have a better points difference?

    It goes head to head first, points difference second


  • #26
    Movementarian
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    It goes head to head first, points difference second

    Oh fair enough. That last minute TBP for Japan vs Samoa could end up giving them top spot.


  • #27
    sydthebeat
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    really?? a dedicated thread to this????

    I want to apologise for this post now.

    The typhoon is having a serious and lasting impact on the competition and in truth, will ruin it.


  • #28
    padser
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    I want to apologise for this post now.

    The typhoon is having a serious and lasting impact on the competition and in truth, will ruin it.

    Really, pool b finished NZL and SA, pool c finished Eng and then FR

    Realistically, no changes there from what would have happened if the games were played.

    Pool A, likely JPN and IRE, possible change with SCT missing out on second place and IRE on first.

    I've no sympathy for SCT given the stance Townsend took when it appeared his team might benefit from the hurricane and honestly IRE deserve second place rather than first.

    Hurricane will have no impact on QF and beyond.

    I'm not sure the competition is "ruined", although I do think its poor form not to have contingency plans by world rugby


  • #29
    sydthebeat
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    If you don't see the absoulute advantage of one team getting twice the rest period before a quarter final than the opposition, then I'm afraid you don't know the sport


  • #30
    guapos
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    padser wrote: »

    I've no sympathy for SCT given the stance Townsend took when it appeared his team might benefit from the hurricane and honestly IRE deserve second place rather than first.


    What did Townsend say? Any links?


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  • #31
    atticu
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    If you don't see the absoulute advantage of one team getting twice the rest period before a quarter final than the opposition, then I'm afraid you don't know the sport

    I was thinking this morning that this is going to be talked about for a long time.


  • #32
    Guy:Incognito
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    If you don't see the absoulute advantage of one team getting twice the rest period before a quarter final than the opposition, then I'm afraid you don't know the sport

    Plus England and France have different opponents in the quarters depending on how their game went.

    As do Wales and Australia obviously.


  • #33
    thelad95
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    As unlikely as it would have been, Italy could have gotten through to the QF with a win over NZ. The fact that they won't even have an attempt at doing so is completely against the spirit of any tournament and I think this will unfortunately go down as the worst rugby world cup of all time (RWCs are at best a damp squib anyway).

    The fact that there was zero contingency plan for re-scheduling games is a joke. I look at the European cup and they have on occasion played games behind closed doors to get them played off and I don't think anyone would have minded too much if the same had been done here in the interest of fairness.


  • #34
    artanevilla
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    England, France and New Zealand will get two weeks rest before quarters versus their opponents six days.

    It could end up knocking Scotland out.

    To say it doesn't really matter is wrong.


  • #35
    BattleCorp
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    No way should games be cancelled. They should be moved to safe locations.

    Cancelling games and awarding draws thereby taking matters out of certain team's hands and giving other teams the advantage of extra rest is very very unfair and has consequences all the way to the final.


  • #36
    Rockbeast2
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    I thought I had seen it all, that day I saw a woman walk a duck on a leash.

    No, current farce has surpassed even that.

    If Japan/Scotland game does not go ahead, I'll find it very hard to watch any further games in this tournament.


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  • #37
    steves2
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    I was really looking forward to the France England game, they've now deprived me of a quality game where I won't stress over the outcome. I think Wales and England will get to the semis now and we'll be up against it playing NZ in the quarters. I'm actually in shock that they've cancelled the games.


  • #38
    BonnieSituation
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    steves2 wrote: »
    I was really looking forward to the France England game, they've now deprived me of a quality game where I won't stress over the outcome. I think Wales and England will get to the semis now and we'll be up against it playing NZ in the quarters. I'm actually in shock that they've cancelled the games.

    Not to mention the injuries and suspensions that may have come from playing those games.

    It'll be an even bigger sham if our game goes ahead, we get some injuries and the game on Sunday gets cancelled.


  • #39
    Conchir
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    "It is difficult to know that we won't have the chance to play a match against one of the great teams," Parisse told reporters in Toyota City on Thursday.

    "If New Zealand needed four or five points against us it would not have been cancelled."

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.rte.ie/amp/1082289/

    As unlikely as that situation was, the cynic in me says he’s probably not wrong, which would highlight how unfair and wrong the decision to have no contingency plans in place really was.


  • #40
    kenmm
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    guapos wrote: »
    What did Townsend say? Any links?
    padser wrote: »

    I've no sympathy for SCT given the stance Townsend took when it appeared his team might benefit from the hurricane and honestly IRE deserve second place rather than first.



    Ye - what was said?


  • #41
    Sir Oxman
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    I'm not a huge rugby fan, but have a passing interest in the World Cup.

    There is everything wrong with awarding games like this in a WORLD finals and I can't believe that they are actual rules!

    Horrific weather?
    Postpone and/or move to somewhere safe, closed doors if needs be.

    This is really shocking to me.


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  • #42
    crisco10
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    thelad95 wrote: »

    The fact that there was zero contingency plan for re-scheduling games is a joke. I look at the European cup and they have on occasion played games behind closed doors to get them played off and I don't think anyone would have minded too much if the same had been done here in the interest of fairness.

    You mean like this one?

    https://www.the42.ie/champions-cup-clash-to-be-played-behind-closed-doors-today-3743335-Dec2017/

    If I remember correctly, that was done at short notice with very little "contingency" planning.

    Quite the farce if you ask me, it's pretty embarrassing. I spend a lot of time depending rugby to my GAA/Soccer loving friends, but there is no defense for this!
    I can't ever imagine the heats in the Olympics or even matches at the Fifa World Cup being cancelled as opposed to re-arranged.


  • #43
    steves2
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    If Scotlands game gets cancelled, this will be a World Cup they won't even acknowledge. Such a terrible way for things to be decided. But I think their game will go ahead, it'll be way too dodge if it doesn't.


  • #44
    lawrencesummers
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    Does anyone think it might be the right decision to cancel the games?

    Maybe just maybe the organisers weighted up the cost of refunding all the tickets, the negative publicity that will be generated versus the fact that people could die if the games went ahead and then decided for the lesser of two evils?

    Do people really think they haven’t considered moving the games or playing them behind closed doors and it’s just not feasible?


  • #45
    titan18
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    artanevilla wrote:
    England, France and New Zealand will get two weeks rest before quarters versus their opponents six days.


    Yup, as much as we're unlikely to beat NZ on current form, going up against them after 2 weeks rest when we have to play Samoa in that period is pretty ****e.


  • #46
    crisco10
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    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Does anyone think it might be the right decision to cancel the games?

    Maybe just maybe the organisers weighted up the cost of refunding all the tickets, the negative publicity that will be generated versus the fact that people could die if the games went ahead and then decided for the lesser of two evils?

    Do people really think they haven’t considered moving the games or playing them behind closed doors and it’s just not feasible?

    I don't think they did no. Cancelling the games 48+ hours out shows that to me. There was still all day Thursday and all day Friday to re-plan, re-position etc to an alternate location in a massive country. But they seem to have just gone ah, yeah, not bothered.


  • #47
    Cookiemunster
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    padser wrote: »

    I've no sympathy for SCT given the stance Townsend took when it appeared his team might benefit from the hurricane and honestly IRE deserve second place rather than first.
    guapos wrote: »
    What did Townsend say? Any links?
    kenmm wrote: »
    Ye - what was said?


    https://twitter.com/EoghanOsullie6/status/1182212665223122944


  • #48
    lawrencesummers
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    crisco10 wrote: »
    I don't think they did no. Cancelling the games 48+ hours out shows that to me. There was still all day Thursday and all day Friday to re-plan, re-position etc to an alternate location in a massive country. But they seem to have just gone ah, yeah, not bothered.




    That must be it so they never considered it.


  • #49
    lawrencesummers
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    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/EoghanOsullie6/status/1182212665223122944

    The Scots talk a great game about everything, but they are like a FF government and never deliver.


  • #50
    loyatemu
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    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Does anyone think it might be the right decision to cancel the games?

    Maybe just maybe the organisers weighted up the cost of refunding all the tickets, the negative publicity that will be generated versus the fact that people could die if the games went ahead and then decided for the lesser of two evils?

    Do people really think they haven’t considered moving the games or playing them behind closed doors and it’s just not feasible?

    how much organisation is required to find a pitch and get 2 teams on it? It doesn't need spectators, cameras, security - it wouldn't be ideal but it's still a lot better than just cancelling and marking them off as 0-0 draws.


  • #51
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    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/EoghanOsullie6/status/1182212665223122944

    Townsend would appear to have done himself and his team no favours with those comments. He has taken from Scotland's moral high ground in what appears to be an attempt to support the scuppering of Ireland's chances.

    Will have to see if there is a clip as there might be more context.


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